We All Saw It.

[kpete]

[EYESORE 9001]

1. I would encourage printing copies of this text

and posting it as ubiquitously as ‘we buy houses’ signs. Keep this memory fresh now, as we should have done in the immediate aftermath.

[Joinfortmill]

2. Amen

[Klondike Kat]

3. I had to "steal" that

My appologies!

[kpete]

4. I stole it from here:

https://liberalsarecool.com/

[gordianot]

5. It really does not require an investigation.

Let us get the details and go after the people at the top.

[gab13by13]

10. Reporters and the select committee,

have produced enough evidence to warrant investigations of the top people by DOJ. I don't see the will or effort by DOJ to go after politicians or cabinet members of the Republican party for fear of looking partisan.

Day 23 since DOJ received the criminal referral for Mark Meadows, and that's just for ignoring a subpoena.

What happens to Meadows will be the tell whether Garland is going after Trump.

[Wounded Bear]

6. K & R...nt

[niyad]

7. The attack, and our Democracy, are not about christianity.

[scarytomcat]

11. real christains would not attack and injure, lie and hide the truth

I think that is what the poster was meaning, just a feeling.

[niyad]

12. christians are not the only ones with values, nor is this country founded on

religious principles.

[scarytomcat]

13. total agree

never said other wise

[jaxexpat]

18. Exactly, it smacks of religio-elitism, categorizing people by religion.

It implies that he thinks other people associated with other religions would condone the insurrection.

Verbal details are important. I'm sure the founders figured that people would never be confused with the terminology of the 2nd amendment or that the electoral college could cause an electoral injustice.

[EYESORE 9001]

19. Do atheists go around proclaiming their moral superiority?

No, and I would argue no other religious group does that either. If you wear your Christian religiosity on your sleeve in this country, there’s a better-than-even chance that you identify with the aggrieved ‘tourists’ visiting the Capitol on 1-6-21. It’s to those ‘fine Christians’ that this message was addressed IMO.

[soldierant]

29. The only reason for including that, I am certain, is that

so many of them claimed to be Christians

It wasn't intended to address values in general, but to address their claim.

[KS Toronado]

8. Normally in my red town

I'd take this and print out a dozen or two copies and leave them on store shelves where they would be found,
thus getting our message out without having to talk to them. Unfortunately this one will have to wait until the
omicron variant dies down around here.

[dalton99a]

9. A violent insurrection in broad daylight for the whole world to see

[calimary]

14. And we know who lit the match.

trump. First Arsonist.

[monkeyman1]

27. I can't believe the pos is still free ? wtf ?

[riverbendviewgal]

15. It hurts

All my USA family are trumpers. American good friends are trumpers. I am heart broken. I have no contact with them. They don't live in southern states.

Jan 6 2021 is the 2nd worst attack America has had. 2nd to the civil war. American against American. This time the Confederate flag succeeded in entering the Capital.

[karynnj]

16. To show how unimaginable that insurrection was, consider 2000

There were protests creating GWB when he was inaugurated, but there was no violence and no attempt to interfere with the process.

Yet, that election was FAR closer. Ignore that Gore won the popular vote because that is not the way we do elections, though we should. It came down to one state, where the governor was GWB's brother. It was clear even on election day that Palm Beach was a complete mess. It was likely that Gore should have won the state easily, but it was clear as votes were recount that he won even with all the shenanigans. The Supreme Court stopped the counting.

Years later, when Gore was asked by progressives why he did not continue to fight, his answer was something like, and start a revolution. This was stated in such a way that in his mind it was unthinkable.

The same was true in the less close 2004 election, that came down to Ohio, where voter suppression was done by putting very few voting machines in Democratic strongholds, leading to up to 10 hour lines in the rain. That plus other shenanigans meant he lost Ohio by a small amount. Again, a painful loss, conceding there were not enough valid votes to win. Later as a Senator, he detailed various voter suppression means identified when a bill I think by Boxer and HRC was discussed. Kerry and Feingold sponsored a bill that would have used paper ballots counted election night as a solution to long lines, it failed.

There was also 2016, which other than winning the popular vote, was a mirror image to 2020. In both 2020 and 2016, several states were lost by the loser by relatively, but unlikely to be changed by recounts amounts. We all know the shenanigans by the Republicans in 2016

Consider that, even though in all three elections, we can identify actions where the Republicans suppressed votes or cheated, yet there was never an insurrection.

[jaxexpat]

20. You stated, accurately.

"Consider that, even though in all three elections, we can identify actions where the Republicans suppressed votes or cheated, yet there was never an insurrection."

My question. Really? Why not? Stack the downsides of an insurrection on one side and the consequences of instating one who was not favored by the majority of voters on the other. Which pile of evils is higher? Gore was WRONG. It was not a no-brainer, knee jerk, peace at all costs, kumbaya moment. If Biden had only won by 1 or 2 million votes, should we have conceded for fear that the Trump's goons would riot in the streets? GWB got away with theft of our democracy and that has proven to be only the prologue for this century's regressive saga.

There is election fraud and it's the republicans who do it. Just because they've made mockery in a show of seeking prosecution for "voter fraud" doesn't mean the problem's taken care of, a done deal. Democrats should always fight (to the death) to assure free and fair elections. How is it that it's 2022 and this is still an issue?

Would an American insurrection have cost too many lives? Messed up too many American middle class retirement plans? Caused too many business failures? How many? How much? 200,000+/- Americans killed in street battles, maybe but probably not. Consider that in comparison to 250,000+ Iraqi, non-Christian to be sure, dead. Though it's true that neither their retirement nor their business careers is an issue, the trillions of dollars wasted on America's war machine should have been better spent elsewhere and for a better cause. Hell, the money could have financed a renewal of the American middle class from the ground up, if need be, with change to spare.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

30. Great posts, you two.

TFG showed Rs they can be even more blatantly hypocritical, dishonest, corrupt, violent, & anti-democracy than they already were. They will never go back.

[AmBlue]

17. I want to print this out by the 1000s

And put them on parked cars at my grocery store, post office bank, local shopping plazas.... EVERYWHERE!!!

The crazies need to know we see them for the frauds they are and we are NOT going to tolerate this as a country!!! We all need to be countering the message of Faux and hate radio. What do you all think?

[monkeyman1]

28. saved it ! everybody should do the same !!

[sarcasmo]

21. You could see the rhetoric build up on Twitter.

[UTUSN]

22. K&R for, one of the Eternal Questions: How can a decent person ever be a Repuke/wingnut?"

[kpete]

24. everyday

i ask that
because i know and even care about some of them
i have no answer, sad
kp

[UTUSN]

25. The local wingnuts I've asked have never answered, just blankly ignore and turn away.

Another way to put it is when there are minorities or other disadvantaged groups being wingnut tools: How can any minority ever be a wingnut?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

23. K&R

[Upthevibe]

26. Kick. N/T

[lordsummerisle]

31. k&r n/t