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turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 05:04 PM Dec 2021

Utah Makes Welfare So Hard to Get, Some Feel They Must Join the LDS Church to Get Aid

Utah’s safety net for the poor is so intertwined with the LDS Church that individual bishops often decide who receives assistance. Some deny help unless a person goes to services or gets baptized.
by Eli Hager, photography by Kim Raff for ProPublica
Dec. 2, 5 a.m. EST

This story was co-published with The Salt Lake Tribune.

Near the start of the pandemic, in a gentrifying neighborhood of Salt Lake City, Utah, visitors from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints arrived at Danielle Bellamy’s doorstep. They were there to have her read out loud from the Book of Mormon, watch LDS videos and set a date to get baptized, all of which she says the church was requiring her to do in exchange for giving her food.

Bellamy, desperate for help, had tried applying for cash assistance from the state of Utah. But she’d been denied for not being low-income enough, an outcome that has become increasingly common ever since then-President Bill Clinton signed a law, 25 years ago, that he said would end “welfare as we know it.”

https://www.propublica.org/article/utahs-social-safety-net-is-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-what-does-that-mean-if-youre-not-one

It's a ten day old article but is worth the re-read...



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Utah Makes Welfare So Hard to Get, Some Feel They Must Join the LDS Church to Get Aid (Original Post) turbinetree Dec 2021 OP
Nothing proselytizing through extortion. Thomas Hurt Dec 2021 #1
Doesn't the Salvation Army do something similar? tblue37 Dec 2021 #6
I have heard that they require folks who want to eat to sit through a sermon... Thomas Hurt Dec 2021 #7
I'm sure it's planned that way! PortTack Dec 2021 #2
Probably intentional, Utah is basically a theocracy... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #3
And that's the point. 2naSalit Dec 2021 #4
Sounds planned. Texaswitchy Dec 2021 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #8
I think Joel was carrying the joint compound bucket ......... turbinetree Dec 2021 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #11
Everywhere would be like that if these "faith-based" charities had their way. Haggard Celine Dec 2021 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #12
Lets get real, Utah, California, Texas and Oregon-Washington are nations within nations. Xolodno Dec 2021 #13
Utah is beautiful. It's a shame it's full of fundamentalists. PTWB Dec 2021 #14
I agree. Haggard Celine Dec 2021 #16
CA, WA, OR are nothing like TX or UT leftstreet Dec 2021 #15

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
5. Sounds planned.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 06:06 PM
Dec 2021

I know a ex-mormon.

Her family was low income.

They had to work canning food in Mormon kitchen to get help.

Her father died there were six kids

Nothing for free from the church.

She left when she finished high school.

Went into the military.



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Haggard Celine

(16,847 posts)
9. Everywhere would be like that if these "faith-based" charities had their way.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:13 PM
Dec 2021

That's why they want all of the tax money, so they can fucking proselytize and dole out everything depending upon who 'deserves' it the most.

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Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
13. Lets get real, Utah, California, Texas and Oregon-Washington are nations within nations.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 02:28 AM
Dec 2021

Utah is basically a Theocracy and why I have no intention of ever moving there. I know people who have, just counting the days until they convert.

Not saying the Mormon faith is bad, they sense of community, trust, etc. impresses me. But, they really don't need to force conversion by economics, The culture is more than enough to get one to convert.

Haggard Celine

(16,847 posts)
16. I agree.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 03:50 AM
Dec 2021

Utah is definitely one of the most beautiful states in the country. It's a strange beauty, too, kind of takes your breath away. But yeah, there are a lot of religious nuts out there. I think I'd be kind of lonesome without knowing anyone, and I would require an entire brain and soul transplant to become a Mormon.

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