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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:11 PM Dec 2021

I have a couple of questions.

“The response [in Oxford] was executed perfectly, yet four children were killed and multiple injuries occurred,” said the Oakland County prosecutor leading the criminal case. “We really can’t train ourselves out of this tragedy.”


“A 13-year-old kid, doesn’t weigh but about 80 pounds, was able to make a weapon from start to finish. At 13 years old.”
— Tim Pounds, sheriff of Douglas County, Georgia, after a 13-year-old boy fatally shot his 14-year-old sister with a ghost gun assembled with parts he bought online, in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.


In a country where there are more guns than people is there nothing more we can do?

If violence and death are the price of freedom, why is it that only the innocents pay it?

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I have a couple of questions. (Original Post) AndyS Dec 2021 OP
Those are tough questions--maybe unanswerable ones. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2021 #1
Parenting licenses Pantagruel Dec 2021 #3
Because every right comes with limitations/restrictions. Claustrum Dec 2021 #2
There is nothing else we can do until the average gun owner demands sensible gun control. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #4
The Bill of Rights has fundamental rights that are often in conflict bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #5

CaliforniaPeggy

(150,674 posts)
1. Those are tough questions--maybe unanswerable ones.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:16 PM
Dec 2021

I have a question too: Where were the parents?

And how do we go about finding answers?

Claustrum

(4,889 posts)
2. Because every right comes with limitations/restrictions.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:17 PM
Dec 2021

But somehow, gun nuts believes it is the only exception and any gun restriction is inherently not acceptable.

We have the right to live and breathe but that right doesn't allow us to go rob/kill someone else no matter what the circumstance is.

But somehow, it is a big no no to restrict even the most basics with guns. You can't ban semi-automatic that's meant to be used in wars. Even if that ban would allow people to use it in gun ranges or apply for incense so we can track and put some responsibility on the owner.

Scrivener7

(51,394 posts)
4. There is nothing else we can do until the average gun owner demands sensible gun control.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:42 PM
Dec 2021

So far, they are continuing to demand that their hobby should be unfettered by any rules, and continuing to insist that their hobby warrants thousands dying every year.

It's on their heads.

(Cue the humper saying, "I didn't do anything wrong! I don't deserve to be spoken about like that!" But, sweetie, you do. This is on your head.)

bucolic_frolic

(44,633 posts)
5. The Bill of Rights has fundamental rights that are often in conflict
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:43 PM
Dec 2021

SCOTUS rules on such conflicts. It has been led astray. Guns are now the primary right.

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