Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:35 PM
Pantagruel (2,397 posts)
Impatience with Garland's pace of prosecution
We all share it but I've counseled patience for multiple reasons found here.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16157873 The ONE argument I can't easily refute is why hasn't MG appointed a special counsel? Admittedly I don't know the current rule regarding a SC appointment but I do know it's harder to get one since Clinton got railroaded. Anyone know the rules about getting a SC.
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Pantagruel | Dec 2021 | OP |
rso | Dec 2021 | #1 | |
Budi | Dec 2021 | #2 | |
Hoyt | Dec 2021 | #3 | |
leftstreet | Dec 2021 | #4 | |
JohnSJ | Dec 2021 | #5 | |
Budi | Dec 2021 | #6 | |
Pantagruel | Dec 2021 | #8 | |
JanMichael | Dec 2021 | #18 | |
Budi | Dec 2021 | #20 | |
Pantagruel | Dec 2021 | #7 | |
onenote | Dec 2021 | #9 | |
Chin music | Dec 2021 | #16 | |
brush | Dec 2021 | #10 | |
Pantagruel | Dec 2021 | #11 | |
brush | Dec 2021 | #14 | |
Poiuyt | Dec 2021 | #19 | |
brush | Dec 2021 | #21 | |
abqtommy | Dec 2021 | #12 | |
Pantagruel | Dec 2021 | #13 | |
abqtommy | Dec 2021 | #15 | |
Chin music | Dec 2021 | #17 |
Response to Pantagruel (Original post)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:42 PM
rso (1,901 posts)
1. Special Counsel
Not difficult at all. Mueller was a Special Counsel, appointed by the Attorney General and reporting to the Deputy Attorney General. So in this case, Garland would be the one to appoint, and DAG Lisa Monaco would be the Special Counsel’s direct boss.
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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:50 PM
Budi (15,325 posts)
2. The SC process is a lot more difficult than writing a trendy meme, that for sure!
Which is about all we're hearing from those great wise minds of leadership.
Trendy memes, quotes & bullshit statements are easy. Regaing an SC balance is far from doable with the lack of support Biden would need. Considering the opposing support he has right now, the SC new-hire would be as bad as what we have now. It's doubtful he'd get the one we need. |
Response to Pantagruel (Original post)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:50 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
3. Maybe MG knows there is no DIRECT evidence tying trump to Jan 6.
Further, two investigations might appear too much.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:51 PM
leftstreet (34,851 posts)
4. This seems obvious
but maybe we'll be surprised
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:56 PM
Budi (15,325 posts)
6. MG is right to let the J6 committee proceed 1st.
Last edited Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:27 AM - Edit history (1) He's not going to run 2 countering investigations at the same time.
They will be stronger when run consecutively. J6 can refer to DOJ, their findings on criminality. This is smart considering who they're all dealing with. Its an international criminal organization, not a simple legal fix. |
Response to Budi (Reply #6)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:32 PM
JanMichael (24,371 posts)
18. Run concurrent? I don't think you meant that. Nt
Response to JanMichael (Reply #18)
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:26 AM
Budi (15,325 posts)
20. Thank you. Lets change that to consecutive.
Response to Pantagruel (Original post)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:58 PM
Pantagruel (2,397 posts)
7. Just found this
LII Electronic Code of Federal Regulations (e-CFR) Title 28 - Judicial Administration CHAPTER VI - OFFICES OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PART 600 - GENERAL POWERS OF SPECIAL COUNSEL § 600.1 Grounds for appointing a Special Counsel.
28 CFR § 600.1 - Grounds for appointing a Special Counsel. CFR prev | next § 600.1 Grounds for appointing a Special Counsel. The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted and - (a) That investigation or prosecution of that person or matter by a United States Attorney's Office or litigating Division of the Department of Justice would present a conflict of interest for the Department or other extraordinary circumstances; and (b) That under the circumstances, it would be in the public interest to appoint an outside Special Counsel to assume responsibility for the matter. Maybe MG determined there's no "conflict of interest" for his DOJ ? |
Response to Pantagruel (Reply #7)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:16 PM
onenote (39,055 posts)
9. Saying there is a conflict of interest would undermine the
DOJ’s handling of any case involving anyone tied to the Trump administration.
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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #7)
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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:25 PM
brush (46,161 posts)
10. He's had plenty of time. There should've been scores of indictments...
by now. We saw the seditious rally and the insurrection that followed it on national TV. We also saw the inaction to stop it by the trump cabal.
We need a more active, aggresive AG. IMO there was a sense among Dems that Garland was owed something because McTurtle stole his SCOTUS seat, but of all the Biden administration appointments, AG was the wrong one for him. |
Response to brush (Reply #10)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:30 PM
Pantagruel (2,397 posts)
11. Consider the consequences
of firing MG. We don't want that.
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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #11)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:00 PM
brush (46,161 posts)
14. It's too late to fire him. Someone putting a fire under him would help though.
Response to brush (Reply #14)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:28 PM
Poiuyt (17,665 posts)
19. And by someone, you mean Biden?
I'm sure it's crossed Biden's mind
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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:45 PM
abqtommy (14,118 posts)
12. Add to this concern the fact that everyone who has been convicted and sentenced so
far has received very light sentences for the high crime of treason and I wonder how
long we're gonna let this go on. |
Response to abqtommy (Reply #12)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:59 PM
Pantagruel (2,397 posts)
13. Technically, I think the crime
is sedition , not treason. Statutes/penalties are different.
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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #13)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:10 PM
abqtommy (14,118 posts)
15. Okay, I found this information from Merriam-Webster online:
Examples of sedition in a Sentence:
He was also charged with terrorism and sedition, both of which can result in life in prison. — Washington Post, 15 Nov. 2021 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sedition I just don't like all this pussy-footing that's going on. |
Response to abqtommy (Reply #15)
Chin music This message was self-deleted by its author.