I can't find a perspective on the Ashley Biden story.

[Cartoonist]

Just talk about the FBI and Project Veritas.

[MustLoveBeagles]

1. Is this about her stolen diary?

[Cartoonist]

2. Yes.

She sounds like a troubled girl.

[48656c6c6f20]

3. Just interested in this troubled "girl"

Or troubled girls in general? Although 40 seems kind of mature for a girl?

[BlackSkimmer]

4. Do you refer to males her age as "boys"?

[W_HAMILTON]

5. I imagine if you stole someone's diary and read their most private thoughts...

...and closely held secrets, a lot of people would come off as "troubled" to you.

[shrike3]

8. Exactly. n/t

[MustLoveBeagles]

6. Okay

I'd heard she had some issues when she was younger. I have no idea what the issues where nor do I care. No one is perfect. I'm sure that at 40 she's learned from and grown as a result of her earlier mistakes. On the other hand, I'm far more troubled that her diary was stolen. That's a serious violation of someone's privacy not to mention theft of their property. I don't remember if excerpts were actually published online or if there was only the threat of that. If it was just a threat we've got possible blackmail going on which is still a crime. All of this is pretty old news. Just curious what made you want to make a post about this?

[oldsoftie]

40. But WAS it stolen? Wasnt it left with other stuff at her former residence after she moved?

Does that equate a "theft"?

[MustLoveBeagles]

43. I was taking it as a given that it was stolen

Maybe I shouldn't have assumed that. I haven't followed this story very closely as I don't care about her personal life. If she left it behind that was pretty careless of her considering she's the daughter of a politician. Even if it wasn't a theft releasing the contents of it online whether under threat or not is still a crappy thing to do.

[Hekate]

47. Actually, I think it is theft. She didn't leave it on a park bench, but in a place she lived in...

… and from what I heard, planned to live in again. When one of my college roomies left for the summer, she arranged to sublet her spot pending her return. The temp roomie and I didn’t go through her belongings deciding what we wanted for ourselves.

[obamanut2012]

9. She is FORTY YEARS OLD

She is not a "girl." Rank sexism. Be better than this.

And, if you journaled and had your writings stolen, you would sound troubled, to.

[betsuni]

17. Girl? What child are you talking about?

[shrike3]

7. I've kept a diary on and off for years.

If you read it, you'd be convinced that my husband is a SOB and all my friends are idiots. Because I use it for venting. I put it on paper, and then feel much better.

The Ashley Biden stuff has me seriously thinking of destroying what I've written, and then continue destruction as I go along.

[applegrove]

14. Exactly. A diary is only a part of you. Maybe the parts you have no control over or your fears.

I was brought up to be pleasant and pollyannaish. My diaries were about how to see the darkness finally and be perceptive and know the whole wide world and to not be a doormat. You would not know I have so many good eggs in my life because I have ptsd send use my diary to vent. And to protect myself and others from the evil people in my life who got into it in 1988 but I did not start to figure it out till 1996. And all that I have figured out about them since or wonder about since. I don't use it to write down pleasant stuff or pleasant people or pleasant parts of my life. I am usually having an anxiety attack when I write. At least since I started getting anxiety attacks in 1996. And part of that writing is my side of the street... the things I did wrong. Which were limited. I never did anything to the guy who came after me for no reason. I've never done anything to him since.

[shrike3]

56. Sounds like me exactly.

I'm glad journaling has been a help to you; it certainly has been so for me. And I'm glad you have those good eggs in your life.

If I may be frank, the guy who came after you for no reason -- you did nothing wrong. It's all on him. If you didn't go after him -- he was lucky.

[applegrove]

59. I'm a creampuff reacting to information then imparting it to my diary. I go blank

when talking about it. I have issues with language. Not with visuals. Or visuals of language over the long term. Especially back when my life was simpler. Yes, it is on him. I was minding my own business. I would again but it doesn't seem possible. I think I have it all figured out and then something happens to make me realize he is dangerous to others. If I am afraid for others I can say it. And I do.

[shrike3]

60. Protect yourself. Unfortunately, you can't protect everybody else.

Hopefully, they will gain the knowledge you have and make use of it accordingly.

[LuckyCharms]

11. Do you have a link for that?

[LuckyCharms]

13. I mean a reputable link.

[Cartoonist]

15. They all say the same thing.

No one disputes it.

[LuckyCharms]

16. So you are not able to tell if the accusations are true

and the diary pages have not been doctored, and you have not been able to tell if someone is doing a hit job on POTUS because...no one disputes it?

[Cartoonist]

21. I would love to see another perspective.

Can you link to any?

[LuckyCharms]

29. I did a search, and

all the links do in fact say this "fact" is true. The links all say the same thing, pretty much verbatim.

What you will not see is OTHER LINKS within those links that go to any reputable source. You will not see any links going back to the New York Times, AND that the Times article proves your statement. You will not find any information that verifies, by more than one source, that the diary is indeed authentic, AND that the publicly posted diary pages have not been doctored.

The links you are reading are akin to someone sitting in their basement, typing something up on Facebook, or on a blog, stating it as fact, and several hundred people reactiing positively to it because it confirms their bias.

I have no opinion on the matter one way or another, because until it is proven, the accusation does not even exist in my mind.

I will try to state this as kindly as I can:

1) The reason you can't find any other "perspectives" is because there are no other perspectives.

2) Anyone can create a website and state whatever suits their interests. I can say that I'm really Elvis, and then post a picture of Elvis as "proof".

3) You might want to be careful of stating something in your comments because you read it somewhere, or heard it somewhere.

[Hekate]

49. I think you are "getting another perspective" for sure. Ours. nt

[Demsrule86]

68. I would never link a hit job story like this...I would delete this if I were you.

[shrike3]

57. Disputes what?

[MustLoveBeagles]

45. Oh dear god! Seriously?!

I feel like I've opened a can of worms by responding to your thread. I don't believe for one moment that Joe did this. I'm not sure I want to open the link if it's from a RW source.

[dpibel]

53. READ WHAT'S AT THIS LINK

Sorry to shout.

But, really. If you actually sully yourself by following the OP's irrefutable evidence it is:

1) Written by a person for whom English is a second or more language;

2) A stack of assertions and suppositions; and

3) Patent bullshit.

This kind of nonsense ought not be tolerated.

[dpibel]

55. Oh. Post Removed.

I'm sure not going to repost the link.

Suffice to say that one of the supporting elements of this damning evedentiary post was a tweet from Loren Boebert.

And, seriously, it wasn't in what you'd call actual English.

To the extent that the OP really thought there was all kinds of corroboration, it was because the craptastic post the OP relied on claimed, without links, that "the Times" said all this was for sure true, probably, or something.

[Hekate]

18. "Should Joe resign?" You say this with a presumably straight face.

I don’t even have words.

Wait, yes I do. Not just No, but HELL NO. Not just HELL NO, but FCK NO.

[Hekate]

28. Where has she made these accusations? In public? In an interview on CBS or NBC? In an op-ed...

… in the NYT, WaPo, or other credible newspaper?

Or is this “accusation of rape” something that is alleged to reside in a computer she used for a diary? A computer that got left behind with a roommate? And then was allegedly hacked open by a long-term enemy of all things Democratic?

I don’t think calling her a “girl” is your main problem here, Cartoonist.

Edited to add: You say you think Joe is innocent. How does that square with the other things you said and the way you said them? The accusation is one helluva smear in its presentation.

[MustLoveBeagles]

46. I guess I showed my age earlier

I thought it was a handwritten diary not on a computer.

[Hekate]

50. That's okay. It is astonishing how many people still have this idea that their personal computer...

… will not and cannot be read by anyone else. It’s not even an age thing.

[LuckyCharms]

38. Well, I never said you were a bad guy.

I have no idea.

I don't know you.

What people are asking for is irrefutable proof that what you posted as a fact is true.

[dpibel]

19. You seem mighty concerned

It concerns me.

That you are so entirely and innocently concerned.

Very troubling.

[Hekate]

20. I, too, am concerned about his concern. nt

[sheshe2]

34. If I remember correctly, and I do....

The GOP was very, very concerned about Hunters laptop.

This is such bullshit.

[Hekate]

44. Yes. This is such old GOP manure that I am outraged that any Dem whatsoever could credit it..

…for even a moment. Especially with Project Veritas behind it.

[sheshe2]

51. Well this place turned to shit since I lasted checked in.

Let's trash Joe. Project Veritas says it all.'
Gah!

[Hekate]

52. Well the OP rather definitively lost this attempt to smear Joe Biden: two posts down & counting...

“Another perspective” my rosy Irish ass. He accused me of fronting for Free Republic in one of my replies criticizing him.

I do hope his original post is left up, because we do seem to be having a satisfying time giving him that other perspective.

[Celerity]

66. Join the club.

He accused me of fronting for Free Republic in one of my replies criticizing him.

This is a resurgent go-to smear for some posters here now. Had it done to me by someone all because I called bullshit (in pretty fair documented detail) on their ludicrous prediction of 1.4 million new US deaths just from Omicron over the next several months.

[Skittles]

23. what does Ashley herself say?

seems very convenient that repukes would come across excerpts that support their delusions

[Cartoonist]

25. That's what I'm trying to find out.

The only thing I've found is that Ashley confirms that the diary is real.

[dpibel]

27. "Found to be authentic"?

Your own damned source says, in its second paragraph, "A copy of President Joe Biden’s daughter’s diary has allegedly proven to be real."

So your impeccable source, which says the same thing as everyone else you can't link to, starts out by saying it's been authenticated, and follows by saying the authentication is alleged.

Wuzzup here?

[Cartoonist]

30. Ashley confirms that the diary is authentic.

Yes, I question the source of that information. That is why I am looking for other perspectives.
I don't like having this thrown in my face and not being able to reply.

[Skittles]

31. I find it absurd that this is "thrown in your face"

I mean, come on

[Hekate]

32. Where does she allegedly confirm its alleged contents?

[DEM1955]

24. False claims

thinking they can hurt our president, it won't work.

[cadoman]

26. Joe is a great father, the diary is evidence of nothing

No accredited source is reporting on it so you can see why the story ends there for most of us. The nation's top journalists have done the investigation and determined there is nothing unsavory there for us to know about. Probably just a young woman's musings gone astray.

You can see in all the photos and videos how well Joe connects with everyone and it's impossible for any sane person to even begin to speculate that anything bad has happened in that family.

Now if you want to talk about a mess of a family with likely incest, with drumpf even talking about how attractive his daughter is, there you go. But frankly I think the whole child sex trafficking angle is largely a gqp idea that has little bearing in reality. We have an FBI to investigate such matters and they are _highly_ effective.

[Cartoonist]

33. No accredited source is reporting on it

Has the New York Times fallen that far out of favor?

I can't get past their paywall.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/16/us/politics/ashley-biden-project-veritas-diary.amp.html

[cadoman]

35. I don't have a sub but I think it's just saying O'Keefe stole the diary..

..and is being investigated for that. NYT isn't saying Biden actually did any of what the diary said or if it's just random musings of a young woman.

Do you really believe Biden would do those sorts of things? Or that the FBI wouldn't have raised the alarm if they suspected something? It's insanity. He is a great father and likely will go down as one of the greatest Presidents in history.

You could say there was smoke, but the fire crew has already been out and verified it was a false alarm.

[XRubicon]

36. Hey! You found it!

Are you a real cartoonist? Let me guess, you draw Dilbert?

[Hekate]

42. Ouch

[tenderfoot]

65. No, Prickly City

Or was it Mallard Fillmore?

[LuckyCharms]

37. I can't get past it either. So what does it say?

Probably nothing that confirms your statements.

[dpibel]

48. If you can't get past their paywall

then you don't know what the article says.

How hard is this?

Too hard for some, it appears.

[Crunchy Frog]

62. I know you can't reply to this post, since you've flamed yourself out,

but I did read the NYT article, and in fact had already read it a week or so ago.

There's absolutely NOTHING in it about Ashley making any accusations against her father.

It only talk about how the diary was (illicitly) obtained and used to try to blackmail Biden into agreeing to interview with Project Veritas just before the election.

This all happened more than a year ago. If there was anything there, don't you think it would have blown up by now?

Your post is extremely misleading, and I guess you're relying on the fact that many people can't access the article as a means to spread innuendo.

There is literally nothing there of what you are suggesting.

[DEM1955]

39. I read the NYT article

and it sounds like a big nothing burger.

[Hekate]

41. My mind flashes back to numerous well-authenticated photos of The Former Guy with his own daughter

Photos taken by a magazine photog, and published, of him lying on her bed with her, in very suggestive (albeit clothed) poses. She’s about 12, judging from the contours of her face.

Another photo of the two of them in a very public place, again, she’s about twelve, very long-legged, not well-developed in the bosom, wearing short-shorts and a crop-top. She is on his lap — unquestionably lap-dancing. A couple of onlookers are shocked. He has that patented Donald Trump smirk that says: “Yeah, I am. What are you gonna do about it?”

I could go on in nauseating detail. All these photos were taken with Trump’s consent with a view to publication.

Why do you think this alleged story about the Bidens is out there now? Who do you think is behind it? — (Do you really think we were right to crucify Al Franken? Did we gain anything by it?)

Do you remember The Hunting of the President? When Bill Clinton was pursued and impeached? Do you recall that every godsdamned one of his male persecutors was shtupping everything in a skirt? No? Well, they were, every damned one of them. And oddly enough, they were all GOPpers.

[dpibel]

54. What would possess a person?

Let us imagine that you have a person who created a DU identity 12 years ago, give or take, strictly hypothetically speaking.

I cannot fathom what it would be about a Project Veritas sponsored, lightly sourced, potentially scandalous story that would make such a hypothetical person decide that this was the owning-the-libs moment to uncloak, to let them have it with a blast of Project-Veritas truth fire.

The cited source is laughable.

The "ahh...hummina...hummina...EVERYBODY AGREES" unsourced burbling.

So obvious.

Can anyone speculate what it would be that would inspire this?

I mean, really: ASHLEEEYI BIDUN confezz that her dad is A PERV!!#11!

That is where you detonate 12 years of cred?

(I haven't looked to see whether this was a sleeper ID that just woke up. Maybe that's it.)

Just an exercise in hypothetical thinking for those of us who have been around a while, yunnerstan.

[Hekate]

70. One wonders, doesn't one

[shrike3]

58. This is one of the weirdest posts I've ever seen.

And I've been around a lot longer than my post count indicates.

[JI7]

63. Just sounds like a version of the Hunter Biden Laptop thing but this time with his Sister and a

Diary instead .

[shrike3]

69. I meant the OP themselves.

Throwing out these terse statements which provide little to now information.

[Mr.Bill]

61. The bottom line is

if there was any factual basis to this story, every news network would be shouting it from the rooftops. They aren't.

[tenderfoot]

64. Sealion

[Demsrule86]

67. What perspective...yours is the first post I have seen on this matter and it is one too many.

Ashley Biden is 40 years old and not a 'girl'. And if something of hers was stolen in order to embarrass her or Pres. Biden. I hope the perpetrator spends a little time in the pokey and I don't need perspective on this at all.

[MineralMan]

71. What perspective are you seeking?

This is a strange post, I think. There is no there, there, so there is no perspective there.

Embarrassing!