Pramila Jayapal says Joe Manchin has outlined in detail the parts of the social spending bill

[AZProgressive]

He supports. She wants to pass them ASAP.



What happened: Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) is calling for Congress to pass portions of the shelved $1.7 trillion social spending package before the State of the Union address on March 1.

More deets: Jayapal said Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) called her the day after he scuttled the bill on Fox News to say he supports these portions of the House-passed legislation: $550 billion on climate change, universal pre-K, eldercare and housing provisions. She indicated a willingness to get parts of the package enacted sooner and then return to other components like the Child Tax Credit.

"Let's take those things and put them together and pass them in the Senate. There's already text. It's very easy now to go through and make that bill match the things he said he would do. Now, does that mean we're giving up on the other things that he didn't say he would do? No way. No way. We're not giving up on anything."
— Jayapal during an event with climate advocacy group Evergreen Action.

What's more: Jayapal said all of those areas, passable by Democratic consensus, would be "truly transformational" alone.

https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/01-27-2022/jayapals-new-call/

[Casady1]

1. There is a moron

who can stop this.

[Beachnutt]

6. Hmmm

let me guess....

[leftieNanner]

2. She is Awesome!

She's deeply progressive, but she's sensible too. Wants to get stuff done! Willing to find a way to make it happen. 50% of good is much better than 100% of nothing.

[pazzyanne]

44. + 1 nt

[OnDoutside]

3. She is 100% correct. Get it done and move on. Quickly. Potentially

if Manchin gets what he wants on this, it might allow them to return to voting rights.

[FoxNewsSucks]

4. Am I missing where King Manchin lined up the 10 republicons

needed to bring them to the floor for votes? We only get one reconciliation, that's why BBB contained everything. Individually, they can all be filibustered.

[MichMan]

10. Perhaps this is the reconciliation bill

[FoxNewsSucks]

16. That's what I'm afraid of.

$6.5 trillion....slashed to $3.5 trillion....gutted to less than $2T. All to appease the guy who ended up saying no anyway. Now it's down to maybe $60B/year for his pet issues. And he'll probably say "never mind" again. Asshole is just running out the clock so his republicon buddies can run on "do-nothing Dems"

[Alexander Of Assyria]

22. It's a ton of money any way you slice the huge cake.

And his is what lot of ppl were saying before, Manchin and Biden will reach a compromise after Xmas.

A lot of people ofc were hitting the outrage button overtime.

[FoxNewsSucks]

24. If they end up at $600 billion,

that's $60 billion/year. Not insignificant, but compared to the near-trillion we spend every year on the war machine, it's a shamefully small amount to spend on people.

And no doubt, Manchin will make sure there are no extra taxes on billionaires included.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

27. Hear u on the war machine spending spree, obscene by comparison, and always easily passed.

But military spending is verboten topic in American media.

[Demsrule86]

51. Something is always better than nothing...we need to be willing to more our policies through as

we can...it may not be as fast as what some want but in the end we get it done.

[FoxNewsSucks]

65. I'm sure the Chamber of Commerce has a collective orgasm

every time they hear a Democrat offer up that sad rationalization. So do the corporations lined up to dig their greedy hands into the BIF trough. Or maybe they just howl with laughter at us.

But what about the human beings that BBB was intended to help? I have no kids, paid my student loan, etc, so many of those programs wouldn't directly benefit me but there are MILLIONS of people that would have been helped. Millions. Human beings, not corporations. The whole damn country would move in a better direction.

I don't know why this has to be said yet again, but as always, it is the progressives who got fucked over (along with the public, btw). Progressives who were forced to compromise repeatedly to appease a couple of tools deployed by corporations and billionaires. Then after getting the will of corporations done, one of the tools pronounced BBB "dead", like no one else matters.

And apparently, that's the case. No one worked harder to support Biden and his agenda than the progressives in the House and Senate. No one. Yet the progressives are constantly smeared and expected to give in and toe the corporate line. Accepting crumbs or nothing.

Don't even start with that lame "why aren't you blaming republicans" because it is unworthy and an embarrassment to anyone trying that. We expect republicon scum to oppose anything that helps working people instead of billionaires & corporations. Not because they should, but because it is what they do. Like the sun rises in the east whether it is acknowledged or not, condemnation of, and disgust with, republicans is a given. It doesn't need to be stated in every conversation.

We also expect criticism and feeble excuses from the right on rightwing sources. It is constantly disappointing to have rightwing points expressed on a Democratic message board to defend mediocrity and slam progressives.

Because, again, it is the PROGRESSIVES who support Biden and want to work for Americans, not the republicons. Also not the "conservadems" "corporate dems" or whatever they call themselves. They're the ones who got in the way again.

[Beachnutt]

5. ASAP

and Thanks Pramila.

[In It to Win It]

7. Something is better than nothing

[regnaD kciN]

8. This is assuming that Manchin is negotiatiing in good faith...

...when there has been nothing so far to suggest that is the case.

[skydive forever]

28. Almost certainly he's not

But this will show who he is.

[qazplm135]

30. So call his bluff

If he's done the detail work and said I can support this then put it up for a vote.

If he's honest we get something.

If he's playing games, he gets caught and we know what we have.

[calimary]

35. Yep. Call his bluff.

See if he means it or is just dicking around.

[WHITT]

9. Bernie Is Also Pushing

to bring chunks of the BBB to the Senate floor and VOTE. He's had it with backroom negotiations. Wouldn't be surprised if he and Jayapal are coordinating.

[Demsrule86]

52. No, Bernie thinks he can force it and get more. I don't. Nothing should be brought to the Senate

floor until a deal is reached and we know it passes.

[WHITT]

55. Nope

He SPECIFICALLY stated he wanted to bring each part of the BBB to the floor for a vote, so the American people can see WHO is for and WHO is against what the American people overwhelmingly approve of and want.

[Demsrule86]

60. That would kill any chance of passing anything.

A compromise must be reached and voted on period.

[WHITT]

68. No

It would expose to the American people exactly WHO is obstructing what they overwhelmingly want, and in the process, some might want to change their minds for fear of that exposure.

[Hekate]

11. KnR

[brush]

12. He'll come up with different objections as soon as these are met.

All he does is move the goal posts.

[Emile]

32. Bingo, you can't trust him.

[Demsrule86]

53. It doesn't hurt to try. And even a watered down version of that bill would be great...and

and a win for our party and for our country.

[comradebillyboy]

13. Good for Jayapal. She's absolutely right to work

with Manchin to enact everything he is willing to support right now. When the Dems have bigger majorities they can come back and enact the more ambitious parts of their agenda.

[FoxNewsSucks]

18. Without voting rights,

Dems will NOT have bigger majorities, and will in fact lose what we now have. Republicons have been working toward permanent control, and they're not more than two election cycles away from getting it.

[comradebillyboy]

25. All the more reason to take what can be gotten now.

Dems don't have the votes for voting rights legislation but that doesn't mean they have to give up on everything else. It's not an all or nothing game. Progress is made one step at a time.

[qazplm135]

31. First

Voting rights isn't in this bill, this is reconciliation stuff.

Second, this whole preemptive defeatism is what's going to do as much work as anything in any future losses.

[FoxNewsSucks]

46. I can't speak for anyone else,

but I don't intend it as preemptive defeatism. That's how I see all the pollyannas who turn a blind eye to the tactics republicons are taking. I see it as a needed reminder that the other side is working to take permanent control and nearly reaching their goal. I think most others also have the same reason to post such reminders.

tRump tried to undo everything Obama did. Should republicons succeed in their plan to control elections and suppress democratic votes, they will undo everything Democrats have accomplished, including any remnant of BBB that might be passed.

At this point, it's an absolute five-alarm wakeup call because these other things will be moot if we can't vote for democrats and have those votes count.

Keeping people distracted until it's too late is not the answer.

[Demsrule86]

61. You know what I don't agree with that at all. I think some of this shit isn't going to work for

GOP but your doom and gloom sure won't help.

[FoxNewsSucks]

66. You don't have to agree.

Sharks don't require the other fish' agreement to be eaten. And they don't care if those fish are gloomy or cheerful.

Stop calling dire warnings "gloom and doom".

[Bettie]

14. First, the only way anything passes is in reconciliation

and we probably have to keep that available for the debt ceiling, because you know that will come up again.

There are zero republicans who will vote for anything, well, maybe they would vote to name a post office or something like that, but nothing of actual consequence.

Second, and most important, what indication is there that this isn't just another Manchin shuffle, where he pretends to be willing to make a deal and is, in reality, just planning on pulling the rug out at the last minute?

I just don't believe he is or has ever been working in good faith.

[kacekwl]

15. Sure, and Lucy is getting ready

to pull that football away again. I don't trust those two "democrats".

[calimary]

36. I don't trust them either.

Neither one of ‘em.

[FSogol]

17. Pramila Jayapa will be our next speaker of the house. N/t

[FoxNewsSucks]

19. Sounds good to me.

She is knowledgeable and articulate. Definitely a good future Speaker.

[tritsofme]

45. Hakeem Jeffries might like a word on that

[femmedem]

20. WaPo reported January 8 that he no longer supports his own counteroffer on BBB.

From the Washington Post:

"The week before Christmas, Sen. Joe Manchin III sent the White House a $1.8 trillion counteroffer to President Biden’s Build Back Better agenda that included substantial funds for climate, health-care and education initiatives.

About four weeks later, the West Virginia Democrat has made clear that he does not currently support advancing even that offer following a breakdown in negotiations between Manchin and the White House right before Christmas, three people with knowledge of the matter said.

Manchin said publicly this week that he was no longer involved in talks with the White House over the economic package. Privately, he has also made clear that he is not interested in approving legislation resembling Biden’s Build Back Better package and that Democrats should fundamentally rethink their approach. Senior Democrats say they do not believe Manchin would support his offer even if the White House tried adopting it in full — at least not at the moment — following the fallout in mid-December. The people spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations."

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/01/08/manchin-white-house-talks/

I hope that Jayapal is saying this now because something has changed.

[calimary]

21. I'll wait 'n' see. My expectations of anything Joe Manchin "offers" have dropped through the floor.

[gab13by13]

23. Rename president Biden's signature piece of legislation,

to the Joe Manchin Economic Restoration Act for the working class. I mean Manchin is the one drawing up the legislation, may as well name it after him to get it passed.

[rurallib]

26. what about Princess Cinema? (misspelled on purpose)

She loves a lot of attention, too!

[Beachnutt]

29. Manchinema economic restoration act

.....🤷‍♂️

[panader0]

56. I misspell it Enema. Kyrsten Enema.

[FoxNewsSucks]

69. I've heard her called "Itchy"

Like an annoying yeast infection that just won't go away.

[mahina]

33. Great news!

[Beastly Boy]

34. Pramila knows how to make sausage. Art of the possible.

[housecat]

37. bird in the hand. . .

[Mr.Bill]

38. So Lucy is holding the football again.

He'll change his mind within 24 hours.

[hamsterjill]

63. Bingo!

I think we’ve seen this cartoon before? Right?

[BoomaofBandM]

39. Soured on her when she endorsed Nina Turner.

Now I don't trust her or Manchin. They should both he working with the Biden administration. They are trying to make a name for themselves and splitting the party further. Not the year for it.

[True Blue American]

47. She endorsed Nina? Yuck!

We already have a great House person.

[Demsrule86]

50. I agree about Nina Turner...no Democrat should endorse a third party candidate especially one who

caused as much trouble as Nina Turner...she is not liked in Ohio.

[Evolve Dammit]

40. Pass what you can now. You can always come back. Do it or just Git 'er done.

[BlueIdaho]

41. Anyone bother checking with What's Her Face?

It was more that ManChin that scuttled our Democratic agenda.

[ShazamIam]

42. Another one of our newer stars in the House, I think this is evidence some are learning about how

to advance as much as possible and keep at it relentlessly and don't be afraid to negotiate.

On all those new stars, Jayapal, Tlaib, Porter, Pressley, Ocasio-Cortez, all are very smart and effective and are so outstanding in so many ways, one way in particular is they are all good communicators.

[Demsrule86]

49. I like all the House members you mentioned. However, I do think Jayapal has true leadership

skills.

[ShazamIam]

70. I think Jayapal is learning from Nancy how to be a leader versus being a star though being a great

leader, as Nancy proved herself to be, led to Nancy's stardom.

[Fiendish Thingy]

43. No more negotiations with Sinema- if Manchin supports the package, she will cave

Sinema doesn’t have the guts to be the sole vote killing the bill.

[Demsrule86]

48. She is right...showing leadership the way it should work. Get what you can and come back for more...

It is never any sort of victory if you get nothing.

[FreepFryer]

54. Article is dated Jan 27. Manchin called BBB "dead" on Feb 1. (Nt)

[Hotler]

57. His ass is getting kissed in Washington so much I can taste it all the back here in Colorado. nt

[jcgoldie]

58. Agreed.. surprisingly he said he'd pass the climate measures as I recall

At least get that shit done. No time to waste!

[ecstatic]

59. What about voting rights?

New roads and bridges and all that other stuff mean nothing if large portions of Americans are blocked from voting or have their votes tossed by repubs.

My community's right to weigh in on how our government spends our tax dollars is in peril. There's a reason why Georgia republicans are purging Democrats from local election boards. It's because they want the authority to decide which absentee votes will count and not count. They want the authority to decide who gets mailed an absentee ballot, and when the ballot gets mailed. They want to cause chaos. And those who actually receive their ballots on time will still have to worry about their votes being tossed if or when a Democratic candidate pulls ahead of the republican candidate. Of course, the alternative is to brave the (purposely) long lines at the voting precincts during a pandemic. How is any of this fair? It's 2022, ffs!

[Demsrule86]

62. We don't have the votes. Right now some of these measures are in court. In Ohio GOP map

was tossed by a court. And the stuff they are doing can be overcome if we work hard enough. We have no choice.

[Poiuyt]

64. I've never seen anyone who can move the goalposts better than Manchin

[BradAllison]

67. Pramila doing the work.

There are posters here who despise her. I wonder why. Hopefully Phony Joe Mansion doesn't pull another Lucy.

[Demsrule86]

71. But now we have the added complication of a Senator having a stroke...and will he be available to

vote for anything?

[Elessar Zappa]

73. The New Mexico news

reported that Lujan is recovering and doing well. I suspect he’ll be back in action soon.

[peggysue2]

72. I'm impressed with Jayapal

She has been front and center in working with and trusting President Biden, negotiating even with Manchin to wheedle out as much of the original BBB program/policy possible after the first rejection. She doesn't give up or retreat to acrimonious warfare (which would be the easy route under the circumstances) but keeps on pushing for the best result under the current environment.

It appears that if anyone can woo Manchin, Pramila Jayapal could be that person.

I salute her for her continuing efforts on behalf of the American public.