I am at least 110 pounds overweight

[Yandex]

Some of it may be genetics but since I've gone up and down all my life, I believe it is in my present-day control.

If I keeled over from a heart attack right now, would I/should I/could I be a candidate for mockery and shame?

[uponit7771]

1. Can you spread those genetics by just breathing? Is there a vax for those genetics? thx in advance

[Yandex]

7. Is there a vax that once taken

prevents any spread of any virus? Thx in advance

[uponit7771]

14. Yes, polio vaxes once someone has taking all of them so far prevents spread of polio FROM

... the person its given to.

Of course I didn't have to overexplain the from part I'm just putting it there to make sure the question about vaxes and spreading the "genetics" is answered

Because the false equivalence between having a genetic disease and some assholes not wanting to stop viral mutations affecting ***EVERYONE AROUND THEM*** seems obvious.

[dflprincess]

94. The small pox vaccine worked so well

the disease has been eradicated.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. You wouldn't have to have a heart attack. Plenty love to make fun of the weight of people who are

alive.

[BlackSkimmer]

124. This. And then use tfg as an excuse.

Same reason to make gay jokes or use the p word.

[Bettie]

3. Around here, just existing in a fat body

is cause for ridicule and shaming.

No need to keel over from a heart attack, just being fat is enough for many here to tell you that you are unworthy of anything good in life.

[Yandex]

8. No kidding? n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

30. Where is "here"?

Maybe you should consider moving somewhere else.

[Bettie]

40. You ever seen posts about fat people here (on DU)?

It gets ugly fast.

[MFM008]

87. im just as overweight

and i will ridicule donald j maggot for it because he reaps what he sows.

[Swede]

114. Yandex is a troll

He's stirring up DU

[Crunchy Frog]

122. He got banned last night.

[Swede]

130. His profile is still there.

All his posts are still up.

[Crunchy Frog]

131. That's the way it always is when someone gets banned.

He won't be making anymore posts, at least not under that name.

[NutmegYankee]

96. Indeed.

It’s one of the last acceptable forms of prejudice out there.

[Doodley]

4. Why worry about mockery or shame?

[I_UndergroundPanther]

72. Sticks and stones

May break my but words will never hurt me.

That saying is a putrid lie.

Assholes who like tormenting people because they are fat are no better than a piece of shit failure of a human being,bully.

We live in a culture so fat phobic that being fat is worse than being an asshole.

Words can hurt way more than physical fights.

It can emotionally traumatize and the bullies live to tear people down. Bullies get off on hurting people they know words hurt thats why they say what they say.

Fat shaming is fucking abuse.

[multigraincracker]

5. My advise on about everything.

Just keep chipping away at it.

[Spider Jerusalem]

6. That depends!

Are you eating lard out of a bucket with your hands while loudly shouting about how doctors can't tell you what to do?

[Yandex]

10. So if I was....

then mockery & shame would be your response?

[uponit7771]

17. Depends but most likely I would be less empathetic no doubt, Karma is a mutha

[Spider Jerusalem]

19. Yep.

If you're going to be an obstinately ignorant fuckwit who causes your own death through stupidity then you deserve to be mocked. Except, since you're ACTUALLY talking about anti-vaxxers, they're worse, because their selfishness and stupidity not only endangers themselves but other people (you ARE aware of people being turned away from emergency departments and denied lifesaving treatment because the ICU beds are full of unvaccinated idiots, yes?).

[malaise]

102. Great post n/t

[Scrivener7]

53. Mockery would definitely be the appropriate response to that.

[madaboutharry]

9. I would hope that most people here aren't cruel.

I don’t think anyone should be shamed. No one’s death should be mocked.

But I do think it is reasonable to be angry at those who refuse to get vaccinated, refuse to wear masks, and then proceed to get innocent people sick.

[Yandex]

12. But we know anyone, vaxxed or not, can spread the virus

Masks, except the high end surgical N95s, are ineffective to prevent spreading

[uponit7771]

20. Vaxed reduce risk of spread virus .. (link inside) come on, stop.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html#:~:text=COVID%2D19%20vaccines%20can,if%20they%20are%20infected.

[Yandex]

32. I wish you were right. From 12/30/21

"We found that there is not enough data on how many people caught COVID-19 from an unvaccinated person vs. a vaccinated person in recent weeks, but scientists in general said that vaccinated people can also spread COVID-19."

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/12/30/fact-check-can-vaccinated-people-spread-covid-19/9028463002/

[uponit7771]

43. CDC says Vaxed ***REDUCE*** spread didn't say STOPPED spread so in this case getting the vaxed

... still helps public safety MORE than someone losing weight.

The analogy is too flawed

[Yandex]

47. There is contradictory information n/t

[uponit7771]

51. No there's not, CDC is clear and no credible doctors are saying that vaxed aren't *REDUCING* risk...

... of spreading.

Again, I'm highlighting REDUCING on purpose

[Scrivener7]

58. I like reading people's profiles. I think it often gives a good indication about people's motives.

[shrike3]

115. obesity is not contagious. You can't spread anything.

[madaboutharry]

28. The vaccinated and the masked are trying to do the right thing.

Walking around the supermarket unvaccinated and unmasked is very aggressive behavior.

[dpibel]

45. "high end surgical N95s"?

First, all masks have some effect.

Second, there are surgical masks and there are N95s. They are not the same.

Third, any N95, properly worn, is pretty darned effective at protecting both the wearer and other people.

But you're actually not interested in discussing anything like facts here, are you?

[Yandex]

55. I am interested in facts

Dr. Wen on CNN said cloth masks were little more than face decorations last week. I trust her immensely

[uppityperson]

64. Here's a fact surgical masks and n95s are different.

There are no "high end surgical N95s".

[Crunchy Frog]

75. For Omicron, because it's so incredibly contagious.

Cloth masks were much more effective for the less contagious variants, as shown by many, many studies.

It seems like you're being disingenuous.

[Rebl2]

26. Especially

agree with your last sentence. Have or should I say had a friend who refuses to be vaccinated or wear a mask. Don’t see her anymore. I take medications that suppress my immune system and you would think she would understand, but she doesn’t.

[MOMFUDSKI]

11. If you feel good

then just enjoy your life. The shamers are the ones who should be mocked.

[Yandex]

13. Thanks n/t

[mercuryblues]

126. Fuck that

I can't get a needed transplant because the transplant unit was shut down because of Covid.

Antivaccers don't give two fucks if they kill me. But I should be shamed merely for mocking them?

Again, they are more than willing to kill me either with Covid directly or by flooding the hospitals with Covid patients.

I am being denied my right to life by these so called right to lifers. Fuck them. Fuck them all the way to hell.

If I had an abortion, it would have no impact on their physical health. If one antivaccer sits next to me in a Drs office (that is the ONLY place I have been in the past year.) I could die.

They are nothing but selfish pieces of shit.

[Piasladic]

129. sing it

These antivaxers will be the death of us.

[mercuryblues]

133. I live in a stand your ground state

I absolutely believe anti maskers and anti vaccers are trying to kill me.

[NurseJackie]

15. Yawn.

nobody is doing that.

[Scrivener7]

16. This is a really stupid analogy. The rest of us can't catch your weight. Your weight

is not killing us.

You do you. And let me do me without killing me.

And if you are engaging in behavior that might kill the rest of us, shame and mockery are the least that should happen to you.

I wish people would stop using this nonsensical argument.

[Yandex]

21. Anyone can spread the virus, vaxxed or unvaxxed.

I am thrice vaxxed, waitin on the 4th asap

[uponit7771]

23. Again, vaxed reduce risk of spreading virus. Your analogy falls apart with science and facts and

... there's no way you're going to convince a bunch of people who got A's in civics that a genetic disease is the same as a mass people killing virus.

Come on ... lets ... move on

[Yandex]

34. From 12/30/21

"We found that there is not enough data on how many people caught COVID-19 from an unvaccinated person vs. a vaccinated person in recent weeks, but scientists in general said that vaccinated people can also spread COVID-19."

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/12/30/fact-check-can-vaccinated-people-spread-covid-19/9028463002/

[cadoman]

116. exactly, the vaccinated don't spread it, but the people who are unvaccinated spread it like crazy!

Essentially one unvaxxed maskless shit gets into a country like Australia or Israel that has done everything right, and before you know it even the vaccinated have the disease (with much fewer symptoms and hospitalizations).

Get vaccinated and mask up. We can stop this!

[Scrivener7]

33. In vaccinated people the viral load rapidly diminishes. In the unvaxxed it doesn't.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals

The unvaxxed are walking petri dishes, cultivating and nurturing variants that are dangerous for everyone.

So in answer to your question: if you are willfully doing something that puts EVERYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET IN DANGER OF UNTIMELY AND AGONIZING DEATH, if there are things you can do to reduce or prevent that danger, and you are fighting against yourself and others using those things, you deserve whatever anyone cares to dish out to you.

[Yandex]

36. From 12/30/21

"We found that there is not enough data on how many people caught COVID-19 from an unvaccinated person vs. a vaccinated person in recent weeks, but scientists in general said that vaccinated people can also spread COVID-19."

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/12/30/fact-check-can-vaccinated-people-spread-covid-19/9028463002/

[uponit7771]

46. Red Herring, the question is does getting vaxed help others and the answer is yes way more than

... a person watching their weight.

Come on

[uponit7771]

62. Factually false, getting vaxed *DOES* help *REDUCE* spread, that's from the CDC. You got some

... scientific information that counters that getting vaxed does NOT help ... ***REDUCE*** (again, no one is saying stop) spread then give it.

I'm starting to think you're ignoring this delineation on purpose

[Scrivener7]

65. No. Not debatable. In addition to the people getting the virus and the mutations that

are occurring as the unvaxxed hold onto their spreadable viral loads for much longer periods than vaxxed people, there are people who are being denied necessary medical care because the unvaxxed are overloading hospitals and medical resources.

[Scrivener7]

48. Ignores what I said and the science I linked to. But we get it. You want us not to shame the poor

anti-vax morons. You would prefer we bake them cookies and send them flowers while they kill the rest of us.

Hope you aren't holding your breath.

[uponit7771]

54. +1, I thought it was just me

[Yandex]

63. I referenced clear info n/t

[Scrivener7]

67. No, you referenced a non-sequitur that has little to do with the facts under discussion.

[Ferrets are Cool]

88. Thanks for saying it for me

[Scrivener7]

89. No problem! You'd have done the same for me.

[Ferrets are Cool]

91. ...

[dpibel]

52. I do hope you realize

that this quote isn't at all the slam dunk you seem to believe it to be.

[uppityperson]

77. Another quote from your link..."a vaccinated person was less likely to spread the virus"

"We found at the time that studies showed a vaccinated person was less likely to spread the virus"

[dpibel]

60. What does that even mean?

I'm vaccinated and boosted.

If science determines that I need another booster, I'll get it.

But I'm not "waiting for it."

You could be overselling a tiny bit here.

[shrike3]

110. But you can't spread obesity. You're talking about two different things.

This is the exact argument I get from antivaxxers.

No one is going to get fat from being around you. It is not the same thing.

And yes, I know you're vaxxed. Good.

[shrike3]

111. We also won't gain weight just by being around him. Dumb argument.

[Stuart G]

18. Overeaters Anonymous Saved my life...

No dues or fees, they accept you as you are. I was about 60 pounds more than I am now. Started going in 1980..Wow..
That was a while ago..Currently at 155 and been there for many years. Five foot 6 & 1/2.. I can't say enough for the kindness of the
OA groups that I attend. Go to several different meetings, see how you like them, pick the most comfortable....and.....
........as they say...."Accept What You like and leave the rest"..You will meet some very nice people there. Who know how you feel and know what to do to get to a so called normal weight..... So when I started, I weighed 210. ...........................Now, 155 for about 38 or 37 years. Try it, if you don't like one meeting, then go to another. You will find a meeting that you will like. I think I know that. Just don't give up the fight..Please don't give up.

[Yandex]

22. Thank you very much! Sometimes I feel a lot of cold, shaming eyes on me. n/t

[Stuart G]

31. At OA you will find people that have been there like you, and know how you feel..

...Most of us are kind people who want to help. Yes, there are some bosses who know the whole show, but in
OA., we have seen most of the shows..As Clint Eastwood would say.....Yes, the Good, the Bad & the Ugly..
...Try a few meetings, and if one is uncomfortable, go to another. ..........................................
..........................................And please, please, please.....Please Don't Give Up.......

[multigraincracker]

83. I went into rehab for drugs and was lucky

enough to find a great shrink. Found out I was using as a medication to fight off deep problems from my childhood.
He got me to face and get past those problems without drugs.I’d look for a great shrink and hope he or she could help you get to the cause of your problem.
That was 30 years ago and life has been way better.
Hope the same for you.

[malaise]

103. Yes

Great advice

[Tree Lady]

120. I joined a sugar detox group on FB

No shame there at all just people helping you get off sugar. They are a free group and its only $20 to join for life for the daily zoom meetings that are like AA meetings. I have tried to get off eating desserts for many decades and this is the first time it has stuck. I started beginning of September and haven't quit yet. What I like the most is its not about the food, its about what causes the issues. We talk about boredom, anger, depression, comfort, etc.

And it's not about losing weight we never talk about that, its about getting off sugar that is not healthy for your body and addicting. Most people lose weight just from that, some don't but no one talks about it.

[Crunchy Frog]

24. If you could solve your problem with a couple of quick, safe injections, would you?

[Yandex]

44. I'm not following

I've considered stomach surgery

[Scrivener7]

50. Your slip is showing.

[dpibel]

66. Is it farce?

Or is it tragedy?

[Crunchy Frog]

68. It's a hypothetical question. Surgery is not quick, simple or safe.

If there existed something that was, was effective, and didn't cost you anything, would you take it?

I know there isn't anything like that for your issues. This is purely a hypothetical.

I wish you the best in your health struggles.

[Scrivener7]

69. The sudden obtuseness is very interesting!

[Yandex]

71. I guess there are shots that suppress appetite? n/t

[dpibel]

76. Your OP is an analogy

And you are now claiming that you can't quite figure out how these analogy thingies work?

[Crunchy Frog]

78. I'm not talking about something that exists in real life. This is purely a hypothetical.

[Scrivener7]

80. Really? Do you guess that?

[Crunchy Frog]

84. Pretty quick flameout with this one.

Here two weeks and just got their 4th post removed.

I don't think they'll be able to respond anymore in this thread.

[Scrivener7]

86. At least he's efficient!

[Deuxcents]

25. A few years ago..

L looked in the mirror n took a hard look.. we are not supposed to pander to advertisers n I agree. I will just say.. some people in my office all went on this system n so did I. It taught me how n what to eat..long story of almost 15 years now.. the lessons learned still have me those pounds behind. If you care.. and if it’s permitted..I’ll tell you if you care to email me. Be careful of fads n trends..it’s a life’s journey .. if it’s ok..we’ll all support you n keep you to your goal. Best wishes

[Yandex]

42. Thx n/t

[ProudMNDemocrat]

27. Knowing where you are right now...

The question is....What decision are you going to make to better your overall health?

Back in 2013. I was not at a good place. That January, I had lost my mother to Stage 4 cancer. I took out my grief with food, foul moods, self pity. Just to bend down to tie my shoes, I was out of breath because my gut was in the way.

Days before my 61st birthday at the end of May, I did a 360 just in my undies and was shocked as to how dumpy and out of shape I was. The Venus of Willendorf came to mind. My size 18 jeans were getting snugger. My answer? Go back to Weight Watchers and get back control in my life. That was June 3, 2013 even I stepped on the scale at 208 pounds for my 5'5" frame.

Fast forward to now, the difference is 63 pounds kept off since July of 2014. My health was in danger. Today, I have my health. Life is good. I attended my monthly WW weigh in snd meetings because I am a Free Lifetime member. I am currently 10 pounds under my goal.

May you find your "Why". My grandmother died young at 57. Before she died in 1974, she told me I could have lots of money in the bank. A beautiful home. Lots of friends. Be surrounded by material things. But if I did not have my health, I had NOTHING. I have my health snd then some.

[Yandex]

41. Thank you very much for your story n/t

[XanaDUer2]

29. Is this a continuation of another thread? Nt

[Sogo]

35. Shouldn't this discussion be in the Lounge? or on the Health forum?

[Yandex]

38. You're probably right. I'm still learning n/t

[Stuart G]

49. No, this is about addiction...this is about ...."FOOD ADDICTION"...

...This discussion belongs right here. Lot's of different types of addiction..Food addiction kills more people than booze,
and I have studied this one completely. If you don't like this discussion, go somewhere else.

[Deuxcents]

61. Our new DU friend will learn

[Scrivener7]

70. No. It's actually about something else entirely.

[dpibel]

79. And it ended up being kind of cruel, didn't it? nt

[Scrivener7]

81. Now that you mention it, yes. Very.

[likesmountains 52]

37. There is a Weight Loss/Maintenance group on DU

if you're interested.

[Yandex]

39. Thank you, I'm really worried n/t

[Stuart G]

56. Most important, If you go to OA, you will find some people who were exactly like you..

And you might not believe what they say. Some have lost 200 & 300 pounds. Some people have pictures of their
overweight days.....yES, i HAVE PICTURES TOO...(i TOOK THOSE TO TRY TO GUILT TRIP ME INTO LOOSING WEIGHT..)
.......didn't work...Hang in there......don't give up......please don't give up

..........But here is the key....DON'T GIVE UP...DON'T EVER GIVE UP............YES, YOU WILL FIND
A MEETING THAT YOU LIKE...THERE ARE MEETINGS ON LINE, i THINK...

AND YES IN OA, WE KNOW HOW YOU FEEL...BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT..

[Yandex]

59. Most grateful! n/t

[Initech]

73. I wasn't slandering Meat Loaf for his weight.

I'm overweight as well, so I can't really judge anyone based on that. I was more slandering Meat Loaf for his insane anti-vax / anti-mask stance.

[Walleye]

74. God no.Never rejoice in someone else's death. I even feel sorry for the anti-vaxers.

Especially their families, I can’t help it, getting sick and dying is a terrible, terrible thing.so,
Do not send to know for whom the Bell tolls

[SalviaBlue]

82. After reading this thread, I believe you have an anti fax/anti mask agenda. Not

an anti mockery or shame agenda. Nice try though.

[Ferrets are Cool]

90. I am glad more people are seeing through the sham

[Hekate]

101. Well spotted. Yet so many people fell for it, just like that.

[shrike3]

112. This. Thanks.

[dpibel]

85. I think this is now a dead thread

The OP got a post pulled (look between #46 and #62).

I believe that means they can't participate in the thread anymore.

[nolabear]

92. No. You should be respected and cared about.

People assume things and judge, not according to truth and good will, but out of prejudices.

I’m overweight as well. I am not only my weight. There are aspects of my weight over which I have no control. I diet more than I don’t. I eat far less than many who are far smaller. But don’t we all have our peccadilloes to deal with? I’m not throwing the first stone at anyone.

As far as vaxxes and masks, I don’t honestly know. I want people to thrive. Even people I don’t like. I can’t “what if” because it’s a false dichotomy. I find that slope far too treacherous.

You sound like a striver to me. Good luck with getting whatever makes you happy and feel good. You matter.

[shrike3]

113. Your weight's your own business. And I won't gain weight by being around you.

So your weight is none of my business.

[Scrivener7]

93. Poor Yandex. We knew him well. Alas, he is no more.

[Bettie]

97. He seems still to be here

but yeah, troll.

[Hekate]

98. Nah, he's PPR'd, and about time

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=364834

[Bettie]

104. OK, flagged but not gone

I hadn't seen that. Good.

[Crunchy Frog]

123. It's only because he got a 5th post removed.

I think it's just a blind DU algorithm that you're automatically FFR once 5 posts are hidden, even if you were already PPRd.

[Hekate]

128. Oh darn. Well, flagged tends to be a loooong time. nt

[Crunchy Frog]

132. He was PPRd before he was flagged.

He got a 5th post removed after he was PPRd, and I think that automatically caused his status to be changed to flagged.

I can practically guarantee that we won't ever see anymore posts from him. At least not under this username.

[herding cats]

95. Anyone have the old tombstone image?

I've lost my copy somehow.

[Hekate]

99. It really seems appropriate at times like this

[Emile]

105. I would never judge your appearance. I fought my weight for

the past 30 years. My problem is I like to eat.

[panader0]

106. Everyone you meet or see on the street is fighting some internal struggle.

You are not alone. While being overweight is not a problem for me, I have others.
I think the advice given above by multigraincracker is correct: Just keep chipping away at it.
Of course, you are referencing the vaccine deniers, but I don't think the two issues can be
compared.

[LuckyCharms]

107. 1) Some health problems have

absolutely no cure and no medicinal or other therapeutic symptom abatement.

2) Some health problems, such as alcoholism, opiate addiction, or other types of harmful and addictive behaviors require a multi-layered attack to either cure completely, or at least control.

3) Many health problems (including those in the above two categories) exist through no fault of the individual having said health problems. Also, many health issues may at least in part be due to genetics, complicated metabolic issues, or unseen mental trauma.

The vast majority of the health problems referenced above do not spread through the air to other people.

4) And then you have Covid. Which is likely to put you and people you come in contact with at severe risk. The way that is abated is by:

a) Respectfully social distancing
b) Slipping a well fitted mask over your mouth and nose
c) Walking down to your local drug store, sitting down in a chair, and getting a shot.

The individuals in category four above first need to be educated. If after being educated, they refuse to take the appropriate steps shown above in order to protect themselves and others, then mocking them seems to be a reasonable option.

[obamanut2012]

108. lolz

[Stuart G]

117. One more idea to consider if you will: It ain't food, it is sugar addiction..

Sweet things often lift your mood. You may not agree, but it is true for some people. The problem is: "Once you get started,
you can't stop" Sugar is often the key for some people. It was and still is for me.

[kcr]

119. Oh, please.

Come back when heart attack patients are filling up the hospitals to capacity. Till then, mocking and shaming those who rightfully criticize anti-vaxers is just plain trolling.

The reality is heart attack patients, and anyone who has an acute need for hospital care, are dying because the hospitals are crowded with covid patients, the vast majority of whom aren't vaccinated. So, if you are genuinely concerned that you are at risk, your ire should be directed at them.

[ibegurpard]

121. You aren't speading a potentially deadly virus

And contributing to mutations of it by being overweight. Is that very difficult to grasp?

[Wingus Dingus]

125. Being obese doesn't perpetuate a pandemic.

Not taking your insulin doesn't perpetuate a pandemic. Not getting dialysis doesn't perpetuate a pandemic. Not taking blood pressure meds doesn't perpetuate a pandemic. All sorts of self-destructive behavior can occur, and it doesn't make a pandemic worse. What worsens it, FOR EVERYBODY, is refusal to vaccinate and then ending up clogging hospitals for the rest of us. If you do have a heart attack, you should be SUPER PISSED if your care is compromised because of unvaccinated morons diverting resources. This is just dumb.

[jcgoldie]

127. No one here cares about your weight

Your trolling behavior however is what you should probably be ashamed of.

[Torchlight]

134. Your death isn't a requisite for mockery and shame.

Mockery and shame is something we earn in life that pays dividends after we meet our final fate.

[Patton French]

135. No (n/t)