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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Fri Jan 7, 2022, 06:19 PM Jan 2022

Being Persuasive: Tips to Help You Convince Others That You Are Right

1. Calling someone an "idiot" or some other name, will not help you change that person's mind. Instead, it will make them think you are the enemy and they will ignore everything you say after that.

2. Misspelling or changing someone's name to mock that person will not convince anyone that your view of that person is correct. Instead, it will convince others that you are illiterate or have malice toward that person. For example John Roberts is the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court. If you deliberately misspell his name as Robberts, you might think that is a clever insult. It is not. He still holds that high position, and you do not. The misspelling simply makes your statement look ignorant or malicious, so the person reading it disregards what you have to say.

3. If you are trying to counteract misinformation another person believes to be true, it is far better to supply well-sourced correct information than to imply that the person is too stupid to know the truth. Misinformation must be countered with correct information, or you will not change someone else's mind. See point #1.

4. Consider whether people you are trying to convince will see your argument. If not, it will have no effect on them, regardless of how good it makes you feel to write it. It is better to make your argument where people you want to influence will see it, and make it simply, not antagonistically, and clearly, without negative associations. At least, that way you have some chance of having an influence. If you are preaching to the choir, you might get good feedback from the choir, but nobody else will hear you.

5. It's best not to make enemies of your allies. People who agree with you in principle are not the people whose minds you need to change. Instead, target people whose core ideas you want to influence. Arguing with allies is non-productive.

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Being Persuasive: Tips to Help You Convince Others That You Are Right (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2022 OP
I can't imagine what brought this on. Or can I? NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2022 #1
You have only to read. MineralMan Jan 2022 #2
Yeah, I saw the thread. Or rather, one of the threads. There were two of them. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2022 #3
When truths and facts won't sway them, they're not being insulted, they're being defined. czarjak Jan 2022 #4
There appears to be context to your OP that I am not aware of. Beastly Boy Jan 2022 #5
Convincing a specific individual of something is almost impossible Azathoth Jan 2022 #6

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,484 posts)
3. Yeah, I saw the thread. Or rather, one of the threads. There were two of them.
Fri Jan 7, 2022, 06:53 PM
Jan 2022

The fake transcript doesn't help at all. A transcript of today's oral arguments is not yet up at the SC website.

I'm not like DU's direction over the last few weeks. People seem to have less inclination to try for an accurate account of events.

If I wanted to read Gateway Pundit, I would.

Happy New Year.

Beastly Boy

(9,370 posts)
5. There appears to be context to your OP that I am not aware of.
Fri Jan 7, 2022, 07:43 PM
Jan 2022

But I've been itching to post something very similar as a general statement.

Thank you for beating me to it.

Azathoth

(4,609 posts)
6. Convincing a specific individual of something is almost impossible
Fri Jan 7, 2022, 08:30 PM
Jan 2022

Almost no one will change their mind if they know you want them to change their mind, unless they are either rigorously intellectually serious (extremely rare) or they already respect and trust you to such an extent that they are more invested in agreeing with you than in whatever it is they believe. Otherwise, appealing directly to someone and challenging their beliefs almost never works.

Convincing people is a statistical thing done in the aggregate. You formulate a solid argument using the strategies of rhetoric and you put it out for people. Once the audience no longer feels the rush of indignation that comes from being personally challenged, a certain percentage will, of their own accord, start to listen and think about about what you are writing/saying. Some will be analytic thinkers who enjoy testing ideas and reevaluating positions, but the vast majority will be those who either don't have a strongly considered position to start with, or else have a strongly held position that doesn't quite reconcile with something else they believe and/or feel.

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