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(14,559 posts)
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 03:41 PM Dec 2021

Two totally unrelated facts that can't possibly have any relationship.

Between 2019 and 2021, 17 million people — including 5 million children — were newly exposed to guns in homes. 

The new data show the US homicide rate increased from about six homicides per 100,000 people in 2019 to 7.8 per 100,000 in 2020, according to NCHS.

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Two totally unrelated facts that can't possibly have any relationship. (Original Post) AndyS Dec 2021 OP
Could also be related to Covid lockdowns. nt Crunchy Frog Dec 2021 #1
There were reports out months ago about a surge in domestic violence events... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #2
Lots of people getting ready for the coming civil war. Crunchy Frog Dec 2021 #4
neighbor to neighbor shit, too. mopinko Dec 2021 #6
I am sure those facts are related. In fact, they surely drive the data. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2021 #3
Hey man, world wide wally Dec 2021 #5
30% increase in 2 years. It's a gundemic! patphil Dec 2021 #7
Anyone who tries to moreland01 Dec 2021 #8
Absolutely! Rebl2 Dec 2021 #10
I bought one last year before the election. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2021 #9
I read an article in Newsweek last night NJCher Dec 2021 #11
They do think that. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2021 #14
There is a huge amount of shooting in deep blue cities that does not seem to trace to politics. Hangingon Dec 2021 #12
Truth. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2021 #13

Wounded Bear

(59,013 posts)
2. There were reports out months ago about a surge in domestic violence events...
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 03:45 PM
Dec 2021

starting around the initial shutdowns and lockouts due to covid.

Yeah, I could see a link. Sales of guns are up again from what I've heard in discussions about guns here and on other sites.


(70,693 posts)
6. neighbor to neighbor shit, too.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 04:37 PM
Dec 2021

i had a couple dust ups w neighbors last summer that i know carry. cops got called, but they flat out told me they werent getting into 'neighbor to neighbor issues'.

i'm guessing that isnt just in chicago.


(754 posts)
8. Anyone who tries to
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:41 PM
Dec 2021

relate this increase in homicides or gun violence in general to Joe Biden deserve a smack upside the head.


(13,777 posts)
10. Absolutely!
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:07 PM
Dec 2021

Murder rate where I am started going up a couple year’s ago. Last year it was highest it’s been since the mid nineties. This year there have been fewer homicides, but still to high. Still a lot of shootings without death. The years tfg was in office the homicides kept going up and more shootings in the suburbs now.


(3,551 posts)
9. I bought one last year before the election.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:42 PM
Dec 2021

I was that concerned about what Piss Wig’s minions might do if he won. I hadn’t had guns in years, I wouldn’t have them in my house after my wife and I had kids.

I’ve considered selling it off but things aren’t stable enough for me to be comfortable, even in a deep blue city.

It’s fucked up really. People shouldn’t have to be concerned about militia groups or fascist bully boys in America.


(36,077 posts)
11. I read an article in Newsweek last night
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:20 PM
Dec 2021

About how they think they're going to take over the country because they have more guns than Democrats:


Newsweek, as we know, is a r-w publication. I am thinking this article is being published sort of like a manifesto.


What Nieznany represents is something else entirely: a much larger and more diffuse movement of more-or-less ordinary people, stoked by misinformation, knitted together by social media and well-armed. In 2020, 17 million Americans bought 40 million guns and in 2021 were on track to add another 20 million. If historical trends hold, the buyers will be overwhelmingly white, Republican and southern or rural.

America's massive and mostly Republican gun-rights movement dovetails with a growing belief among many Republicans that the federal government is an illegitimate tyranny that must be overthrown by any means necessary. That combustible formula raises the threat of armed, large-scale attacks around the 2024 presidential election—attacks that could make the January 6 insurrection look like a toothless stunt by comparison. "The idea that people would take up arms against an American election has gone from completely farfetched to something we have to start planning for and preparing for," says University of California, Los Angeles law professor Adam Winkler, an expert on gun policy and constitutional law.



(3,551 posts)
14. They do think that.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 07:18 PM
Dec 2021

And it might be so as far as ownership, to an extent. But you can only use one gun at a time even if you own a million of them. I also very much doubt even the Proudest of Boys is willing to set foot into Chicago, Philly or any of the urban areas. They might think they outgun us but I’m not so sure.


(3,071 posts)
12. There is a huge amount of shooting in deep blue cities that does not seem to trace to politics.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:34 PM
Dec 2021

Drug business is bigger than ever.

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