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Joinfortmill

(14,473 posts)
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 05:50 PM Dec 2021

OMG! This will likely make the Proud Boys throw their fearful leader under the bus.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-proud-boys-2656167211/

Trump seems to throw the Proud Boys under the bus for Capitol riots in new legal filing

In his effort to have a lawsuit accusing him of sparking the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol dismissed, former President Donald Trump is arguing he's not responsible for the violent actions his supporters took, Bloomberg reports.

“Speakers at political rallies do not owe a duty of care to members of Congress or Capitol Police Officers not at the rally,” Trump’s lawyer Jesse Binnall said in the Dec. 24 court filing.

Trump's team argued that his words on Jan. 6 were in line with a president’s right to “take advantage of the bully pulpit.”

"The complaint, which also names right-wing groups like the Proud Boys, alleges many of the defendants 'planned, aided, and actively participated in that attack' and that 'all defendants are responsible for it,'" Bloomberg reports.
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OMG! This will likely make the Proud Boys throw their fearful leader under the bus. (Original Post) Joinfortmill Dec 2021 OP
TFG no longer sees them as useful. sakabatou Dec 2021 #1
He's replicating Hitler's purge of the brownshirts EYESORE 9001 Dec 2021 #6
👍 Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #34
Night of the Long Knives Poiuyt Dec 2021 #44
No when they can be jettisoned to lighten his load Fullduplexxx Dec 2021 #7
true rockfordfile Dec 2021 #43
Ha Ha Ha Faux pas Dec 2021 #2
I see he's still hiring quality lawyers dflprincess Dec 2021 #3
They better get paid up front Miguelito Loveless Dec 2021 #12
What happened to good people on both sides? patphil Dec 2021 #4
They're going to have to build a bus bigger than the world has ever seen... spanone Dec 2021 #5
No mention of his "presidential" duty to tweet them to stop the violence though. Justice matters. Dec 2021 #8
We know Shitler was in charge because these fidiots went home when he told them to. OMGWTF Dec 2021 #9
right-wing groups Skittles Dec 2021 #10
'all defendants are responsible for it,' dchill Dec 2021 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Achilleaze Dec 2021 #13
TFG Demands Loyalty From His Base - But.... global1 Dec 2021 #14
Weren't some of the defendants using the defense/excuse that Trump told them to go there for just th keithbvadu2 Dec 2021 #15
👍 Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #35
The Fifth Avenue Theory is about to be tested. Grokenstein Dec 2021 #16
he already knows he is "TOAST " !!! monkeyman1 Dec 2021 #17
Oh, I do hope they throw him under the bus! ShazzieB Dec 2021 #18
👍 Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #36
Anyone else reminded of that classic, "The Big Bus"? SeattleVet Dec 2021 #19
He is forsaking his most loyal, drooling fan base. They are mentally challenged, Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #20
Gee, I didn't see violence coming Dirty Socialist Dec 2021 #45
TFG is negate or strike down as unconstitutional the concept of conspiracy LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2021 #21
Hope the pissed off Proud Boys testimony is broadcast live KS Toronado Dec 2021 #22
👍 Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #37
Was it Meadows who promised them a pardon? keithbvadu2 Dec 2021 #41
Waiting for official word from the Jan 6th committee KS Toronado Dec 2021 #46
Trump could forcibly sodomize their children in front of them, and they'd still worship him Orrex Dec 2021 #23
"Well, he started it!" Aussie105 Dec 2021 #24
A proper use of the BULLY PULPIT Captain Zero Dec 2021 #25
Never, in the history of all mankind . . . Aussie105 Dec 2021 #27
He's a classic Dark Triad slug. Use people until they are not useful anymore AZLD4Candidate Dec 2021 #26
But Trump never saw other people as human beings. Aussie105 Dec 2021 #29
👍 Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #38
Criminals having a falling out? lees1975 Dec 2021 #28
I predict Trump will never go to jail. Aussie105 Dec 2021 #31
👍 Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #39
"Stand down and stand by!" Marcuse Dec 2021 #30
The parallel story is that Chump got thrown under the bus by his benefactor FakeNoose Dec 2021 #32
👍 Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #40
Now when will Gavin McGinnis be deported? Crowman2009 Dec 2021 #33
Sounds like Trump is dictating his legal strategy again Qutzupalotl Dec 2021 #42

EYESORE 9001

(25,989 posts)
6. He's replicating Hitler's purge of the brownshirts
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 06:20 PM
Dec 2021

Can’t have paramilitary groups operating without accountability, yunno.

patphil

(6,225 posts)
4. What happened to good people on both sides?
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 06:16 PM
Dec 2021

There going to need a whole lot of buses at Mar-a-Lago for TFG to be able to throw all those January 6th "tourists" under.

Donnie's keeping busy these days cutting the cords to his base.

Justice matters.

(6,944 posts)
8. No mention of his "presidential" duty to tweet them to stop the violence though.
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 06:23 PM
Dec 2021
A DUTY he didn't do for 3 HOURS and 7 MINUTES AFTER the violent assault started.

Of course no mention of that "little" detail, as he's asking the SC to cover up his crime(s) for him.

Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

global1

(25,278 posts)
14. TFG Demands Loyalty From His Base - But....
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 07:12 PM
Dec 2021

He has no loyalty FOR his base.

When his base comes to that realization - that will be the end of TFG.

keithbvadu2

(36,949 posts)
15. Weren't some of the defendants using the defense/excuse that Trump told them to go there for just th
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 07:18 PM
Dec 2021

Weren't some of the defendants using the defense/excuse that Trump told them to go there for just that action?

Grokenstein

(5,727 posts)
16. The Fifth Avenue Theory is about to be tested.
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 07:19 PM
Dec 2021

I'm not so sure they'll abandon him, though. Remember, he left the cultists at one of his rallies stranded in freezing weather, miles from their cars, and never gave any indication afterwards that he gave a crap. That should've been the final nail, but then any number of incidents before and after should've been the final nail.

ShazzieB

(16,541 posts)
18. Oh, I do hope they throw him under the bus!
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 07:20 PM
Dec 2021

If they get mad enough at him, their little forked tongues will start wagging, and I'm sure they know some stuff that he doesn't care to have known.

Talk, guys, talk! Bury that orange abomination! Throw him under the bus, and when he rolls out the other side, throw him under again, as many times as it takes!

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
20. He is forsaking his most loyal, drooling fan base. They are mentally challenged,
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 07:42 PM
Dec 2021

and prone to violence, as they have already proven to the World.

What could possibly go wrong???

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,631 posts)
21. TFG is negate or strike down as unconstitutional the concept of conspiracy
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 07:43 PM
Dec 2021

TFG, Rudy, the war room and the proud boys/other groups are or were all part of a conspiracy and as such the actions of one part of the conspiracy are applicable to the the other members. This brief seems to ignore the concept of a conspiracy other than to claim that if the KKK Act covers such conduct, then that statute is too broad and is unconstitutional. This is from the filing

If Plaintiffs are allowed to bring this claim under § 1985, an unlawful
conspiracy could be construed any time there is a standoff between the political
branches that involves emotionally charged speech. This would make the statute
subject to a facial challenge for being overbroad or void for vagueness. The
overbreadth doctrine allows facial challenges to unbounded statutes to prevent the
chilling of First Amendment speech.

KS Toronado

(17,353 posts)
22. Hope the pissed off Proud Boys testimony is broadcast live
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 07:50 PM
Dec 2021

telling the entire world what _rump promised them to overthrow our government and keep him in power.

KS Toronado

(17,353 posts)
46. Waiting for official word from the Jan 6th committee
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 02:42 AM
Dec 2021

There are rumors someone in the White House mentioned pardons. Plus I'm sure they promised them other
goodies as well, money, no gun buying restrictions was probably on proud boys bucket list. It's harder for
felons to overthrow a Government if they can't buy any fully automatic gun they want with 1000 round clip.

Orrex

(63,226 posts)
23. Trump could forcibly sodomize their children in front of them, and they'd still worship him
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 08:12 PM
Dec 2021

As a group, nothing will turn them away from the kkkult. Sure, some outliers might see the light, but for the most part they've made him a part of their identity, and nothing so petty as a legal firing our documented betrayal will change that.

Aussie105

(5,443 posts)
24. "Well, he started it!"
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 08:13 PM
Dec 2021

It is a school yard defense that doesn't go down well in an adult courtroom.

Same for Trump's defense - well yes, I stirred them up into an irrational rage, but I didn't expect them to ACT it out!

As for Jesse Binnall of Trumps defense team - dude, the President of the United States owes a duty of care to ALL people in the country!
Nor does the Freedom of Speech thing allow words that are encouraging others to break the law or harm others.

Some followers of TFG will shake their heads and go to jail, others will shake their heads and sever the imaginary links they developed with him in the past.
Others would follow him to the gallows, so expect those to act up.

Captain Zero

(6,832 posts)
25. A proper use of the BULLY PULPIT
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 08:14 PM
Dec 2021

Would have been to encourage proper public health measures by EVERYONE during a pandemic, not to encourage a group of Nazis to attack the US Congress.

Aussie105

(5,443 posts)
27. Never, in the history of all mankind . . .
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 08:21 PM
Dec 2021

has the leader of one country done so much, and left such a mess to be cleaned up in 4 short years, to destroy Democracy.

History books will say that clearly.

And please carve that into his tombstone.

Is there a special graveyard for leaders the USA would rather forget about?

AZLD4Candidate

(5,788 posts)
26. He's a classic Dark Triad slug. Use people until they are not useful anymore
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 08:20 PM
Dec 2021

or make you look bad, then into the trash you go.

Aussie105

(5,443 posts)
29. But Trump never saw other people as human beings.
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 08:27 PM
Dec 2021

They were just pawns, bit players in the script he wrote. Where he became King of the USA, and his offspring royalty and hereditary rulers in perpetuity.

Pawns that don't stick to the script get discarded. Without a second thought.

One of TFG's failings as a human being. Amongst others.

lees1975

(3,888 posts)
28. Criminals having a falling out?
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 08:22 PM
Dec 2021

Hope they put Trump in the same cell with some of the people he's thrown under the bus in desperation.

Aussie105

(5,443 posts)
31. I predict Trump will never go to jail.
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 08:29 PM
Dec 2021

Sorry.

But he will have a difficult life from now on. Maybe a short one.

FakeNoose

(32,791 posts)
32. The parallel story is that Chump got thrown under the bus by his benefactor
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 08:29 PM
Dec 2021

... Pootie! He's got a new boyfriend now.



Crowman2009

(2,499 posts)
33. Now when will Gavin McGinnis be deported?
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 08:49 PM
Dec 2021

He's that prick from Canada who founded that terrorist organization.

Qutzupalotl

(14,334 posts)
42. Sounds like Trump is dictating his legal strategy again
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 10:06 PM
Dec 2021

which seems … unwise.

He is arguing in court essentially, “I can say what I want without consequence,” and “Why should I care what harm my words cause to a bunch of cops and members of congress?” — neither of which is likely to go well.

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