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Quixote1818

(28,983 posts)
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 10:45 PM Dec 2021

Mom fired & her son charged with assault after they called cops on black TN parking garage attendant


The original story was posted here last week but I hadn't seen anything about the charges and her getting fired.

Daily Mail
By ADAM MANNO FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 17:08 EST, 7 December 2021 | UPDATED: 04:14 EST, 8 December 2021


White UBS banker mom is fired and her son is charged with assault after they confronted and called cops on black Tennessee parking garage attendant who was checking car permits in their building

Edward Brennan, 27, was served with a warrant by Nashville police last week
He was filmed lunging at Johnny Martinez, who was checking permits on cars at Brennan's building last month
Edward's mom Bitsy called the cops on Martinez, but left before they arrived
She is 'no longer employed' at her job at a UBS wealth management group

A white man has been charged with assault and his mother has been fired from her high-paying banking job after they called the police on a parking attendant at their Nashville apartment complex and tried to physically assault him in a filmed altercation that has since gone viral.

Edward Brennan, 27, was served with an arrest warrant last week after he allegedly took a swing at Johnny Martinez, who was checking cars for permits at the residential parking garage on November 27.

'This is a secure building,' said Bitsy Brennan, Edward's mother.



More: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10285431/White-man-charged-assault-mom-confront-black-Tennessee-parking-garage-employee.html
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Mom fired & her son charged with assault after they called cops on black TN parking garage attendant (Original Post) Quixote1818 Dec 2021 OP
Good. musette_sf Dec 2021 #1
The hoodie should say THE METH FACE 💀 TheBlackAdder Dec 2021 #27
Bitsy? Seriously, Bitsy? CanonRay Dec 2021 #2
Yeah, that's what my cousin, Bitsy, thinks. TomSlick Dec 2021 #13
No, we con't have choices about what our parents named us, BUT soldierant Dec 2021 #26
My name changed when I joined the USAF. MineralMan Dec 2021 #44
I have always been known by my middle name, until I went in the Army. TomSlick Dec 2021 #67
I don't agree with your characterization of how names were used in that movie. NNadir Dec 2021 #86
I thought it showed how soldierant Dec 2021 #109
Bitsy is her nickname, not her real name. yardwork Dec 2021 #33
*snort* 😏 dixiechiken1 Dec 2021 #18
Perhaps it is sort of an homage to the Lil' Bit character in the play, How I Learned to Drive. TheBlackAdder Dec 2021 #28
That is not an unusual nickname for someone named Elizabeth obamanut2012 Dec 2021 #50
I'm thinking it might be "Betsy" in a Southern drawl. nt Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #70
LOL! Got 'em! PTWB Dec 2021 #3
Good job y'all. nt miyazaki Dec 2021 #4
Her income is going to be itsy Bitsy. CentralMass Dec 2021 #5
LOL! Scottie Mom Dec 2021 #61
Good news tonight Deuxcents Dec 2021 #6
Good Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #7
Just wow. They certainly look like the are cut from the same cloth as the family of the recent high captain queeg Dec 2021 #8
After the video was posted on YouTube, showing rsdsharp Dec 2021 #9
That was a pretty disgusting move. So glad he is being charged now. nt Quixote1818 Dec 2021 #10
I could watch that all day. Voltaire2 Dec 2021 #37
The racism is staggering. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #11
Ditto. n/t iluvtennis Dec 2021 #23
Exactly. I guarantee you my first reaction to someone like him doing his thing would be to smile Quixote1818 Dec 2021 #24
And even worse, he was wearing an ID that identified his job. yardwork Dec 2021 #34
It's also because whites generally view the laws radius777 Dec 2021 #57
Irony... ruet Dec 2021 #40
Aww Bitsy, you effed around and found out tulipsandroses Dec 2021 #12
What, if ANYthing, did 27YO Edward do for a living? Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2021 #14
For sure is wasn't MMA. rsdsharp Dec 2021 #21
Professional mooch methinks. canuckledragger Dec 2021 #22
The itsy bitsy spider sheshe2 Dec 2021 #15
Hey Bitsy nice purse NBachers Dec 2021 #16
I do that for a living TrogL Dec 2021 #17
When they asked what you were doing, did you say, questionseverything Dec 2021 #94
"Writing tickets" TrogL Dec 2021 #96
That's the difference, you explained yourself questionseverything Dec 2021 #97
There is a TV show called Parking Wars left-of-center2012 Dec 2021 #19
Memo to Karen: AverageOldGuy Dec 2021 #20
Probably a knock-off...... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #29
If she really had class... Pinback Dec 2021 #43
Now THAT'S class! SergeStorms Dec 2021 #55
Oh man... Pinback Dec 2021 #59
Mel is a national treasure. SergeStorms Dec 2021 #68
My exact thought. Scottie Mom Dec 2021 #64
Hello 911 ? I am a wealthy white woman who doesn't think I should ever see black faces in luckone Dec 2021 #25
Bingo! And you're right, it's exactly what happened to Ahmed Arbury. yardwork Dec 2021 #35
I'm Good With That Version! ProfessorGAC Dec 2021 #54
why do women buy those hideous bags Skittles Dec 2021 #30
"I have too much money. See?" Iggo Dec 2021 #89
every time I see one I wonder how vapid and vain these women are Skittles Dec 2021 #104
I know! It's kinda like a twist on the emperor's new clothes... Iggo Dec 2021 #105
Wondered what happened KT2000 Dec 2021 #31
You gotta teach em onethatcares Dec 2021 #32
Good. Voltaire2 Dec 2021 #36
Good malaise Dec 2021 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Dec 2021 #39
Good for the assault charges. Martinez is obviously a decent, sensible, Hortensis Dec 2021 #41
TY for that extra Cha Dec 2021 #91
HAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLHAAHAHAHA MagickMuffin Dec 2021 #42
Heh, Notek Dec 2021 #45
So We Will Be Fired RobinA Dec 2021 #46
If your 27 year old son attempts to assault the person during the altercation as in this case CentralMass Dec 2021 #47
She was basically an accomplice to a crime. Her son attacked him and she failed to mention Quixote1818 Dec 2021 #48
No. Torchlight Dec 2021 #49
He never provided id....he repeatedly said it was none of their business questionseverything Dec 2021 #60
He was wearing his business ID. yardwork Dec 2021 #65
All I can see from the video is something hanging around his neck not what it says questionseverything Dec 2021 #66
He's not required to answer questions. Kaleva Dec 2021 #71
Ok but it would of saved a lot of time and trouble questionseverything Dec 2021 #75
Remind me, who confronted who? 11 Bravo Dec 2021 #98
We don't actually see the beginning of the exchange questionseverything Dec 2021 #99
Yeah, I'm relatively sure that the guy who was just doing his job didn't ... 11 Bravo Dec 2021 #101
From the video I did watch the woman was practically begging him to answer questionseverything Dec 2021 #103
Because it is none of their business. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #102
I would imagine that Black people are pretty sick of 'saving time and trouble' by providing ID or Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #106
The Mom and son started it...and if they truly were worried why would they confront someone...why Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #107
OK, The Answer Seems RobinA Dec 2021 #51
I think the answer seems to be no. Torchlight Dec 2021 #53
We don't know what went into UBS's decision to terminate her. Could this have been the straw that CentralMass Dec 2021 #56
Most of us here are progressives who don't support those who aid and abet assault Kaleva Dec 2021 #72
Your concern is noted. ecstatic Dec 2021 #62
The first time he told them,"it was none of their business " questionseverything Dec 2021 #63
They shouldn't have asked in the first place. Kaleva Dec 2021 #73
So that's the world you want ? questionseverything Dec 2021 #74
I prefer living in a world where I don't need to ask people what they are doing. Kaleva Dec 2021 #87
It's great that you have the privilege of living in such a safe, secure place questionseverything Dec 2021 #93
A world free of Gladys Kravitzs sounds like a nice world. Torchlight Dec 2021 #90
They were in their own garage questionseverything Dec 2021 #92
Umm, no Lurker Deluxe Dec 2021 #78
So you would have done what I said pretty much. Kaleva Dec 2021 #84
Yes, and no Lurker Deluxe Dec 2021 #85
If i see someone I don't recognize where I live, I ask them if they need assistance. Kaleva Dec 2021 #88
What you describe is more invasive than what these folks did questionseverything Dec 2021 #95
Wonder if the outcome would have been different had they asked the man if he needed assistance. Kaleva Dec 2021 #100
I love how the assault part was left off, I see what you did there ... (not) uponit7771 Dec 2021 #69
I Was Talking RobinA Dec 2021 #79
She called the cops AFTER the black guy was attacked ON the black guy !!! REALLY ?! We looking uponit7771 Dec 2021 #82
She sure did do something that reflected on her employer...she behaved in a racist manner... Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #108
You can call if he is white treestar Dec 2021 #76
Excellent! She may need to sell that Louis V bag! honest.abe Dec 2021 #52
Here is a link to the video. CentralMass Dec 2021 #58
I am stunned this happened by people who look like her. BeckyDem Dec 2021 #77
She Was Suspicious RobinA Dec 2021 #80
Her white wealth privilege means nothing to some. BeckyDem Dec 2021 #81
lol uponit7771 Dec 2021 #83
I'd bet $100.00 dollars she gave herself that name... SKKY Dec 2021 #110

musette_sf

(10,206 posts)
1. Good.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 10:49 PM
Dec 2021

These two were out of control. Dude was wearing a uniform and badge from the company he works for when she and Laddie Boy started in with him.

TomSlick

(11,114 posts)
13. Yeah, that's what my cousin, Bitsy, thinks.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:33 PM
Dec 2021

None of us had a choice about what our parents named us.

soldierant

(6,937 posts)
26. No, we con't have choices about what our parents named us, BUT
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:01 AM
Dec 2021

we can make choices about what name we are going to use. We can use a middle name, or slightly change the spelling of a first name, without the bother of going to court. It may, if we want to enter the service, require statements from relatives that, although the name is not exactle as spelled on the birth certificate, the person is the same person, and has been using that name for years. I had to do that. but after that, I had the militaru ID (and later the DD214), and also the Social Securoty Card and a passport (those last two before going ito the seervice actually.) I've had no issues since.

Mine was nowhere near as bad as "Bitsy."

Actually "Bitsy" reminds me of "Fried Green Tomatoes, in which major (female) characters had perfectly normal names but had been saddled with nicknames which implies they were immature, stupid, or otherwise not adult humans. Like Virginia being nicknamed "Ninny." And Imogen becoming "Idgie."

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
44. My name changed when I joined the USAF.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 12:04 PM
Dec 2021

In my youth, I was known by my middle name, because I'm a Jr. So, it was less confusing if my father and I weren't called by the same name. I never used my first name, despite it being on my school records, etc. If someone called me by it, like a teacher, I corrected them, and that worked just fine.

Not so much, once I joined the USAF. There, I was called by my first name, and my initial attempt to change that was met with ridicule. So, there it was. I talked to my father, and he said that he had been called by his middle name when younger, but it got switched out with his first name when he served in the USAAF during WWII. "Nothing you can do about that," he said.

So, people in my old home town still know me by my middle name. My parents, until they died, still used it. Everyone else knows me by my first name. I answer to both, of course, depending on where I am.

"Bitsy" is probably derived from "Elizabeth," like Betty, and Lizzy are. Personal acquaintances and family probably use "Bitsy" for that awful woman, but nobody else does, I'm sure. It's really not worth trying to convince everyone to call you by the name used for you when you're young, especially if it's your middle name or some odd nickname. That comes with becoming an adult, I think.

TomSlick

(11,114 posts)
67. I have always been known by my middle name, until I went in the Army.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 12:41 AM
Dec 2021

Then suddenly, I was known by my father's name.

I knew I had arrived when I went to the Army JAG School for a meeting of senior Judge Advocates. The name tag on the door to my room was "Tom." People actually knew my name - and cared.

NNadir

(33,563 posts)
86. I don't agree with your characterization of how names were used in that movie.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 11:47 AM
Dec 2021

The nicknames effectively portrayed the culture in which they lived, but the movie showed strong women and African Americans rising above their culture.

The portrayal of the interface between a culture and people willing to rise above their culture was very effective.

The movie would not have been nearly as effective in portraying the interface if the characters were called Imogen and Virginia. At no point were any of the major characters portrayed as immature, stupid or "other than adult."

Hell, we could use some rising above our culture in these times. Unfortunately our culture remains in many ways as appalling as the one in which "Bitsy," Ninny" and "Idgie" lived.

I loved that movie. My whole family loves it, and we've watched it several times; my wife actually got a copy for her birthday from my son.

soldierant

(6,937 posts)
109. I thought it showed how
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 12:04 AM
Dec 2021

women were dismissed life long - and how idiotic that was when those women were some of the strongest women in existence. The teerm "Steel Magnolias" comes to mind. But I wasn't clear.

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
33. Bitsy is her nickname, not her real name.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 09:02 AM
Dec 2021

"Bitsy" and other cutesy nicknames (like Muffy) are used by certain types of wealthy families, especially in the northeast and, to a lesser degree, in the south. It's a way of signaling wealth and privilege.

obamanut2012

(26,154 posts)
50. That is not an unusual nickname for someone named Elizabeth
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 03:41 PM
Dec 2021

Not for Boomers and GenXers. I've known several, and I don't exactly socialize or work in fancy circles. Lots of Chips and Skips in the redneck area I grew up in, too.

captain queeg

(10,269 posts)
8. Just wow. They certainly look like the are cut from the same cloth as the family of the recent high
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:05 PM
Dec 2021

school shooter. What is wrong with these people that think they are there to enforce some rule only they know about. By the way you stupid fool, being a parking lot attendant is probably minimum wage and often filled by recent immigrants, people of color, or young people just starting out. I guess losing your high paying job is a shock to your white privilege.

I used to talk to the parking attendant at my building, a young immigrant from Somalia. One day he was smiling from ear to ear because he’d just received US citizenship after passing the test. I’ll bet 95% of these idiots couldn’t pass a citizenship test.

rsdsharp

(9,208 posts)
9. After the video was posted on YouTube, showing
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:12 PM
Dec 2021

“Sonny” sailing across the floor after pushing Martinez, they actually tried to file charges against him. Guess that didn’t work out so well.

ShazzieB

(16,543 posts)
11. The racism is staggering.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:24 PM
Dec 2021

They went after a black parking garage attendant who was checking car permits in their building. Because OF COURSE he HAD to be up to no good, for no reason other than the fact that he was black.

It blows my mind how many white people there are who automatically assume any black person they see is a criminal. Because evidently the only reason any black person is ever anywhere is because they're committing a crime, getting ready to commit a crime, or planning to commit one, I guess?

I can't even with this crap.

Quixote1818

(28,983 posts)
24. Exactly. I guarantee you my first reaction to someone like him doing his thing would be to smile
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 12:35 AM
Dec 2021

and wish him a nice day. It's like seeing someone of color is a psychological trigger! And in order for it to be a trigger for negative, suspicious feelings, they have to be racist.

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
34. And even worse, he was wearing an ID that identified his job.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 09:07 AM
Dec 2021

They were picking on him while pretending to be "concerned." They knew exactly why he was there. They just wanted to start trouble because they didn't like having a Black man in their "secure" building. This is the disgusting face of racism. This is what Black and Brown people have to put up with all the time. We white people must acknowledge this and speak up against it.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
57. It's also because whites generally view the laws
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 08:44 PM
Dec 2021

and rules of society as there to benefit them - not the other way around. It's what drives alot of the anti-mask rage and Karen incidents, they don't like being told what to do, because they're the ones that should be telling others (ie, blacks and browns) what to do.

ruet

(10,039 posts)
40. Irony...
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 09:55 AM
Dec 2021

The permit checks are probably in place because Bitsy and her ilk whined to management about cars being parked without permits. People need to mind their own GD business.

tulipsandroses

(5,128 posts)
12. Aww Bitsy, you effed around and found out
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:31 PM
Dec 2021

Companies don’t like when you are openly racist. It’s bad for business. Guess you didn’t get the memo. Oh well, good luck with your job search.

sheshe2

(83,940 posts)
15. The itsy bitsy spider
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:45 PM
Dec 2021

Itsy bitsy spider
Climbed up the waterspout;
Down came the rain
And washed the spider out;
Out came the sun
And dried up all the rain;
And the itsy bitsy spider
Climbed up the spout again.

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
17. I do that for a living
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:49 PM
Dec 2021

I've had a few irate people in my time but it's usually because they don't understand the system or "you can't tell me what to do".

I've never been challenged that I'm doing something wrong but I'm a big, old white guy.

questionseverything

(9,661 posts)
94. When they asked what you were doing, did you say,
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:27 PM
Dec 2021

“None of your business “?

How would your boss’s customers felt about that?

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
96. "Writing tickets"
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 05:05 PM
Dec 2021

I'm in a marked car in a company uniform.

We have a non-confrontation policy. Many invalid parkers haven't read the sign so I explain it and cancel their ticket.

questionseverything

(9,661 posts)
97. That's the difference, you explained yourself
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 05:11 PM
Dec 2021

I think most businesses have “ non-confrontation” policies

I don’t understand why the worker escalated the tensions when it would of been so easy to de escalate

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
19. There is a TV show called Parking Wars
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:57 PM
Dec 2021

It's an old series being shown on cable where the parking attendants ticket and boot cars.

A lot of stupid offenders.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
29. Probably a knock-off......
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:17 AM
Dec 2021

and I'm sure "Bitsy" wouldn't know the difference as long as it had the LV logo on it.

Conspicuous displays of wealth - whether it's real or not - piss me off.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
55. Now THAT'S class!
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 05:06 PM
Dec 2021


I'd forgotten all about that, and I loved High Anxiety. Madeline Kahn was a great actor, it's a shame she died so young.

Pinback

(12,171 posts)
59. Oh man...
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 09:31 PM
Dec 2021

She was so funny in that movie! Makes me want to watch it again.

BTW, if you haven’t heard it, Terri Gross’s interview with Mel Brooks on Fresh Air this week is well worth a listen.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
68. Mel is a national treasure.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 02:26 AM
Dec 2021

He's been doing a lot of interviews lately, or so it seems. He's getting very long in the tooth (95 yrs.) and he knows he doesn't have much time left on the planet.

It'll be a very sad day when the world loses a voice like Mel's. 😔

luckone

(21,646 posts)
25. Hello 911 ? I am a wealthy white woman who doesn't think I should ever see black faces in
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 12:59 AM
Dec 2021

my spaces . Can you come remove this black person in the parking garage ? He has some kind of ID hanging from his neck I think he stole it or just escaped from jail or something
My son assaulted him but the black person kicked him across the garage so now I’m extremely angry . Hurry if you know what’s good for you and don’t dare send any officers of color to assist I’m already agitated plus I will have to interrogate them too and ask for their ID even if they are in uniform

Good thing they did not have guns otherwise we may have never seen Mr. Martinez phone video of what went down there

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
35. Bingo! And you're right, it's exactly what happened to Ahmed Arbury.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 09:10 AM
Dec 2021

And it's why so many police forces are racist in their approach to policing their communities. People like Bitsy insist on it. The police won't change until community attitudes change.

Iggo

(47,574 posts)
105. I know! It's kinda like a twist on the emperor's new clothes...
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 08:54 PM
Dec 2021

…where instead of being invisible, they’re just super ugly. Like everyone else is in on it but them.

“Your giant square brown bag with someone’s else’s initials printed on it in yellow a hundred times is gorgeous!”

“Oh thank you! It’s very expensive, you know.”

KT2000

(20,590 posts)
31. Wondered what happened
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 03:43 AM
Dec 2021

so glad to see they were put in their place. In the video when junior charged Martinez, they said they were going to charge Martinez with assault. That is some amazing privilege.

onethatcares

(16,192 posts)
32. You gotta teach em
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 08:51 AM
Dec 2021

when they're young.

Now Bitsy won't have to worry about rich peoples yachts . I wonder if she'll apply for EBT or have to sell the family jewels to prevent becoming homeless.

Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. Good for the assault charges. Martinez is obviously a decent, sensible,
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 10:00 AM
Dec 2021
balanced person. His video very courteously asks social media rabble to stop doxing the couple because it's dangerous and to not to use him as an excuse to hurt others. He's not into that kind of thing. His parents and grandparents are no doubt proud of him.

He also says this has been handled well by the apartment company and the company he's actually employed by and he has absolutely no complaints in that direction, so please, floods of callers, stop calling the apartment building.

MagickMuffin

(15,960 posts)
42. HAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLHAAHAHAHA
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 10:49 AM
Dec 2021


HAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLHAAHAHAHA


Glad she lost her job and the son was charged.


HAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLHAAHAHAHA


Notek

(478 posts)
45. Heh,
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 12:19 PM
Dec 2021

I'm glad she got fired but, sadly, she will just get another white privilege job. Her little boy will start carrying a gun. And the beat goes on.

RobinA

(9,896 posts)
46. So We Will Be Fired
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 12:36 PM
Dec 2021

from our job if we call the police on a person who refuses to say what he is doing in a secure building? Just trying to make sure I know the rules. Are we allowed to call the cops if he is white? Chinese?

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
47. If your 27 year old son attempts to assault the person during the altercation as in this case
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 02:57 PM
Dec 2021

your employer might take issue with it.

Quixote1818

(28,983 posts)
48. She was basically an accomplice to a crime. Her son attacked him and she failed to mention
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 03:28 PM
Dec 2021

that to police and left the scene of the crime. In most states you can be fired for just about anything. If they think she is going to reflect badly on the company, if co-workers aren't going to be comfortable working around her or her boss now thinks she is racist, they have every right to fire her.

Torchlight

(3,368 posts)
49. No.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 03:39 PM
Dec 2021

All other things being equal, I don't think we'll be fired for calling the police on a person who refuses to say what he is doing in a secure building.

I do however, think we'll be fired for being an accomplice to assault, demanding identification when already provided via name badge, and then skulking away like cowards from the scene we call the police to before they even arrive. That bit may get us fired.

questionseverything

(9,661 posts)
66. All I can see from the video is something hanging around his neck not what it says
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 10:40 PM
Dec 2021

When they ask him, he says, “ none of your business “

Unless there is more video I haven’t seen he was pretty confrontational, so was the young white guy but the older lady never raises her voice

questionseverything

(9,661 posts)
99. We don't actually see the beginning of the exchange
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:10 PM
Dec 2021

But i am assuming the people that lived there began the exchange

How does that make “none of your business “ an appropriate answer?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
101. Yeah, I'm relatively sure that the guy who was just doing his job didn't ...
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:19 PM
Dec 2021

run up to Karen and son and start making threatening gestures.
As you noted, we don't see the very beginning of the interaction. Based on what I HAVE seen of multiple Karen interactions, I'm comfortable in my assumption that it was something along the lines of "What are you doing here?", delivered in a snotty and entitled manner. And then Junior got involved.
I can say that were I approached in a similar fashion at my workplace, I probably would have simply said, "I work here". Had Mom and spawn persisted, I would have invited them to take a flying fuck a a rolling doughnut.

questionseverything

(9,661 posts)
103. From the video I did watch the woman was practically begging him to answer
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:34 PM
Dec 2021

If he would of said, “ I work here “and showed them his badge I think everything would of been over

Why would his company provide him with id if they didn’t except people to view it?

W_HAMILTON

(7,875 posts)
102. Because it is none of their business.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:23 PM
Dec 2021

If they have a problem with something, they should contact management/security and let them handle these sorts of issues.

The vigilantism needs to stop -- NOW.

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
106. I would imagine that Black people are pretty sick of 'saving time and trouble' by providing ID or
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:11 PM
Dec 2021

what have you to ignorant entitled White people who probably call the police hoping for 'excess force' by the responding police officer. How would you like to go around having to prove whatever to someone with white skin demands you prove knowing it is based simply on your skin color? I am glad the kid was arrested for assault. He did assault the Black gentleman and I am glad his Mom lost her job...she is undoubtedly a racist. Why should any company want to employ someone like her?

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
107. The Mom and son started it...and if they truly were worried why would they confront someone...why
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:15 PM
Dec 2021

not go up to your apartment, call the authorities and let the police handle it. Clearly, they were not fearful...just a couple of racist types confronting a Black man because they thought they could with impunity...well they couldn't. And I for one am delighted by that.

RobinA

(9,896 posts)
51. OK, The Answer Seems
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 03:51 PM
Dec 2021

to be yes. As a younger Boomer, I never thought I’d see times like this in this country. This is not what I ever thought most of us are. I was young and naive.

Torchlight

(3,368 posts)
53. I think the answer seems to be no.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 04:04 PM
Dec 2021

Unless we are complicit in assault. Then yes, assaults often result in termination.

But you're right: Bitsy is not what I ever thought most of us are. And thankfully, I still believe that.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
56. We don't know what went into UBS's decision to terminate her. Could this have been the straw that
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 08:39 PM
Dec 2021

broke the camels back ?What did the video show ? Did she encourage her son ?. It is all speculation but I suspect that she would have not lost her job if they simply called the police and not have been part of a verbal and physical altercation.

questionseverything

(9,661 posts)
63. The first time he told them,"it was none of their business "
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 10:06 PM
Dec 2021

They should of left, called the office and let them take care of it

Heaven forbid the guy just said,” I’m checking license plates”

Kaleva

(36,356 posts)
73. They shouldn't have asked in the first place.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 06:10 AM
Dec 2021

He wasn't doing anything illegal. They should have just called the office. Nobody would have been arrested for assault and no one would have lost their job.

questionseverything

(9,661 posts)
74. So that's the world you want ?
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 07:42 AM
Dec 2021

Where one person can’t say to another person, “ what ya doing?”

Them asking him shows they thought there was a reasonable explanation, if they thought he was dangerous they certainly would of called authorities without a word…

Heaven forbid he just answered them

I live in a very mixed neighborhood so I don’t understand the “secure building mentality “ but it is a huge business so a lot of people think it’s important

Kaleva

(36,356 posts)
87. I prefer living in a world where I don't need to ask people what they are doing.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 12:41 PM
Dec 2021

I like living where I am where one doesn't lock the doors when gone for a day or so.

Some prefer to live in a fort and live a life of suspicion.

Torchlight

(3,368 posts)
90. A world free of Gladys Kravitzs sounds like a nice world.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 02:50 PM
Dec 2021

Heaven forbid people just mind their own business.

Lurker Deluxe

(1,039 posts)
78. Umm, no
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 01:22 PM
Dec 2021

I live in a condo complex that is very similar to this. It is a secure property and to get into the property by any entrance, including the parking garage, you need to have either a code or a remote.

I know my immediate neighbors and what they drive, and to park in those spots your vehicle needs to have the proper identification.

I pay for this, and it is not cheap. I pay for it for a reason and that reason is security of me and my property.

If I come home and someone is walking around in the garage looking at cars I would absolutely ask them why they are there and if that answer is, "none of your business" I would pursue that inquiry but no longer with that person. A simple call to the onsite property manager would be immediate and I am sure the first question would be, "what is their name". If the person would not answer that she would get in her little golf cart and be there within a couple of minutes.

When she arrived, that would be the end of my involvement.

The assault was obviously wrong, and illegal, and should be punished ... and most likely will be. The assumption that it is not my "business" who is on my property is completely false. It is private property.

This was handled completely wrong by someone making assumptions and someone not following what I am sure are simple rules. I would imagine if this happened that person would have the same phone number I have and make the same call I would make to straighten out the misunderstanding.

Fact remains, it is private property and I have every right to know why anyone not a resident is there.

Kaleva

(36,356 posts)
84. So you would have done what I said pretty much.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 07:16 AM
Dec 2021

Except you would have first asked the person why he or she was there. Everything else you said you'd do is what I described.

Your comment:
"I live in a condo complex that is very similar to this."

Do you know the appearance and some details of all the other residents and if someone new moves there, is that info provided to you? Pictures? Are you kept abreast of all the employees who work there and informed if someone else, not a regular employee, is gong to be doing work at your condo?

Lurker Deluxe

(1,039 posts)
85. Yes, and no
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 10:46 AM
Dec 2021

I disagreed with the premise of "shouldn't have even asked".

Do I know every person? Of coarse not, I still work. Does Dorris, the 75 year old retired busy body of the place ... prolly most. Do I know my immediate neighbors and what they drive .. yea, pretty much. There are a few who just keep to themselves and are really not very social, I know what they drive and look like ... would not be able to tell you their name.

Where I live is 85% owner occupied, another strong point of the purchase in 2008. So mostly it is older people who are moving on to other points, assisted care or death, that brings a vacancy. Turnover is very low and this place is simply not that big at 200 units, divided into 2 properties with 5 buildings per property.

There is a web site and a newsletter that lets all know exactly what is going on weekly. From bingo in the clubhouse to the decorating contest/s and winners during Holidays. Events range from garage sales, BBQs at the pool, bus trips to local events, organized walks/bike rides, and various other reasons to get outside and be social. Being in Champions there are several really nice public parks within walking distance and they get used.

I am on the board so yea ... I know what is going on when and where. We have a maintenance staff that consist of 5 men and an on site property manager who is female and I know them and they know me ... very well. There has not been a change in that staff for over 6 years.

If you walk your dog and it takes a crap and you do not pick it up ... someone will see it and report you. It is what it is ... a person, any color, walking through the parking lot car to car looking at them is going to be questioned and, "none of your business" would certainly be the wrong answer.

I hope it never changes. There was a break in to a car 2 years ago and it was demanded at the board meeting that security be upgraded ... and it was.

Kaleva

(36,356 posts)
88. If i see someone I don't recognize where I live, I ask them if they need assistance.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 01:23 PM
Dec 2021

Happened a few weeks ago. I was outside putting stuff away for the approaching winter and noted that someone in a vehicle was driving back and forth slowly. My thought was that they were looking for someone or a residence. My home being hte only one on the street with a visible house number on it, That's happened before so I went to the street and awaited his return. I waved him down and asked if he was looking for someone and he said yes and gave the name. I told him it was 2 houses down in the opposite direction and he thanked me and drove off and turned around at the junction and went ot the home I imagine. I didn't stay to check if he stopped there.

I live in a town were many don't lock their doors when gone for a short period of time to most of the day or so.

In my own view, I wouldn't want to live in an area that was "secure" as that implies that there's a threat to one's safety. I'd be placing my wife's an my own safety at risk. But that's just me. You may see many benefits to be living where you do. Benefits that outweigh the heightened risk.

questionseverything

(9,661 posts)
95. What you describe is more invasive than what these folks did
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:31 PM
Dec 2021

What if when you “helpfully “ asked , they told you, “none of your business “

Kaleva

(36,356 posts)
100. Wonder if the outcome would have been different had they asked the man if he needed assistance.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:11 PM
Dec 2021

Rather then questioning why he was there.

RobinA

(9,896 posts)
79. I Was Talking
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 02:09 PM
Dec 2021

about the woman, who didn't assault anyone. I have a very hard time thinking it's OK to fire people for private behavior that some people don't approve of. She didn't say or do anything illegal or that reflected on her employer. Even at-will employment has to contain some element of good faith to be workable. She questioned a person's presence in a secure environment, he refused to answer, she called the police. She even tried to stop her son from acting like a jerk, but was unsuccessful. It's nonsense like this that feeds the other side.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
82. She called the cops AFTER the black guy was attacked ON the black guy !!! REALLY ?! We looking
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 06:42 PM
Dec 2021

... at the same video ?!

Please watch video again, she didn't have cell phone out until black guy was attacked by her son

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
108. She sure did do something that reflected on her employer...she behaved in a racist manner...
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:19 PM
Dec 2021

businesses often fire people for moral failings... not matter whether they occur on the clock or not.

honest.abe

(8,685 posts)
52. Excellent! She may need to sell that Louis V bag!
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 03:58 PM
Dec 2021

And loser pudge son needs to get a job.

Sometimes justice prevails!

RobinA

(9,896 posts)
80. She Was Suspicious
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 02:13 PM
Dec 2021

of a guy because of his skin color, she gets trashed and fired because of her skin color. Neither of them did anything wrong, both of them could have handled things differently. The son committed a simple assault, which is illegal.

SKKY

(11,824 posts)
110. I'd bet $100.00 dollars she gave herself that name...
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 12:07 AM
Dec 2021

...she probably grew up being called "Beth", or "Liz", or "Lizzy", and she needed something to set her apart, so she invented "Bitsy". No doubt.

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