January 6th was NOT an official insurrection

[Locutusofborg]

Unless and until someone is charged under the Rebellion and Insurrection Statute. What January 6th is as of today is a Conspiracy to Obstruct an Official Proceeding of Congress by Assaults on Law Enforcement Officers.
Those are the felony crimes (felony conspiracy, obstruction & assault) that perpetrators have been arrested for, indicted for, pleaded guilty to and are in prison for, several for more than four years.
My hope is that the Justice Department WILL eventually charge some defendants with insurrection and that they are saving the worst for last. 11 more defendants were charged this week bringing the total to 738.

[Thomas Hurt]

1. Attempted Self-coup

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup

[ecstatic]

16. I'm glad tfg is recognized in the "attempted self-coup" list.

Now all we need is to see consequences.

[Poiuyt]

25. That's exactly what it was.

[Wounded Bear]

2. Sounds like hair-splitting to minimize what happened...

Play your semantic games all you want. We don't have to use "official" terminology to describe what happened. This is a message board, not a court of law.

And yes, it was an insurrection.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Thanks for saving me having to write what you did.

ps

A guy robbed a bank and got caught in the act and was prevented from completing said robbery so we are calling it an ice cream social instead.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. It fits the historical definition & paradigm of insurrection, & that's the most accurate description

If they apply the Rebellion and Insurrection Statute, those will be federal charges. There will be no designation as "official insurrection". So that is simply inapplicable.

[Nevilledog]

4. So is like there somewhere you go to register for an OFFICIAL insurrection?

This is a bullshit right wing talking point.

This is the definition of insurrection:





Charging someone with the crime of insurrection is not in the definition, and not required to occur before you call it an insurrection.

[Locutusofborg]

13. Yeah, federal prison

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

[Nevilledog]

15. You've totally missed the point.

[Locutusofborg]

17. Oh I got the point all right

and ran with it.
I want perpetrators to be charged and convicted of felony insurrection.

[Locutusofborg]

21. Come on now...

wouldn't you like to see Donald John Trump charged with, plead guilty to and be sentenced for INSURRECTION?
Yes, anyone can call January 6th an insurrection but it sure would be sweet to also have some prison time for that felony offense.
It would destroy the right wing talking point.

[Cha]

24. lol.. TY!

[PTWB]

5. That isn't true.

Would you say that someone murdered wasn't actually murdered because their killer was never charged? Of course not. There are many murders that go unsolved every year. The victim is no less murdered because the suspect was never identified or charged.

Likewise, even if the insurrectionists are never held to account for their actions on January 6th, those actions still constituted an insurrection and can accurately be referred to as such.

[Locutusofborg]

18. Sue me

I like murderers to be charged, convicted and sentenced for murder and I like insurrectionists to be charged, convicted and sentenced for insurrection.

[Demsrule86]

7. Bull shit and there have or will folks charged with insurrection.

[Locutusofborg]

11. There is a list of every person charged

at the following link: https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1
No one has been charged with insurrection, not one single person.

[rso]

8. Insurrection

The term in federal law is “seditious conspiracy”, and Oath Keepers are under major FBI investigation and I bet they and others will be arrested under this charge.

[TheRealNorth]

10. +1

This

[Baked Potato]

9. I would like to see spoiled meat sack Dump be convicted of Insurrection.

So he can never hold office.

[Locutusofborg]

12. We can dream!

[TheRealNorth]

14. My opinion

https://democraticunderground.com/100216221121

[maxsolomon]

19. Oh, it was a COOPCALEO?

Man, those are a dime a dozen.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

20. I do not agree with your definition

Neither does the real world

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[Locutusofborg]

22. Then I guess the US Code of Laws

is not a part of the real world.
18 USC 2383: Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808 ; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147 .)
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-1999-title18-section2383&num=0&edition=1999

[LetMyPeopleVote]

23. Thank you for the laughs

Your attempt at analysis is both wrong and very funny. The existence of a criminal conviction does prove or disprove the existence of a r insurrection in the real world. You may have heard of the lawsuit filed against Richard Spencer and the assholes behind the Charlottesville mess. Some good biglaw attorneys sued and got a judgement against Spencer and his fellow assholes under the KKK Act for insurrection

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Kristen Dunn's firm spent a great deal of time and money in this lawsuit. I have been following this lawsuit for a while.

You do know that there are four or five lawsuits pending under the KKK Act against TFG and his ilk seeking to impose liability for the insurrection. The latest lawsuit was filed by the D.C. Attorney General

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Bennie Thompson also filed suit against TFG under the KKK Act due to TFG's insurrection

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The existence of an insurrection does not rely on a criminal conviction in the real world. Thank you for making me laugh.

[rampartc]

26. the important thing is that they are charged with felonies,

"tresspassing" does not get their 2nd amendment pulled.

i don't care if they get suspended sentences, if the suspension can be vacated if they try this again.