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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 11:47 AM Nov 2021

A lot is being made of polls showing support for stricter gun laws is at a 10 year low.

Can we look at this in context?

57%, a clear majority, want stricter laws on guns and gun ownership.
34% say, 'Meh, just leave them alone we have other priorities.'
A whopping 9% think the laws should be less strict. 9%!1!1!!

Doesn't take much to get gunners all aroused, does it?
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A lot is being made of polls showing support for stricter gun laws is at a 10 year low. (Original Post) AndyS Nov 2021 OP
He is how you should look at poll results regardless of the results nycbos Nov 2021 #1
Thanks for the facts and context. Hoyt Nov 2021 #2
Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #3
Stricter Gun Laws? SoCalDavidS Nov 2021 #4
Instead of "Lenient", we should call them "Liberal" maxsolomon Nov 2021 #6
That's An Interesting Idea SoCalDavidS Nov 2021 #7
Gun humpers are masters of dishonesty and misdirection. It's in their nature. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #5
I dont think we're as serious Busterscruggs Nov 2021 #8
It bounces around in a narrow range hack89 Nov 2021 #9
The context also shows that support for gun control was once 70+% SYFROYH Nov 2021 #10
Yeah, it's amazing how a small group of fanatics can bully politicians into ignoring the AndyS Nov 2021 #13
A political scientist once told me there isn't a correlation between public opinion and new laws. SYFROYH Nov 2021 #15
First off, it is not a huge majority hack89 Nov 2021 #17
That's funny, the last I looked 57% was a much bigger majority than 9%. Like more than 5 times AndyS Nov 2021 #18
Show me the distribution hack89 Nov 2021 #21
nope AndyS Nov 2021 #23
It has everything to do with the Senate hack89 Nov 2021 #25
Then explain why 2/3 of Texans were over ruled by a hand full of gun nuts. AndyS Nov 2021 #27
One state vs 50 states hack89 Nov 2021 #28
. AndyS Nov 2021 #30
You ran away from your OP hack89 Nov 2021 #32
Not in EVERY state. Just most of them. AndyS Nov 2021 #34
Now prove that a majority of people in a majority of states support gun control hack89 Nov 2021 #35
I've seen support for gun control described as being like a wide but shallow river. That is, Dial H For Hero Nov 2021 #31
Gun control should have been included in the infrastructure bill fescuerescue Nov 2021 #11
Gun Control would have been a poison pill for the Infrastructure Bill PBC_Democrat Nov 2021 #12
There is a line item for gun violence prevention at the local level. AndyS Nov 2021 #14
That support is misleading hack89 Nov 2021 #16
Not really. Take Texas and the 'constitutional carry' (it's not) law. AndyS Nov 2021 #19
At the national level gun control dies in the Senate hack89 Nov 2021 #22
What part of the Texas post did you not understand? nt AndyS Nov 2021 #24
Your OP is a national poll so what does Texas have to do with anything? hack89 Nov 2021 #26
I surrender to your obviously superior intellect. AndyS Nov 2021 #29
We can't have them because of the Senate. Basic civics. Nt hack89 Nov 2021 #33
The problem isn't so much but gun owners. PufPuf23 Nov 2021 #20
Yeah but the ones who vote are the pro-gun crowd Polybius Nov 2021 #36

Response to AndyS (Original post)

SoCalDavidS

(9,999 posts)
4. Stricter Gun Laws?
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 12:11 PM
Nov 2021

Don't make me laugh!

That ship has sailed.

If anything, we have to hope the gun laws don't become more lenient. That's the direction America is headed.

But gun violence and the proliferation of weapons, is essentially an American tradition. We need to accept that.

The Great country that is America. LOL.

SoCalDavidS

(9,999 posts)
7. That's An Interesting Idea
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 01:23 PM
Nov 2021

Perhaps if Biden came out with a program to give every American a free AR-15, gun owners might actually believe he's not coming for their guns.

Oh.....who the fuck am I kidding. LOL.

 

Busterscruggs

(448 posts)
8. I dont think we're as serious
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 01:58 PM
Nov 2021

As we should be about gun regulation. Any ideas about eliminating the problem are met with mockery and derision. Nobody needs to have a gun, that's why we have police in the first place.

SYFROYH

(34,195 posts)
10. The context also shows that support for gun control was once 70+%
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 02:20 PM
Nov 2021

Gun control advocates have lost significant support ever since the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. If we stopped talking about gun bans, better yet declared no more federal gun bans, we could probably get some things done.

And it's not just in red states as the trends allowing the carrying of firearms in public shows.


Context indeed.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
13. Yeah, it's amazing how a small group of fanatics can bully politicians into ignoring the
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 04:27 PM
Nov 2021

huge majority of their constituents.

SYFROYH

(34,195 posts)
15. A political scientist once told me there isn't a correlation between public opinion and new laws.
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 07:29 PM
Nov 2021

Sadly

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. First off, it is not a huge majority
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 08:35 PM
Nov 2021

Secondly, that support is not evenly distributed. There are more pro gun states than gun control states. CA and NY skew things.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
18. That's funny, the last I looked 57% was a much bigger majority than 9%. Like more than 5 times
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 08:41 PM
Nov 2021

bigger. Maybe gunner math is different?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
21. Show me the distribution
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 08:59 PM
Nov 2021

Hillary had millions more votes than Trump yet she was not elected. See the parallel?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
25. It has everything to do with the Senate
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:14 PM
Nov 2021

That is why your OP is meaningless. All the no votes in Wyoming and Montana cancel out the tens of millions more yes votes in California and NY. Basic civics.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
27. Then explain why 2/3 of Texans were over ruled by a hand full of gun nuts.
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:19 PM
Nov 2021

Nothing to do with the US senate or civics. Just bullying and intimidation.

The same way Republicans keep winning in Texas.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
28. One state vs 50 states
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:35 PM
Nov 2021

Show why what happened once in Texas has anything to do with the absolute failure of gun control in America.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
32. You ran away from your OP
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:50 PM
Nov 2021

You posted a national poll yet all you are arguing is a single incident in Texas. Instead of banging your head, why not simply explain what that single law in Texas has to do with your OP. Surely you are not arguing that what happened there has happened exactly the same way in every state. Really?

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
34. Not in EVERY state. Just most of them.
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:55 PM
Nov 2021

I have been doing this for 40+ years and I finally have an analogy for 'discussing' gun issues w gunners. It's just like arguing with anti vaxxers.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
35. Now prove that a majority of people in a majority of states support gun control
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:59 PM
Nov 2021

With 40 years of experience you should have all the facts at your fingertips.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
31. I've seen support for gun control described as being like a wide but shallow river. That is,
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:48 PM
Nov 2021

a mile wide and a foot deep. While a majority of Americans will, when polled, express support for many gun control policies, instituting such laws doesn’t rank very high among their concerns (activists aside).

In contrast, gun enthusiasts are much more likely to rank gun politics as one of their most important issues. When acted upon, such beliefs give them political influence out of proportion to their numbers.

fescuerescue

(4,461 posts)
11. Gun control should have been included in the infrastructure bill
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 03:17 PM
Nov 2021

With this sort of support it would be a slam dunk.

PBC_Democrat

(401 posts)
12. Gun Control would have been a poison pill for the Infrastructure Bill
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 03:43 PM
Nov 2021

It would have eliminated the Republican support.

Also gun control is very much an urban vs rural issue.

My guess is that polls much higher in the cities and much lower in the suburbs.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
16. That support is misleading
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 08:31 PM
Nov 2021

It is how it is distributed that matters. Let’s not forget that Hillary got millions more votes than Trump. His were distributed better.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
19. Not really. Take Texas and the 'constitutional carry' (it's not) law.
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 08:45 PM
Nov 2021

More than 67% of voters polled disapproved of the bill yet it passed because a small group of Gun Owners of Texas camped out in legislator's offices. Like I said upthread, a small group of vocal fanatics can bully legislators.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
22. At the national level gun control dies in the Senate
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:03 PM
Nov 2021

Because Wyoming and Montana have exactly the same number of Senators as NY and California. That's why your OP is meaningless. It completely ignores the political reality that has lead to a golden age of gun rights.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
26. Your OP is a national poll so what does Texas have to do with anything?
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:17 PM
Nov 2021

You have not shown what happened in Texas has any relevance to the other 49 states.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
29. I surrender to your obviously superior intellect.
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:36 PM
Nov 2021

Still, a majority of Americans want stricter gun laws but can't have them largely because of gun lobby $.

A majority of Texans did not want unregulated carry yet had it forced on them by a few fanatics.

You blame it all on the US Senate yet the US Senate had nothing to do with Texas' 'constitutional carry'.

I do however agree that the whole senate is a clusterfuck and very much like a national gerrymander where a small minority claims outsized power and I see you agree with me in that if the People had their way there would be fewer guns which are much harder to purchase.

PufPuf23

(8,980 posts)
20. The problem isn't so much but gun owners.
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 08:53 PM
Nov 2021

Too many people that think guns make them bad ass or more innocently believe that carrying a gun (except in extremely rare cases) makes them safer.

Far too many guns in circulation that have no true purpose (hunting, sport, actual security).

Polybius

(16,339 posts)
36. Yeah but the ones who vote are the pro-gun crowd
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 10:18 PM
Nov 2021

Many who support more gun-control either don't vote or don't really consider it to be an important issue.

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