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Hillary posted this about West Virginia (Original Post) iemanja Dec 2021 OP
Manchin is saying they use the money for drugs JI7 Dec 2021 #1
Yes, and Manchin needs to stop spouting classist b.s. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #11
I'd Say It's More Of A Nod To... GB_RN Dec 2021 #37
He's a corrupt prick who doesn't give a shit about his constituents. Magoo48 Dec 2021 #41
I think you are right about wnylib Dec 2021 #45
And 3auld6phart Dec 2021 #24
Manchin doesn't represent the people of West Virginia liberal N proud Dec 2021 #2
I've been told that corporations are people gratuitous Dec 2021 #20
yes ampm Dec 2021 #35
yes ampm Dec 2021 #36
When there are only 50 non-GOP Senators Vlad needs kompromat on only one RainCaster Dec 2021 #3
This. bamagal62 Dec 2021 #4
He and/or McConnell had this planned two seconds after the Ga elections. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #16
This is why I don't buy that he is acting this way AZProgressive Dec 2021 #5
This is why it's obvious there is more going on with personalities Nixie Dec 2021 #6
That's just psychology 101. summer_in_TX Dec 2021 #8
They were corrupt long before they got confronted about being corrupt. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #17
Those who are guilty always resent having their cimes publicized DBoon Dec 2021 #21
Yes! betsuni Dec 2021 #13
Corrupt leaders don't want any complaints about their corruption. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #19
You really only need ONE Republican. James48 Dec 2021 #7
Promise that the US will never ban assault weapons Polybius Dec 2021 #9
That's old school politics. Today the game is CU grift. Tommymac Dec 2021 #10
Irrelenvant quakerboy Dec 2021 #12
It's Never About What The People Want DallasNE Dec 2021 #14
The people of WV are clearly not his constituents. onecaliberal Dec 2021 #15
Maybe if those "Somewhat Supporters" could communicate their issues, we'd win. Hoyt Dec 2021 #18
Manchin does NOT work for the people of WVa kwolf68 Dec 2021 #22
He will never leave dem party childfreebychoice Dec 2021 #23
I hope you're right iemanja Dec 2021 #26
Yes, he does. Look at who else West Virginia votes for . They are happy with him JI7 Dec 2021 #25
+1 betsuni Dec 2021 #27
He was the incumbent. luvtheGWN Dec 2021 #30
He isn't the only one they have voted for. There are other people they have voted for and they are JI7 Dec 2021 #31
What donors? Why was he elected if WV voters didn't like him? betsuni Dec 2021 #28
No it's not. What a silly thing to say. NurseJackie Dec 2021 #32
Note also: 64% of the "Independents" support BBB. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #29
I hope Manchin thinks better of his position iemanja Dec 2021 #40
68 percent of West Virginia voters support Build Back Better. littlemissmartypants Dec 2021 #33
This guy is clearly pissing on democracy for his own evil reasons. lindysalsagal Dec 2021 #34
It's simply beyond imagination that the citizens of WV aren't 90% strongly in favor of BBB. Pepsidog Dec 2021 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #39
Manchin doesn't take orders from his voters. Jakes Progress Dec 2021 #42
+1 peppertree Dec 2021 #44
He is working for the benefit of himself. TNNurse Dec 2021 #43
I remember posting this exact same poll wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #46
Define "support"? Grins Dec 2021 #47
If you look up the poll iemanja Dec 2021 #48
Then why do they keep voting Republican? Glaisne Dec 2021 #49
This is Joe Manchin's last stand - he knows he won't be re-elected FakeNoose Dec 2021 #50

ShazzieB

(16,529 posts)
11. Yes, and Manchin needs to stop spouting classist b.s.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:42 PM
Dec 2021

P.S. I wish to hell autocorrect would stop trying to change "classist" to "classiest."

GB_RN

(2,384 posts)
37. I'd Say It's More Of A Nod To...
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 02:22 PM
Dec 2021

Reagan’s racist, dog-whistle, “welfare queen” bullshit. He knows what he’s saying because this is crap has been spewed by the Reichwingers over Medicaid and Welfare for decades (including implementing drug testing requirements).

Magoo48

(4,720 posts)
41. He's a corrupt prick who doesn't give a shit about his constituents.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 03:47 PM
Dec 2021

He will never change.

He will only do right if enough pressure is applied.

Apparently, WV citizens, as well as other Senate Dems, must apply much more pressure.

wnylib

(21,611 posts)
45. I think you are right about
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:05 PM
Dec 2021

the nod to Raygun and welfare queens. The comparison came to my mind as soon as I heard Manchin say it.

3auld6phart

(1,051 posts)
24. And
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 01:33 AM
Dec 2021

that would be in his daughters line of work.She is
the one that works a drug company. Jacked up the
price for the I-pen asthma drug??

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
20. I've been told that corporations are people
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:45 AM
Dec 2021

By a "reasonable" Republican Senator. From Utah, I believe. I wonder why the oh-so-reasonable Sen. Romney isn't backing Build Back Better? Or the very concerned Sen. Collins? Or any other Senator in the Republican caucus? Is it really a good re-election strategy to vote against the will of the people?

ampm

(301 posts)
35. yes
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:08 PM
Dec 2021

Maybe this is the message. So this can be used on Joe M. like are these the people you're talking about because the rest of the real people in your state disagree.

ampm

(301 posts)
36. yes
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:09 PM
Dec 2021

Maybe this is the message. So this can be used on Joe M. like are these the people you're talking about because the rest of the real people in your state disagree.

RainCaster

(10,916 posts)
3. When there are only 50 non-GOP Senators Vlad needs kompromat on only one
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:36 PM
Dec 2021

He's tied up our entire government by paying off (or blackmailing) only one or two in the Senate.

Irish_Dem

(47,423 posts)
16. He and/or McConnell had this planned two seconds after the Ga elections.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:21 AM
Dec 2021

No doubt about it.

Manchin's job is to damage Biden and our party as much as possible.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
5. This is why I don't buy that he is acting this way
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:07 PM
Dec 2021

Because of his constituents plus he is doing this with a D next to his name making the party look bad.

Nixie

(16,979 posts)
6. This is why it's obvious there is more going on with personalities
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:15 PM
Dec 2021

than the money/bill. This is payback for something. There’s a video of him today(?) saying he wasn’t going to be pushed around by anybody or by protestors.

summer_in_TX

(2,754 posts)
8. That's just psychology 101.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:26 PM
Dec 2021

Push too hard and you set up their backs.

Some pushed Justice Breyer hard, so he decided he wasn't leaving the bench now.

Surrounding Sinema in the elevator – way too much.

The flotillas out to Manchin's yacht, etcetera, etcetera. I'd be in a mulishly stubborn state myself if I'd been targeted like that.

They need to back the hell off. Just saying.

Irish_Dem

(47,423 posts)
17. They were corrupt long before they got confronted about being corrupt.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:25 AM
Dec 2021

And will still be corrupt long after.

Irish_Dem

(47,423 posts)
19. Corrupt leaders don't want any complaints about their corruption.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:35 AM
Dec 2021

We are supposed to shut up and take it.

James48

(4,440 posts)
7. You really only need ONE Republican.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:21 PM
Dec 2021

And the vote flips.

Promise Sen. Lisa Murkowski a new freeway, or something. How about a bridge? A Murkowski Airport?

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
10. That's old school politics. Today the game is CU grift.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:34 PM
Dec 2021

Why work hard politickin' to get money for your district to impress voters when you can sit back and collect corporate handout$ (both above and below the table) from $pecial Interest lobbyists and Dark Money?

Especially since voters don't actually matter to you anyhow if you are an authoritarian rethuglican who depends on fixing the vote using Putin's $$?

quakerboy

(13,921 posts)
12. Irrelenvant
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:52 PM
Dec 2021

The only part he cares about is how many West Virginians who are willing to make sure that Manchin and his clan are personally enriched support the BBB?

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
14. It's Never About What The People Want
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:00 AM
Dec 2021

It is always about what the billionaires that buy off the
politions want.

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
22. Manchin does NOT work for the people of WVa
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 01:00 AM
Dec 2021

He works for his donors. He's scum, he's corrupt and he is a PERFECT example of why the apathetic voting class sees little difference in the two sides.

And honestly, this is also on the Dem Party. They know what a snake this guy is and should have done whatever they needed to cut a deal with him to get his vote. LBJ type politicking. Manchin took everyone for a ride, got that other bill full of corporate gifts through and sank BBB, a bill that was a great thing. Did the Dems REALLY want BBB?

Manchin heading off to Faux Snooze was just another poke in the eye. What's the matter Joe? Was Newsmax not returning your calls? The fact he ran to Faux is odd. I think he likes being relevant and he knows the Faux News dingasses will fawn all over him for his statesmanship. Manchin will be completely irrelevant if he succeeds in killing Joe Biden's administration and if Biden does lose in 2024 do not think for a moment the Republicans will want you at their lunch table. You're a useful tool Manchin.

JI7

(89,271 posts)
25. Yes, he does. Look at who else West Virginia votes for . They are happy with him
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 02:25 AM
Dec 2021

they give him high approval numbers and Biden low approval numbers.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
30. He was the incumbent.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:18 AM
Dec 2021

We know that name recognition has far more to do with why someone gets elected or re-elected than just about anything else. Of course, you need a great deal of money and donor support to run, and that's where the platform on which you stand can (and sadly, does) shift a great deal.

JI7

(89,271 posts)
31. He isn't the only one they have voted for. There are other people they have voted for and they are
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:20 AM
Dec 2021

all very similar . He is the most liberal of them all.

betsuni

(25,634 posts)
28. What donors? Why was he elected if WV voters didn't like him?
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:02 AM
Dec 2021

One senator is an example of the whole party? Why are you blaming the Democratic Party for what one senator does? LBJ couldn't convince enough Democrats to pass the civil rights act, he got Republican votes.

"Did the Dems REALLY want BBB"? What are you even talking about? Both sides! Both sides! That bullshit that "corporate Dems" are all corrupt is REALLT old. What evidence do you have that Democrats are corrupt?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
32. No it's not. What a silly thing to say.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:23 AM
Dec 2021
And honestly, this is also on the Dem Party.
No it's not. What a silly thing to say.

Did the Dems REALLY want BBB?
Stop. Just stop. This is embarrassing.

iemanja

(53,072 posts)
40. I hope Manchin thinks better of his position
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 03:33 PM
Dec 2021

In the face of all the blowback he's gotten. It's interesting how many Independents support the bill. They must be Manchin votes, or at least a good chunk of them are.

lindysalsagal

(20,733 posts)
34. This guy is clearly pissing on democracy for his own evil reasons.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:03 PM
Dec 2021

His constituents don't matter: He can never lose that seat, anyway.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
38. It's simply beyond imagination that the citizens of WV aren't 90% strongly in favor of BBB.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 02:25 PM
Dec 2021

Free money paid mainly from Blue States and they would rather live in squalor and poverty. Way to go WV.

Response to iemanja (Original post)

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
43. He is working for the benefit of himself.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:11 PM
Dec 2021

He cares not about those who he is supposed to be working for.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
46. I remember posting this exact same poll
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:14 PM
Dec 2021

and a whole bunch of Manchin deadenders here on DU tried to tell me that this poll was fake.

Wonder where they are now?

Grins

(7,231 posts)
47. Define "support"?
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:31 PM
Dec 2021

Because I’m betting as soon as this is out of the news they will have no problem with Manchin or the GOP. Will that 68% turn out and vote for someone else?

FakeNoose

(32,767 posts)
50. This is Joe Manchin's last stand - he knows he won't be re-elected
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 07:40 PM
Dec 2021

This is his final term, because the voters of West Virginia do NOT want him back.

That's not to say that he won't be replaced by someone EVEN WORSE than he is.
Because yes, he WILL be replaced by someone even worse. It will be a Repuke for sure.
Somebody funded by the coal companies. That is a given.

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