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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 01:28 AM

Progressive Jones (6,011 posts)

Just as the right is now using PeeWee Rittenhouse as a prop, the Left

can use him and his case as more evidence for the need for common sense gun legislation.

Also, never stop referring to him as a murderer. Regardless of what the jury decided,
and regardless of any "self defense" law, he murdered two people, and tried to murder a third.

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Just as the right is now using PeeWee Rittenhouse as a prop, the Left (Original post)	Progressive Jones	Nov 2021	OP
I'm still wondering	Monohull	Nov 2021	#1
We have heard that it's likely he'll now be facing federal charges	Rhiannon12866	Nov 2021	#2
Thanks.	Monohull	Nov 2021	#4
This is where I got this information, from Rep. Nadler:	Rhiannon12866	Nov 2021	#9
No. Experts have said that's far fetched.	WarGamer	Nov 2021	#6
I'm getting this from Rep. Nadler:	Rhiannon12866	Nov 2021	#8
I saw that... requesting a review IS NOT the same as expecting charges	WarGamer	Nov 2021	#11
And I'm kinda' biased re: Politicus... because it's not a legitimate source... :)	WarGamer	Nov 2021	#13
Thanks! I obviously like Rep. Nadler a lot, from long before his role on the impeachment committee	Rhiannon12866	Nov 2021	#19
No. Only the person who bought the gun and he's already been charged.	WarGamer	Nov 2021	#7
Takes 2 to tango.	Monohull	Nov 2021	#15
Because there's no such thing as a "Straw Gun" law..	WarGamer	Nov 2021	#17
He and his friend	Monohull	Nov 2021	#18
That's never been charged before.	WarGamer	Nov 2021	#20
Plenty	Monohull	Nov 2021	#21
One of my pet peeves. They use conspiracy law against black people like crazy. But with white people	Solomon	Nov 2021	#24
Stricter gun legislation wouldn't have mattered	Haggard Celine	Nov 2021	#3
I'm aware. I was talking about the effort to enact the kind of legislation	Progressive Jones	Nov 2021	#10
PeeWee Rittenhouse... lmao, I'm SOOO stealing that.	WarGamer	Nov 2021	#5
Steal away! He needs a nickname. nt	Progressive Jones	Nov 2021	#12
killer kyle or kyle the killer would be correct. he did admit doing it did he not? nt	msongs	Nov 2021	#14
I like it! nt	Progressive Jones	Nov 2021	#16
I think the RWers would like that	wnylib	Nov 2021	#23
It doesn't take a lot to see that racist freak	C Moon	Nov 2021	#22
I think in the long run he will pay for it. The rest of his life he will be living in	doc03	Nov 2021	#25

Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 01:40 AM

Monohull (52 posts)

1. I'm still wondering

why Rittenhouse has not been charged for his role in the illegal straw purchase.

That's a federal offense.

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Response to Monohull (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 01:48 AM

Rhiannon12866 (172,109 posts)

2. We have heard that it's likely he'll now be facing federal charges

Excellent question and welcome to DU!

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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 01:51 AM

Monohull (52 posts)

4. Thanks.

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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:02 AM

Rhiannon12866 (172,109 posts)

9. This is where I got this information, from Rep. Nadler:

Link to tweet

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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 01:55 AM

WarGamer (7,854 posts)

6. No. Experts have said that's far fetched.

At most he'll be facing Civil Suits from the victims.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:01 AM

Rhiannon12866 (172,109 posts)

8. I'm getting this from Rep. Nadler:

Link to tweet

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:03 AM

WarGamer (7,854 posts)

11. I saw that... requesting a review IS NOT the same as expecting charges

There are no Civil Rights charges that apply.

No Federal Crimes.

No second "bite of the apple" because people don't like the State verdict.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:06 AM

WarGamer (7,854 posts)

13. And I'm kinda' biased re: Politicus... because it's not a legitimate source... :)

here's a great summary by experts from Stanford:

https://law.stanford.edu/2021/11/19/stanford-criminal-law-experts-david-alan-sklansky-and-robert-weisberg-on-the-kyle-rittenhouse-aquittal/

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:20 AM

Rhiannon12866 (172,109 posts)

19. Thanks! I obviously like Rep. Nadler a lot, from long before his role on the impeachment committee

Back when Al Franken had his Air America radio show (which I used to watch nights on Sundance TV), Nadler was his Rep. and he used to be a frequent guest.

Thanks for the article. Like everyone else here, I find this acquittal completely unacceptable. The kid crossed state lines with an automatic weapon and shot two people to death!

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Response to Monohull (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 01:55 AM

WarGamer (7,854 posts)

7. No. Only the person who bought the gun and he's already been charged.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:12 AM

Monohull (52 posts)

15. Takes 2 to tango.

I don't see why he can not be charged with conspiring to break federal straw purchase law.

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Response to Monohull (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:15 AM

WarGamer (7,854 posts)

17. Because there's no such thing as a "Straw Gun" law..

It's called lying on your form 4473 which is filled out by the buyer.

This is basic stuff... don't like the laws then change them.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:19 AM

Monohull (52 posts)

18. He and his friend

conspired to lie on form 4473.
That's conspiracy to violate federal law.

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Response to Monohull (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:23 AM

WarGamer (7,854 posts)

20. That's never been charged before.

Without precedent how do you think that'd fly in Court?

Like the President said, get over it, the Jury has spoken.

I personally urge all to push their State Legislatures to change laws to cut down on this kind of thing happening again.

This wouldn't have happened in California.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:26 AM

Monohull (52 posts)

21. Plenty

of people have been charged, convicted and put in prison for conspiracy.

The law is already there.

He conspired to violate federal law.

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Response to Monohull (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 07:03 AM

Solomon (12,067 posts)

24. One of my pet peeves. They use conspiracy law against black people like crazy. But with white people

it's usually just get the one who did it.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 01:49 AM

Haggard Celine (16,172 posts)

3. Stricter gun legislation wouldn't have mattered

in the Rittenhouse case. A friend of Kyle's bought the gun legally, then gave it to Kyle. No gun laws would have kept the friend from giving Kyle the weapon. He didn't care about the law when he gave the gun to him. Besides, the friend is being charged for for doing it, I've read recently. He could get up to 25 years, the article said. You can't prevent law breakers from ignoring laws; all you can do is punish them for doing it.

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Response to Haggard Celine (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:03 AM

Progressive Jones (6,011 posts)

10. I'm aware. I was talking about the effort to enact the kind of legislation

that's been desired for decades.

At some point there has to be changes in the availability of firearms.

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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 01:53 AM

WarGamer (7,854 posts)

5. PeeWee Rittenhouse... lmao, I'm SOOO stealing that.

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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:05 AM

Progressive Jones (6,011 posts)

12. Steal away! He needs a nickname. nt

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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:09 AM

msongs (65,211 posts)

14. killer kyle or kyle the killer would be correct. he did admit doing it did he not? nt

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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:13 AM

Progressive Jones (6,011 posts)

16. I like it! nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:55 AM

wnylib (16,574 posts)

23. I think the RWers would like that

nickname. They would think that it makes him a tough guy, a lib killer.

It has a good alliterative sound, but the word "murderer" is more specific and accurate.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:50 AM

C Moon (11,216 posts)

22. It doesn't take a lot to see that racist freak

kneeling in the street and shooting an assault rifle at unarmed people to know he is a cold blooded murderer. You know. I know it. The defense knows it. The judge knows it.

Racism is alive and killing. That’s all that is going on here: a modern version of “hanging them from the nearest tree.”

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 08:12 AM

doc03 (32,776 posts)

25. I think in the long run he will pay for it. The rest of his life he will be living in

fear that a family member of the victims or someone else will catch him somewhere with no witnesses.
I think he will be getting verbally assaulted in public, getting his ass kicked and maybe worse the rest
of his sorry life. He can't hide behind MAGAts, Proud Boys and Tucker forever.

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