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Millions of fellow would-be insurrectionists will be there, too, Nieznany says, "a ticking time-bomb" targeting the Capitol. "There are lots of fully armed people wondering what's happening to this country," he says. "Are we going to let Biden keep destroying it? Or do we need to get rid of him? We're only going to take so much before we fight back." The 2024 election, he adds, may well be the trigger.
Nieznany is no loner. His political comments on the social-media site Quora received 44,000 views in the first two weeks of November and more than 4 million overall. He is one of many rank-and-file Republicans who own guns and in recent months have talked openly of the need to take downby force if necessarya federal government they see as illegitimate, overreaching and corrosive to American freedom.
The phenomenon goes well beyond the growth of militias, which have been a feature of American life at least since the Ku Klux Klan rose to power after the Civil War. Groups like the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, which took part in the January 6th riot at the Capitol and may have played organizational roles, have grown in membership. Law enforcement has long tracked and often infiltrated these groups. What Nieznany represents is something else entirely: a much larger and more diffuse movement of more-or-less ordinary people, stoked by misinformation, knitted together by social media and well-armed. In 2020, 17 million Americans bought 40 million guns and in 2021 were on track to add another 20 million. If historical trends hold, the buyers will be overwhelmingly white, Republican and southern or rural.
https://www.newsweek.com/2021/12/31/millions-angry-armed-americans-stand-ready-seize-power-if-trump-loses-2024-1660953.html
Many evangelical churches in red areas of the US are little more than meet-ups for TFG loving fascist militias. DOJ please pay attention.
Sanity Claws
(21,853 posts)How many of them will be 6 feet under by 2024?
dem4decades
(11,304 posts)And those Trump supporters in the military may split off during the next insurrection. This country is fucked.
Firestorm49
(4,037 posts)Amishman
(5,559 posts)And here we are, still clawing for every seat.
dem4decades
(11,304 posts)we were better off before.
Lovie777
(12,329 posts)Knight of the Middle
(63 posts)Give 'em Liberty and give 'em Death!
634-5789
(4,175 posts)TFG is still losing ground as people realize he's nothing more than a lying grifter. Sure, there's fears od militia types, but there's also the Marines, Army, and military that will put the kibosh on any of their coup plans. Jan. 6 was a reminder how fragile democracy is and people are waking up to that hard fact.
Ferryboat
(923 posts)Many are supporters of tfg. The very fact that FOX news is on every tv screen on base is a cause for concern.
634-5789
(4,175 posts)Gotta put the pandemic in the rear view mirror FIRST.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)happened again? Seems that they are concerned about some commanders, soldiers backing the flushed turd.
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)What ever happened to Hitler?
Firestorm49
(4,037 posts)Helping people live a better life? Rebuilding infrastructure? Fighting for the right of every American to have a free and fair election? Wanting clean air and water? Wanting to diminish the results of our cowboy mentality with reasonable gun legislation? Putting people back to work in the clean energy sector? I just dont understand what the lunatic fringe sees as an undermining of America.
Apparently they dont have the ability to read. They can not grasp the dangers and elimination of nearly all civil rights that come with a dictatorship. So therefore, I deduce its just what Hillary said, theyre deplorables, unable to think or read for themselves. Dangerous deplorables.
And that, ladies and gentlemen is what were left to deal with as we sadly hear more and more about civil war. If Democrats are guilty of anything, and I hope Im wrong, its of not taking our current situation seriously enough. As AOC said this morning, its past the time of being nice. Its time to put on the gloves and fight hard, just like the other side dies with no remorse.
essaynnc
(801 posts)All they know is what they hear on Faux... Democratically controlled cities are war zones, Nancy eats babies, the squad are jihadists, all Democrats are socialists, Biden is just a puppet for the Kabal, etc., etc. That shit has to be countered!!!!
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)As the other person who responded said, there a an extreme chasm between what Democrats are actually trying to do and what people like Nieznany are hearing that Democrats are doing.
Everything you said was accurate about the activities and intentions of Democratic leaders.
What people like Nieznany are hearing is that Democrats are authoritarian socialist, communist, Satan worshiping, child sex trafficking elitists who are trying to destroy the "White man" and end western civilization. We are fundamentally evil and Joe Biden is a radical leftist, or is weak and being controlled by radical leftists.
If you ask them to explain ANY of the terms they spew, or give any evidence of the actions which they suggest are happening, you will get a rant about "deep state" cover ups, conspiracies of the elite, etc... and no coherent information.
People like this man, have been told that ALL media, except right wing media, is working to keep people asleep so that this cabal of evil people can do away with their way of life.
Fullduplexxx
(7,870 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)from suburbs etc into towns and cities (with often different population demographics) to seize government centers, and we can just imagine how that'd go over even if they didn't have to detour through woods, climb fences, and wade creeks only to be stopped farther on. November, too, so a little chilly and wet in much of the nation.
Mary in S. Carolina
(1,364 posts)own guns Mr. Nieznany that are younger, smarter and much more fit than you, you maggot.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,657 posts)And they would have to schedule the insurrection on the weekend, because their boss wouldnt give them the day off to launch a revolution.
pecosbob
(7,543 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)I think the likelihood is much greater of widespread violence, encouraged by the same people who encouraged 1/6/21.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Mosby
(16,358 posts)Newsweek is trash.
sarisataka
(18,774 posts)Of dozens of old men shuffling up the handicapped entrance while hundreds more drive around DC with their left blinker on as they try to find a parking place.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)There are 400,000,000 guns in the US. For the last 10 years or so there have been 15,000,000 more added every year, mostly AR-15 style rifles and semi auto handguns. 40% of households have guns (250,000,000 households x .4 = 100,000,000). Of those 3% own half of those guns (3,000,000). That works out to 66 guns per gun nut. Who are these people, what do they plan with 66 guns each?
On the other hand there are only 6,000,000 guns in the hands of ALL law enforcement AND military.
The military has two things that nullify the numerical advantage: Superior heavy armaments (drones, helicopters, armor) and Command and Control. Even so, if even 1/3 of the gun nuts rise up there's going to be a lot of blood and death. They will not win but the cost of victory will be high.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Elessar Zappa
(14,063 posts)Its the small percentage like the oathkeepers and other militi groups that the DOJ needs to focus on. Theyre capable of creating some havoc if theyre not properly dealt with.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)who are not in sympathy with violent uprising. By definition, of course, most would be home and not in the streets fighting for or against either side.
BannonsLiver
(16,460 posts)The end for Mike. Better come with more than geezers.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,212 posts)I doubt it's that many.
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)If just one percent of the adult population believe like this fool, that is abut 2 million people.
I agree that this is being blown out of proportion and hyped to get eyes on a story, but I would not dismiss it out of hand.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)Do they believe that we'll just bow to our new overlords without even a whimper? There a many more of us than of them. Even if most people on our side lack the sense of urgency and anger that is necessary, those who DO pay attention and are just as pissed off STILL outnumber the nuts on the other side.
Kaleva
(36,351 posts)Despite millions who voted for Trump and who live within easy driving distance of the Capital, only about 30k from all over the country where in DC on 1/6
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to puff up their claims, in that city anyway. One big playoff game has at very least 3 times any crowd tRump has ever drawn and usually many times as many.
keep_left
(1,792 posts)...all the three-letter agencies know yet another deplorable in need of surveillance.
SKKY
(11,822 posts)....that doesn't happen. So yea, fuck around and find out.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Democrats have guns too. Good luck to them. They will fucking need it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)uprisings, although constitutionality has never been ruled on by SCOTUS.
WaPo:
* The first, codified at 10 U.S.C. § 251, traces all the way back to the 1792 act and allows the president to use troops when requested by the state in which the crisis is taking place.
* The second, codified at 10 U.S.C. § 252, traces to the 1861 act and allows the president to use troops, even without a state request.
* And 10 U.S.C. § 253, derived from the 1871 act, likewise allows the president to send troops when any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy prevents enforcement of state laws in a manner that deprives residents of that state of their federal constitutional rights.
The statute requires the president to issue a formal proclamation before invoking any of these powers. But once he does, there is no intrinsic limit on how long he can use federal troops to enforce federal law.
The Insurrection Act may not be constitutional. Its been 28 years since a president last used federal regulars on U.S. soil for domestic law enforcement, when President George H.W. Bush sent troops into Los Angeles amid the Rodney King riots, at the request of Gov. Pete Wilson (R). Invoking the statute has also been unpopular thats why President George W. Bush refused to do so without a state request in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
lindysalsagal
(20,733 posts)probably will keep changing the dates, even after he's dead. I'm sure they will start a resurrection Qanon.