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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA lot is being made of polls showing support for stricter gun laws is at a 10 year low.
Can we look at this in context?57%, a clear majority, want stricter laws on guns and gun ownership.
34% say, 'Meh, just leave them alone we have other priorities.'
A whopping 9% think the laws should be less strict. 9%!1!1!!
Doesn't take much to get gunners all aroused, does it?
nycbos
(6,277 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Response to AndyS (Original post)
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SoCalDavidS
(9,999 posts)Don't make me laugh!
That ship has sailed.
If anything, we have to hope the gun laws don't become more lenient. That's the direction America is headed.
But gun violence and the proliferation of weapons, is essentially an American tradition. We need to accept that.
The Great country that is America. LOL.
maxsolomon
(34,894 posts)then Gunners wouldn't be for them.
SoCalDavidS
(9,999 posts)Perhaps if Biden came out with a program to give every American a free AR-15, gun owners might actually believe he's not coming for their guns.
Oh.....who the fuck am I kidding. LOL.
Scrivener7
(52,315 posts)Busterscruggs
(448 posts)As we should be about gun regulation. Any ideas about eliminating the problem are met with mockery and derision. Nobody needs to have a gun, that's why we have police in the first place.
hack89
(39,179 posts)Nothing really changes.
SYFROYH
(34,201 posts)Gun control advocates have lost significant support ever since the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. If we stopped talking about gun bans, better yet declared no more federal gun bans, we could probably get some things done.
And it's not just in red states as the trends allowing the carrying of firearms in public shows.
Context indeed.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)huge majority of their constituents.
SYFROYH
(34,201 posts)Sadly
hack89
(39,179 posts)Secondly, that support is not evenly distributed. There are more pro gun states than gun control states. CA and NY skew things.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)bigger. Maybe gunner math is different?
hack89
(39,179 posts)Hillary had millions more votes than Trump yet she was not elected. See the parallel?
hack89
(39,179 posts)That is why your OP is meaningless. All the no votes in Wyoming and Montana cancel out the tens of millions more yes votes in California and NY. Basic civics.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)Nothing to do with the US senate or civics. Just bullying and intimidation.
The same way Republicans keep winning in Texas.
hack89
(39,179 posts)Show why what happened once in Texas has anything to do with the absolute failure of gun control in America.
hack89
(39,179 posts)You posted a national poll yet all you are arguing is a single incident in Texas. Instead of banging your head, why not simply explain what that single law in Texas has to do with your OP. Surely you are not arguing that what happened there has happened exactly the same way in every state. Really?
AndyS
(14,559 posts)I have been doing this for 40+ years and I finally have an analogy for 'discussing' gun issues w gunners. It's just like arguing with anti vaxxers.
hack89
(39,179 posts)With 40 years of experience you should have all the facts at your fingertips.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)a mile wide and a foot deep. While a majority of Americans will, when polled, express support for many gun control policies, instituting such laws doesnt rank very high among their concerns (activists aside).
In contrast, gun enthusiasts are much more likely to rank gun politics as one of their most important issues. When acted upon, such beliefs give them political influence out of proportion to their numbers.
fescuerescue
(4,465 posts)With this sort of support it would be a slam dunk.
PBC_Democrat
(401 posts)It would have eliminated the Republican support.
Also gun control is very much an urban vs rural issue.
My guess is that polls much higher in the cities and much lower in the suburbs.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)$5 billion!
hack89
(39,179 posts)It is how it is distributed that matters. Lets not forget that Hillary got millions more votes than Trump. His were distributed better.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)More than 67% of voters polled disapproved of the bill yet it passed because a small group of Gun Owners of Texas camped out in legislator's offices. Like I said upthread, a small group of vocal fanatics can bully legislators.
hack89
(39,179 posts)Because Wyoming and Montana have exactly the same number of Senators as NY and California. That's why your OP is meaningless. It completely ignores the political reality that has lead to a golden age of gun rights.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)hack89
(39,179 posts)You have not shown what happened in Texas has any relevance to the other 49 states.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)Still, a majority of Americans want stricter gun laws but can't have them largely because of gun lobby $.
A majority of Texans did not want unregulated carry yet had it forced on them by a few fanatics.
You blame it all on the US Senate yet the US Senate had nothing to do with Texas' 'constitutional carry'.
I do however agree that the whole senate is a clusterfuck and very much like a national gerrymander where a small minority claims outsized power and I see you agree with me in that if the People had their way there would be fewer guns which are much harder to purchase.
hack89
(39,179 posts)PufPuf23
(9,233 posts)Too many people that think guns make them bad ass or more innocently believe that carrying a gun (except in extremely rare cases) makes them safer.
Far too many guns in circulation that have no true purpose (hunting, sport, actual security).
Polybius
(17,262 posts)Many who support more gun-control either don't vote or don't really consider it to be an important issue.