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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(119,983 posts)
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 03:03 PM Nov 2021

House Republican comes out and says it: Forcing tax cheats to pay up would 'cost' them billions

Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace, inflicted on us by the state of South Carolina, has been running a bold new online ad condemning Democratic plans to boost funding for the Internal Revenue Service. Why, you might ask?

"Biden's policy will double the size of the IRS at the cost of billions of dollars in unpaid taxes. We should stabilize our nation's economy first."




While @z3dster has done us the solid of parsing out what the hell Mace's word shrapnel was meant to actually mean, it's still worth stewing on that odd language. "At the cost of billions of dollars in unpaid taxes?" At the ... cost? But going after tax cheats is widely recognized as being a net federal win, because just a little money allocated to investigating the most prolific tax-dodgers results in much larger revenues when the dodged taxes actually get paid, so—ooh. Ooooooh.

Right.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/29/2066671/-Rep-Nancy-Mace-opposes-IRS-reform-because-it-would-cost-tax-cheats-billions-of-dollars
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House Republican comes out and says it: Forcing tax cheats to pay up would 'cost' them billions (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2021 OP
They're lucky the IRS isn't throwing no_hypocrisy Nov 2021 #1
Just another CONjobber. calimary Nov 2021 #2
That's her story for fox propaganda channel Leith Nov 2021 #3
Tax cheats like retired grandmothers selling candles at the Farmer's Market? WarGamer Nov 2021 #11
Fair enough TxGuitar Nov 2021 #13
It's right there in the BBB Bill... new reporting for nearly EVERY bank account in the USA. WarGamer Nov 2021 #14
So Republicans are accomplices to a tax evasion scheme? Baitball Blogger Nov 2021 #4
All the rich people need to call the tax service that advertises on all the conservative media. Midnight Writer Nov 2021 #5
If we don't very publicly combat this crap Bayard Nov 2021 #6
Sounds like she might be a tax cheat IronLionZion Nov 2021 #7
I just wish the IRS would start from the top and work down to get the 1% first. nt mitch96 Nov 2021 #8
I call it millions for billions. Historic NY Nov 2021 #9
It's BAD politics. WarGamer Nov 2021 #10
No, the IRS goes after lower income taxpayers NOW, because they don't have the funds or personnel 70sEraVet Nov 2021 #15
Good article but doesn't change what I said. WarGamer Nov 2021 #16
The article takes care to address the concerns of people like yourself; 70sEraVet Nov 2021 #17
That's a clarification of a VERY poor policy proposal. WarGamer Nov 2021 #18
I can hear those wealthy Republican donors now, calling their Representatives 70sEraVet Nov 2021 #12

Leith

(7,858 posts)
3. That's her story for fox propaganda channel
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 03:18 PM
Nov 2021
What is she going to say to CNN?

Forcing tax cheats to pay up is what is needed to stabilize the economy.

WarGamer

(16,579 posts)
11. Tax cheats like retired grandmothers selling candles at the Farmer's Market?
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 05:57 PM
Nov 2021

That's who is targeted looking at ALL accounts with 10k+ in annual flow.

Bad politics.

TxGuitar

(4,292 posts)
13. Fair enough
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:07 PM
Nov 2021

but under our tax laws should they be paying taxes? No matter what we say. The issue is whether the grandmas are investigated or prosecuted as diligently as the millionaires/billionaires/corporations.
Although if their income is under 10K I doubt they'd have to do anything but report.

WarGamer

(16,579 posts)
14. It's right there in the BBB Bill... new reporting for nearly EVERY bank account in the USA.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:18 PM
Nov 2021

Very VERY bad politics.

And I'd rather let low income people "get away" with not paying $800 in taxes than have the GOP use this in their ads.

WHY can't they just announce new reporting requirements for those at 400k+???

That way, the American people would see the Gov't FINALLY trying to even the playing field for the "downtrodden" folks.

The Headlines should have read:

"Democratic Bill Doubles IRS Funding to ensure that the wealthy pay their fair share"

Baitball Blogger

(49,491 posts)
4. So Republicans are accomplices to a tax evasion scheme?
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 03:36 PM
Nov 2021

Appears they’re admitting to being accomplices.

Midnight Writer

(23,494 posts)
5. All the rich people need to call the tax service that advertises on all the conservative media.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 04:07 PM
Nov 2021

They claim they can make all the taxes go away, like a miracle.

Bayard

(24,441 posts)
6. If we don't very publicly combat this crap
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 04:21 PM
Nov 2021

And all the rest of it, rethugs repeat it often enough that it becomes fact.

IronLionZion

(48,013 posts)
7. Sounds like she might be a tax cheat
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 05:35 PM
Nov 2021

or is very concerned it might cost wealthy criminals to pay for their crimes. Hmm...

WarGamer

(16,579 posts)
10. It's BAD politics.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 05:56 PM
Nov 2021

They want to go after lower income Americans.

Will be used in many mid-term ads.

Very bad optics.

They SHOULD have stated that they want IRS funding doubled to pay closer attention to those making 400k+

70sEraVet

(4,388 posts)
15. No, the IRS goes after lower income taxpayers NOW, because they don't have the funds or personnel
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:22 PM
Nov 2021

to audit the more complicated tax returns of higher income earners and corporations.
Any "bad optics" will come from the false comments of the RW who want to PROTECT the tax cheats!
Good article here
https://americanprogress.org/article/4-facts-disprove-opponents-claims-bidens-tax-compliance-proposal/

WarGamer

(16,579 posts)
16. Good article but doesn't change what I said.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:32 PM
Nov 2021

BAD OPTICS.

"Increased IRS attention to the bank accounts of nearly ALL Americans" called for in the BBB Bill.

This is a fact. I want everyone to pay their fair share. But for God's sake, if you want to LOSE an election please proceed.

70sEraVet

(4,388 posts)
17. The article takes care to address the concerns of people like yourself;
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:49 PM
Nov 2021

"The updated proposal would not require reporting for accounts that have less than $10,000 of inflows or outflows. More significantly, paychecks and government payments such as Social Security—and the amount of outflows equivalent to those paychecks and payments received—would not count toward the $10,000, exempting most Americans whose income is already reported annually on other IRS forms and targeting the proposal toward more opaque forms of income.

With basic information on account flows, the IRS will be able to select audits more efficiently—which means that people who are cheating are more likely to get caught, while ordinary, honest taxpayers will face fewer unnecessary audits."

WarGamer

(16,579 posts)
18. That's a clarification of a VERY poor policy proposal.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:39 PM
Nov 2021

It's a bad idea, period.

Like I said... people who do odd jobs like walking dogs, selling things at the Farmer's Market, Fiverr, stuff like that... will face new scrutiny and it will be in campaign ads.

I hope it doesn't survive the final language of the Bill because it's idiotic.

So excited to chase low income people but piss their pants when thinking of taxing the rich.

70sEraVet

(4,388 posts)
12. I can hear those wealthy Republican donors now, calling their Representatives
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:01 PM
Nov 2021

"The IRS is going to be investigating ME for tax fraud???? What am I paying YOU for!!"

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