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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe Know a Lot More About Omicron Now: Here's how to think about all the emerging data.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/everything-about-omicron-cases-vaccines/620956/The flood of Omicron news can be overwhelming. The endless data, anecdotes, and studies are hard enough to synthesize. But what makes the information even harder to parse is that so much evidence (i.e., what people are seeing) is intertwined with opinion (i.e., what people are hoping and fearing). To round up the weeks Omicron news, I wanted to write something that disentangled evidence and opinion, to help people make decisions right nowabout travel, and school, and weddings, and funerals, and holidayseven though were dealing with lots of imperfect information. Consider this your highly imperfect guide to our highly imperfect understanding of Omicron.
1. THE SOUTH AFRICA DATA
Omicron is spreading really, really fast. New cases are rising faster than any previous wave in South Africa, even though the country already has widespread immunity from vaccines and a very large Delta wave. The estimated reproduction rate of Omicron is higher than anything the country has seen since the start of the pandemic.
So far, Omicron seems to be associated with less severe illness and fewer ICU admissions. Data from Gauteng province in South Africa show that the share of hospitalized patients with COVID who are in the ICU or on a ventilator is 50 to 70 percent lower than it was during the same stage of Delta. Whats more, the average hospital patient is being discharged faster than during the Delta wave. Thats according to data from the National Institute for Communicable Diseases shared with the Financial Times. Doctors from the Tshwane District, at the epicentre of the Omicron wave, reported the same thing: The COVID-positive patients in their hospital were less likely to need oxygen support, and their time in the hospital was shorter than it was for patients during the Delta wave.
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Anecdotally, a lot of South African doctors say theyre very concerned about reinfections but less panicked about severe illness. We are seeing breakthrough infections of people who have been vaccinated, but the infections were seeing are very mild to moderate, Richard Friedland, the CEO of a large private health-care network in South Africa, told Bloomberg. Its early, but Im less panicked. I wouldnt put much stock in anecdotes. But these are from doctors on the front lines of the outbreak, and their assessments are backed up by the hard data.
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Bernardo de La Paz
(49,011 posts)Looks like we are starting to get data now and so the anecdotes can begin fading away.
Thanks for posting.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)what happens when a person who has had Omicron becomes reinfected with Delta or another strain?
Also, could one have simultaneous infections with two strains?
Regardless, at 74 I'm not letting my guard down.
Curious in KY.......
oldsoftie
(12,558 posts)Data from Denmark is also interesting because of their extremely intensive testing measures. Lots of infections but not causing lots of hospitalizations
Scrivener7
(50,955 posts)have had a very large number of cases of previous variants.
gab13by13
(21,362 posts)so I don't know for sure if it was click bait or not. The headline was that Pfizer reported its vaccine had a 25% efficacy rate v Omicron.
With that said there are very few deaths and few hospitalizations from Omicron. With that said I just ordered a batch of N-95 masks made in America.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)A British National Health study suggested vaxxed and boosted people had more like 70% protection
gab13by13
(21,362 posts)it was a study done in Israel of 40 people and the vaccine was 4 times less effective against Omicron.
I also saw the study you are talking about but I believe doctors are worried that even with the booster that protection against Omicron wears off quickly. It is still really early to know what to believe. I just ordered a batch of N-95 masks, I can even get them made in the USA since a lot of people believe the pandemic is over, and that's a shame and is causing the virus to spread.
2 hospitals are going to shut down in southeast Pa. and another hospital in Centre county Pa. is turning people away and sending them to another hospital. I had a routine doctor's appointment at UPMC Pittsburgh pushed back 3 months, last year I did my doctor's appointment via Zoom.
I fear that this pandemic is only going to explode this winter, people are not wearing masks where I live in Pa.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)prevent severe disease and death and we all need to keep as safe as possible
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,190 posts)The Pfizer study found that ..."Three doses of the vaccine appeared to provide the same level of neutralizing antibodies against Omicron as two doses did against the original strain."
That's good news. The Biden administration was right to promote the boosters back when everyone was saying it wasn't necessary.
Would GOPers and TFG have promoted the booster? I seriously doubt it. Funny how the leaders of the anti-vaxxers all got their shots but then tell their viewers it's all a government conspiracy. The leader of the GOP propaganda site, Rupert Murdoch got his vaccines. Funny about their don't do as I do, do as I say attitudes.
The moment I saw TFG and his family con their way to get a vaccine, I knew it was safe. This country worships the filthy rich, so if they got the shot, you know it's safe for everyone.