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PoliticoMark Kelly is not yet committed to a change in the Senate rules that would allow elections reform legislation to pass by a simple majority. A centrist who is up for reelection in November, Kelly said Monday he is still undecided just days before he may have to vote on proposals to weaken the filibuster.
Ive never been part of an organization where its really, really hard to do things. So if theres a real proposal, Ill take a look at it and evaluate it based on whats in the best interests of the country, Kelly said. He said he has yet to see what, exactly, he would vote on and that the proposals Democrats have discussed change almost weekly.
Sinema (D-Ariz.) and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) are the source of most liberals frustrations these days, with both publicly rebuffing changes to the Senates 60-vote threshold. But its not like Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer starts a pivotal week focused on changes to the very fabric of the Senate with 48 iron-clad votes for a particular filibuster reform.
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Some, like Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) like a talking filibuster but are not crazy about making an exception for voting rights. Meanwhile, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) says reform is needed but is promoting more modest changes. She cites the near-impossible odds the party faces in getting all 50 Democrats on board for changing the filibuster unilaterally, also known as the nuclear option.
Yandex
(273 posts)Salviati
(6,008 posts)... like cheap suits if those two do.
IMO the Democrats should take a two pronged approach, publicly trying to convince Manchin and Sinema, while privately working on these more under the table holdouts, undercutting the support that Manchin and Sinema may be counting on the maintain their stance. It seems to me that's the strategy that they may very well be taking, because we've seen a number of senate Democrats that were previously also skeptical of filibuster reform come out in favor of it in the past several months...
Yandex
(273 posts)the fix is in. Sinema and Manchin wont fold IMHO.
wackadoo wabbit
(1,167 posts)I swear, I thought Sinema was bad enough!
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)PBC_Democrat
(401 posts)Five years ago Sen Shumer and Pres Obama were vehemently opposed to filibuster reform.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)PBC_Democrat
(401 posts)We can argue (and I agree) that are transformational pieces of legislation.
But we ever end in up in an R controlled Government, prepare for the following pieces of
'transformational legislation':
English as the official language,
Nation-wide open-carry,
Ban on gay marriage,
Ban on immigration,
and many other obnoxious items.
Oh, and a total repeal of BBB and the Voter's Rights Act.
Celerity
(43,420 posts)ColinC
(8,301 posts)I'm sure they meant 2017 ....
PBC_Democrat
(401 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)They made that up right?
I'd like to see RW ragmag Politico's list of "who's who" on the Centrist, Moderate and ever cool really Left. Just so we know who to hate based on Politico's need to absolutly categorize Democrats according to their who's hot/who's not list, determined by of course, Celebrity RW Political Rag Mag themselves.
Gad, they suck more each day.
Calista241
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He'll vote as far left as he can and still get re-elected. Or maybe he's really a centrist.
Budi
(15,325 posts)He votes for nothing progressive for this country?
Well that's a big damned lie isn't it. But let's buy the coded spin on our Democrats as tho it was truth.
The bible of Politico says it is so.
brooklynite
(94,604 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)"They will tell us what to think"
Mark Kelly is a "CENTRIST."
Why the labels, Politico?
Who in Politico's brilliant spin room decides a politician has to be either one or another?
Politico spins the division in our Party by labels like this coded messaging.
I 'd like to know how Politico defines CENTRIST & MODERATE.
I want to see their spin list.
brooklynite
(94,604 posts)I've met him and I'd describe him that way.
Budi
(15,325 posts)..and centrist on others?
Poiticians can be be either depending on the issue.
Labelling is for division. Why do that?
brooklynite
(94,604 posts)Bernie Sanders would clearly be labeled as a progressive/leftist, despite his support for military aircraft contracts.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Or the NO vote on the ever powerful Magnitsky Act.
I wouldn't label him as progressive, by the standards set by Sen Paul Wellstne & his Progressive Party.
Bernie is a Populist/Independent.
The truth of a Progressive is found in their consistant record of works, not in their record of talks in the Media.
PortTack
(32,778 posts)After his swearing in ceremony he said he would be the independent senator AZ needs...geez
The AZ Dems have worked their butts off for sinema and Kelly. We all know what sinema is about, but Kelly, he better wise up. Those voter laws are going to show him the door! WE NEED VOTING RIGHTS!!! He of all ppl should know that
manicdem
(389 posts)I'm not for eliminating the fillibuster. Repubs will eventually take congress and presidency some day, and there's a high likelyhood that will be in 2024 with the voting rights bill or not. I don't know why we keep pushing through congress that have a 100% chance of failing. We need to get some wins, even small ones, for the upcoming elections. Complaints don't win elections.