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Celerity

(43,420 posts)
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 03:15 PM Jan 2022

Ivermectin Fans Are Back With Even Weirder Drugs for Your COVID

Like a potent cocktail of Prozac and hormone therapy.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ivermectin-fans-are-back-with-even-weirder-drugs-for-your-covid-19-including-hormone-therapy



Is your anti-worm medication failing to treat COVID-19? Not to worry, says one of the loudest organizations promoting anti-worm medication for COVID patients: Try adding a cocktail of anti-depressants and androgen inhibitors to your medical mix. No major health organizations recommend the use of ivermectin (an anti-parasitic drug) in the treatment of COVID-19 (a virus). “Ivermectin has not been shown to be safe or effective for these indications,” the Food and Drug Administration advises. Nevertheless, the medication has found an avid fanbase, especially in alternative medicine and anti-vaccine circles, where ivermectin enthusiasts have taken veterinary versions of the drug and led to a massive spike in calls to poison control centers.

But despite championing ivermectin as a “miracle drug against COVID-19,” one of the medication’s biggest hype-groups is now promoting additional treatments, in case the miracle fails. The “Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance,” one of the leading groups promoting ivermectin, now lists a variety of backup drugs, including the anti-depressant Prozac and the anti-androgens spironolactone and dutasteride. FLCCC has been recommending the alternative-alternative medications for some months, but the dubious advice went viral this week when Twitter users spotted it on FLCCC’s newly updated treatment plan, and when the FLCCC’s leader appeared on Fox News on Sunday to flog the new treatment. The FLCCC did not return a request for comment.




Online, the FLCCC’s new recommendations raised eyebrows among people who already take those medications. Like ivermectin, which is used to fight parasitic infections, drugs like prozac are regularly prescribed for non-COVID purposes, like treating depression. But FLCCC’s recommended initial prozac dose of up to 40mg exceeds Mayo Clinic recommendations of just 20mg for most new patients. (The Mayo Clinic does recommend a higher dose for treating bulimia nervosa.) Oversight groups also warn new prozac patients to be on the lookout for potentially severe side effects like suicidal thoughts.

Androgen suppressants, meanwhile, have a variety of uses, including treating hair loss and acne. They are also well known for their use in transgender health care, Media Matters noted after the FLCCC promoted the drugs on Fox News this weekend. The FLCCC recommended COVID patients take 100mg of the anti-androgen spironolactone daily, which is the Mayo Clinic’s recommended starting dose for feminizing hormone therapy. “This blocks male sex hormone (androgen) receptors and can suppress testosterone production,” the Mayo Clinic describes, although higher doses have been described as safe in treating hair loss in cisgender women. A different FLCCC document from October reveals that the group previously recommended 200mg of spironolactone per day, which is the highest starting dose recommended for feminizing hormone therapy.

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Initech

(100,081 posts)
3. I've always said that libertarians are conservatives who smoke weed.
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 03:21 PM
Jan 2022

Maybe the GQP takes much stronger drugs?

DBoon

(22,372 posts)
5. I was thinkling about how RWNJS worship masculinity
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 03:25 PM
Jan 2022

suggesting an androgen suppressant strikes at the core of their aggressive domineering violent being

Ray Bruns

(4,098 posts)
6. Oversight groups also warn new prozac patients to be on the lookout for
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 03:26 PM
Jan 2022

for potentially severe side effects like suicidal thoughts.

So, what is the downside here for anti-vaxxers?

andym

(5,444 posts)
7. Ironic that they advocate monoclonal antibodies but they tend to fear vaccines
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 03:30 PM
Jan 2022

They being those interested in fighting Covid by alternative means, none of which have good evidence that they work.

The photo shows monoclonal antibody therapy as a second line agent they recommend. Of the therapies that they advocate, it is the only one approved for Covid, and ironically in the end it passively provides what a vaccine would have actively and more permanently provided-- antibody-based immunity. Of course a vaccine also provides cell-based immunity.

Strange they worry about the biotechnology used to make the vaccines, but are not worried that monoclonal antibodies are produced using genetic engineering to modify chinese hamster ovary cells to make the antibodies in bioreactors. The good news is that the biotechnology for both vaccines and monoclonal antibodies is safe and well understood, the bad news is that there are too many people out there with little understanding.

Jerry2144

(2,105 posts)
9. Taking androgen suppressing hormones
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 03:35 PM
Jan 2022

Wouldn’t that lead to even smaller manhoods and this drive up the purchasing of ever more guns and giant pickup trucks? Perhaps those industries are finding this latest disinformation.

Note: snarky comment. Not intended to reflect a real factual item.

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