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MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 06:18 PM Dec 2021

This Post Will Piss Some People Off: We Must Have Democratic Unity!

I just watched excerpts from a debate of Republican Primary candidates for Minnesota Governor in 2022. What I saw both shocked me and gave me hope - maybe.

All five of those GQP gubernatorial candidates in MN declared that there were voting irregularities in the 2020 presidential election. ALL FIVE! In Minnesota!

Now, that means that our Democratic governor will be re-elected in MN, but it also means something else. If all Republican candidates for Governor make statements like that, the Republican party has clearly united around absolute insanity.

That's scary! Not in Minnesotata, which will react by rejecting whoever wins the primary. But in the rest of the country, it demonstrates that we are only going to see Trumpers as Republican candidates in 2022. Everywhere. In every State. For every office. Trump has hypnotized Republicans running for office, and they're too frightened of Trump's insane toadies to say anything that will piss them off.

What does that mean? It means that, in some states, it will absolutely take a unified Democratic electorate to defeat whatever Republican Trumper crazy people who manage to win primaries. That's the important news.

Here's the good news: If, and only if, Democrats unify and commit to a strong GOTV effort in 2022, we can beat those assholes almost everywhere. Not every Republican voter is a Trumper. We can get some of them to vote against Trumpism and help us. But, unless we are unified and willing to work, we could lose more races than we should. And here's why that matters:

If we win more than a few races where crazy Trumpers are the general election candidates for House, Senate, Governor, and even state legislative office, we will not only win more offices, we will actually increase our majorities nationally and gain majorities in some closely divided state legislatures. And we can do that by simply displaying a unified front which rejects Trumpism as our main point.

How can we lose? We can lose if we do not display unity and work together to bring out every possible Democratic vote, along with some Republicans who are not committed to Trump and his toadies. If some of us fail to show enthusiasm, we will not be united. But, if we avoid disunity and work on every race, we will win more than we lose, and that will give us the majorities we need.

Does that idea piss you off? Why? It shouldn't. It should fire you up to do everything you can to ensure Democratic victories. Everywhere. In every race. If we actually do that, we can not only improve our chances; we can defeat Trumpism, once and for all. Let's show them a unified face!

Please think. Please help. Our future may depend on that.

Elect Democrats! Fight Trumpers!

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This Post Will Piss Some People Off: We Must Have Democratic Unity! (Original Post) MineralMan Dec 2021 OP
Well said. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2021 #1
Thank you! MineralMan Dec 2021 #2
K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2021 #3
Thanks! MineralMan Dec 2021 #5
Indeed! nt Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #4
Thanks so much. We must win in 2022. MineralMan Dec 2021 #6
Unity always seems to be what your idea of unity is MM. I am content that CentralMass Dec 2021 #7
Unity is simply unity. MineralMan Dec 2021 #14
I doubt that many here are not going to vote. That doesn't CentralMass Dec 2021 #43
It's not a matter of DUers voting. MineralMan Dec 2021 #50
+ 1 nt pazzyanne Dec 2021 #54
My small circle of famiy and friends who are Democrats vote and CentralMass Dec 2021 #56
Keeping Republicans from Ending Democracy Keeps Me Enthusiastic MineralMan Dec 2021 #60
Great post LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2021 #8
I appreciate that. MineralMan Dec 2021 #11
Indeed. LoisB Dec 2021 #9
WE ALL need to vote as if our lives depend on it. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #10
+1000 MineralMan Dec 2021 #13
I am oldish. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #21
And for generations to come, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2021 #22
Exactly. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #32
Yes! MineralMan Dec 2021 #24
I don't have kids either... sheshe2 Dec 2021 #30
Yes! MineralMan Dec 2021 #31
I'm a radical environmentalist and damned near a socialist. hunter Dec 2021 #12
Yes MineralMan Dec 2021 #15
I couldn't agree with you more if I tried. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2021 #18
As a Bernie supporter since he ran against Hillary... Lunabell Dec 2021 #16
We either win or we are lost. MineralMan Dec 2021 #17
You're absolutely right MineralMan FakeNoose Dec 2021 #19
Thank you. MineralMan Dec 2021 #20
It's going to take everything we've got. ...K&R... spanone Dec 2021 #23
Yes. We will do it or maybe never have another chance. MineralMan Dec 2021 #26
Yes! mcar Dec 2021 #25
Precisely! MineralMan Dec 2021 #27
Couldn't agree more bluestarone Dec 2021 #28
+100 MineralMan Dec 2021 #29
We all hang together, or most assuredly we will hang separately. That should concentrate our minds Hekate Dec 2021 #33
Absolutely! MineralMan Dec 2021 #51
You had me at - we can beat those assholes almost everywhere Probatim Dec 2021 #34
India Walton enters the chat wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #35
And we haven't heard the last of India Walton either. NBachers Dec 2021 #49
Wonder if Democrats will finally support a fellow Democrat this time? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #57
I occasionally disagree with you on certain issues, MM, but ... 11 Bravo Dec 2021 #36
Thanks. Truly. MineralMan Dec 2021 #41
K&R! gademocrat7 Dec 2021 #37
What good is this "unity" if it brings us "Democrats" like Manchin or Sinema? n/t TygrBright Dec 2021 #38
Just imagine 60+ Democratic Senators and you'll understand. MineralMan Dec 2021 #40
Ahhhhhhhh..... Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2021 #42
We must stick together!!! PXR-5 Dec 2021 #39
You're right, of course, however elleng Dec 2021 #44
Well if we want to continue to lose elections and are prepared to watch Social Security, Medicare Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #47
Important is the messaging and the labeling of the GOP. Dan Dec 2021 #45
K&R UCmeNdc Dec 2021 #46
👍 Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #48
You make a good point that not all Republican voters are Trumpers Ohioboy Dec 2021 #52
Yes! MineralMan Dec 2021 #53
So, "unity" is hewing to the view of the most rightward among us? Bettie Dec 2021 #55
No. It's making sure Republicans don't win. MineralMan Dec 2021 #58
Yawn. NurseJackie Dec 2021 #59
No rest for the wicked. MineralMan Dec 2021 #61
We must soldier-on. NurseJackie Dec 2021 #62
Yup. MineralMan Dec 2021 #64
Yes! peggysue2 Dec 2021 #63
Anyone who doesn't understand that and argues MineralMan Dec 2021 #65
I suggest we focus on winning peggysue2 Dec 2021 #66
+100 to you both. "We fight the good fight now." May be last chance. Hortensis Dec 2021 #67

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
7. Unity always seems to be what your idea of unity is MM. I am content that
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 06:32 PM
Dec 2021

Joe Biden is doing his best to pass legislation that puts people first. I am also on board with the 48 members voting with the Democrats who are onbiard with the unadulterated BBB bill.
That is unity. I am not onboard with Sinema and Manchin blocking the passing of these bills and or having key provisions stripped out of bills. Manchins time as governor has gone to his head. He thinks he is king and his political ambitions and personal agenda are out of touch with what his constituents want.
I am also unrepentant in my belief that any effort to hold the GOP accountable for their misdeeds will fall flat.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
43. I doubt that many here are not going to vote. That doesn't
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 08:13 PM
Dec 2021

mean we have to be sycophants. Unity here is not going to make a bit of difference "out there".
There is I believe an entiduasim gap.out there. Hopefully fear of the GOP wresting vontrol back will be enough to motivate those unethusuastic voters to vote I'm November.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
50. It's not a matter of DUers voting.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 08:52 PM
Dec 2021

It's a matter of us encouraging others to do the same. That matters materially, and it's easy to do. We all have family and friends we communicate with. We can make a real difference. That's not even open to question.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
56. My small circle of famiy and friends who are Democrats vote and
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 09:24 PM
Dec 2021

and are aware of the issues. I do sense an enthusiasm gap. Particulary among younger voters. Post college life in the wake of the pandemic is tough and they are not optimistic about the future. College Loan relief was/is a pipe dteam and salaries vs the cost of living are a sobering reality.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
24. Yes!
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 06:57 PM
Dec 2021

I'm 76, and have no offspring, but I have four nieces or nephews and 12 of their children to think about.

sheshe2

(83,871 posts)
30. I don't have kids either...
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 07:12 PM
Dec 2021

The ages of my nieces, nephews, cousins and their kids range from 50 to 2 years. I care about all of them and all the rest.

hunter

(38,325 posts)
12. I'm a radical environmentalist and damned near a socialist.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 06:40 PM
Dec 2021

Nevertheless my politics are practical and very thoroughly Democratic.

I don't vote for Republicans. I don't vote for third party candidates who can't win.

Biden was not my first choice in the Democratic primaries but I'm proud to have voted for him as my President.

People who sit out elections because "both parties are the same" make me angry.

The only people I want sitting out elections are Republicans.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,423 posts)
18. I couldn't agree with you more if I tried.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 06:45 PM
Dec 2021

I never understood those that sit out elections, and then bitch and moan for the next 4 years because of who was elected.

Lunabell

(6,105 posts)
16. As a Bernie supporter since he ran against Hillary...
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 06:43 PM
Dec 2021

I strongly support this message and have felt this way since HRC won the Democratic nomination. I knew that tfg and his army of brown shirts were a danger to this country.

I'm still a far lefty, democratic socialist, but I know most of this country does not think like me. So, the Democrats must win in order to save democracy.

FakeNoose

(32,726 posts)
19. You're absolutely right MineralMan
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 06:52 PM
Dec 2021

We Dems must be willing to look past the petty bickering that we all love, and UNITE against the real foe.

I love how you've explained this too. Every intelligent Democrat (and most of us ARE intelligent) can see the wisdom of your thinking. We all need to stick together. It takes discipline to hold off on the bickering and sniping, it takes patience to wait until the foe is beaten, and maturity to see the greater good benefits ALL of us not just a few.

Elect Democrats! Fight Trumpers!

mcar

(42,372 posts)
25. Yes!
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 06:58 PM
Dec 2021

Enough of this constant criticism of Democrats. Let Republicans fight amongst themselves and Democrats vote for Democrats.

We can do this!

bluestarone

(17,025 posts)
28. Couldn't agree more
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 07:01 PM
Dec 2021

VOTING IS the Most important weapon we have! I feel we (Dems., especially in battle ground states) need to come up with the absolute best plan to help get people to the poles to VOTE! They (RETHUGS) are trying to take away the weapon that WILL DEFEAT THEM. We all know this.

Hekate

(90,779 posts)
33. We all hang together, or most assuredly we will hang separately. That should concentrate our minds
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 07:22 PM
Dec 2021

Indeed it should.

Apologies for stealing from the Founding Fathers, but they could be pretty pithy & to the point.

Thanks MM.


11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
36. I occasionally disagree with you on certain issues, MM, but ...
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 07:29 PM
Dec 2021

doing everything possible to ensure that Republicans never wield power again is probably the most important task I've ever taken on on in my seven decades on this planet.
They are no longer interested in the well-being of the country that I fought and bled for.
They seek power, and nothing else.
Power to disenfranchise those who don't look or act like them.
Power to continue to enrich the already privileged.
Power for its own sake, in case they eventually think of yet another way to fuck the rest of us.

In other words, I'm with you on this one, buddy.



Just_Vote_Dem

(2,818 posts)
42. Ahhhhhhhh.....
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 07:50 PM
Dec 2021

A wonderful feeling came over me when I thought about 60+ Democratic Senators-thank you for that!

PXR-5

(522 posts)
39. We must stick together!!!
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 07:42 PM
Dec 2021

It's been said being a Democrat is like herding cats!

We are a big tent party and welcome all!!!!!

elleng

(131,077 posts)
44. You're right, of course, however
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 08:23 PM
Dec 2021

Dems don't do unity, we are individuals with MINDS, resulting in all sorts of difficulties.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
47. Well if we want to continue to lose elections and are prepared to watch Social Security, Medicare
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 08:41 PM
Dec 2021

etc die...then we can continue with our individualistic ways down the path that ends in the destruction of our party and or our Republic...of course, I don't think that is a good idea...Unite and vote Democrat in every damn election from dog catcher to president or the GOP wins it all.

Dan

(3,579 posts)
45. Important is the messaging and the labeling of the GOP.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 08:35 PM
Dec 2021

Messaging and labeling that the GOP is antiDemocratic partly that wants a one party state without future elections.

Define one party state for the stupid.

Then, define that they will not have any voting rights - again for the stupid.

Then, see if they understand what a Democracy is - for the stupid.

Then, with a lot of repeating then the stupid might understand, and a small minority might vote to continue the Republic.

There is hope for some of the stupid.

Ohioboy

(3,243 posts)
52. You make a good point that not all Republican voters are Trumpers
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 08:56 PM
Dec 2021

That, in my opinion, was why Republicans won down ballot races in areas where Trump lost in 2020. It just might work that way again in the midterms if enough non-trump republicans stay sensible enough to vote against trumpism.

Bettie

(16,121 posts)
55. So, "unity" is hewing to the view of the most rightward among us?
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 09:08 PM
Dec 2021

To accept without complaint or comment whatever Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema are willing to allow?

Doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me.

But, OK, I'll give it a shot: Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema are the very best, we should do whatever they are willing to allow! (See, even an exclamation point to indicate excitement about watching our democracy die!)

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
58. No. It's making sure Republicans don't win.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 09:04 AM
Dec 2021

Do you live in WV or AZ? If not, those two will not be on your ballot. So vote for Democrats and encourage others to do the same. How hard is that to understand?

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
63. Yes!
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:05 PM
Dec 2021

Unity of the majority is our superpower. But . . . it means supporting those who may not check the political purity box. In 2022, a "D" behind a candidate's name is the requirement and we zero in on the insanity of the Republican Party.

Democrats are a coalition party which means we come in a variety of stripes and political perspectives. The thing that unites us is we believe in the American experiment, our democratic, constitutional Republic. Republicans have demonstrated at every turn that they do not.

We do not have the luxury of claiming 'lack of excitement' or falling for the Republican narrative that 'both parties are the same.' The differences are now raw, in living color.

We need to beat these bastards everywhere.

There's only one party willing to fight for the continuance of the United States. That's on us because this is the moment we need to rally, come together and win in every corner of the country. No slacking, no staying home or throwing our hands up in frustration.

We fight the good fight now or we may never have another opportunity.

Btw, in case people haven't noticed: President Biden's numbers are ticking up.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
65. Anyone who doesn't understand that and argues
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:49 PM
Dec 2021

against suggestions that we do better about unifying is either not thinking it through or something. I hope to help people think it through. For those who argue because "something," I figure something is going on there.

Elections are a binary thing. We win them or we lose them. If we win enough of them, we get to lead. If not, the other side makes the decisions. Binary.

There's not a lot of nuance in elections on a nationwide basis. We win or we lose.

I suggest we focus on winning.

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