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This is sickening beyond belief, figuratively and literally.
Thousands of Planes Are Flying Empty and No One Can Stop Them
CHRIS STOKEL-WALKER
BUSINESS
FEB 2, 2022 7:00 AM
IN DECEMBER 2021, 27,591 aircraft took off or landed at Frankfurt airport890 every day. But this winter, many of them werent carrying any passengers at all. Lufthansa, Germanys national airline, which is based in Frankfurt, has admitted to running 21,000 empty flights this winter, using its own planes and those of its Belgian subsidiary, Brussels Airlines, in an attempt to keep hold of airport slots.
Although anti-air travel campaigners believe ghost flights are a widespread issue that airlines dont publicly disclose, Lufthansa is so far the only airline to go public about its own figures. In January, climate activist Greta Thunberg tweeted her disbelief over the scale of the issue. Unusually, she was joined by voices within the industry. One of them was Lufthansas own chief executive, Carsten Spohr, who said the journeys were empty, unnecessary flights just to secure our landing and takeoff rights. But the company argues that it cant change its approach: Those ghost flights are happening because airlines are required to conduct a certain proportion of their planned flights in order to keep slots at high-trafficked airports.
https://www.wired.com/story/airplanes-empty-slots-covid/
3Hotdogs
(12,378 posts)IrishAfricanAmerican
(3,816 posts)Sheesh! Unregulated capitalism is economic equivalent of the inmates running the asylum.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)IrishAfricanAmerican
(3,816 posts)It's obvious the existing system is not working.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)or treat gates as real estate. If Lufthansa needs 20 gates at FRA, either write a traditional lease for them like youd do for an apartment, or pretend theyre weirdly-shaped condominiums.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... The airline industry, even after "deregulation" is highly regulated. And the airports are, basically, state owned monopolies. This isn't a problem of unregulated capitalism. It's a problem of rationalizing regulation in the face of changing (and emergency) circumstances.
IrishAfricanAmerican
(3,816 posts)why would governments enforce this type of "regulation" in the given situation? I'm pretty sure the answer to that will bring you right back around to unregulated capitalism. Someone is making bank on this being the way it is and it's not the airlines. Unregulated capitalism is not limited to commerce, the very structures in place to sustain it are also rife with fraud, waste and abuse.
Unregulated capitalism is a bane to humankind.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... would be that the airport would sell or lease slots to the highest bidder. And maybe the highest bidder could sublease them. In any case, there would be no need to run empty planes to keep your slots. And if you couldn't use them, you could sublease and they would not go to waste.
Under regulated capitalism, there is an attempt to allocate resources in some manner that is "fair and equitable', rather than to the highest bidder. In this case, the number of planes that are typically scheduled to fly in and out. That probably works pretty well under normal conditions, but maybe not so well during a sharp decrease in traffic due to a pandemic.
Market resource allocation works very well in general, but doesn't always fit well with notions of what is fair and equitable. Regulated allocation can work well, especially where fairness is more important than economic efficiency. But it isn't self adjusting in changing circumstances, particularly unusual circumstances like a pandemic.
In this case we are not seeing market failure, we are seeing regulatory failure.
Emile
(22,741 posts)money by cancelling the flights and paying the crew their wage.
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)If an airline doesn't use a slot, it is at risk of losing it. These are extremely valuable rights at key airports around the world. AFAIK, it is governmental agencies (or organizations working under the color of national law) that award these rights.
During the pandemic, these slot requirements should have been waived by the agencies. Then these flights wouldn't have occurred.
Emile
(22,741 posts)and crazy stuff like this continues.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)They have been, to varying extents. From the article:
forgotmylogin
(7,528 posts)I would suspect it's a matter of flight connections with routinely schedule flights that have multiple nodes.
If a plane is routinely scheduled to fly from A to B to C daily, and no seats are sold at airport A, it still needs to travel to airport B to pick up those passengers who booked and are expecting to get to airport C. If the plane is empty at airport A, it could cause scheduling chaos for everyone further down the line if they cancel it. I don't imagine airports are able to just rev up a spare unscheduled plane to start from Airport B to cut the empty route from A to B.
Like a bus route - just because nobody gets on at early stops and the bus is empty, the bus doesn't stop running the route because passengers further along may depend on it. Unfortunately, a single empty plane takes a lot more resources to run than an empty bus.
This is a guess. I could be wrong, and I wish there was a way to save resources with empty flights.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)patphil
(6,176 posts)All those empty planes equals massive pollution, and a major expense that passengers end up covering in the price of their tickets.
That's a lot of fuel and maintenance for essentially nothing.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)But the rules for slot assignments are badly skewed.
Base it on passengers at the gate, not planes at the gate.
dalton99a
(81,488 posts)IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)have the airlines pay for it or something.
I hate wasting fuel. As someone who used to drive 4 hours a day to different cities, I use work from home opportunities during COVID as much as I can.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)This is truly irresponsible.
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)I am no aviation expert, but something is terribly wrong. The amount of waste (time, money, safety) and pollution must be staggering.
I wonder if there are comparable states for US airports and airlines?
Farmer-Rick
(10,170 posts)Empty houses while people live on the street, used cars selling for more than new cars, massive food waste while people go hungry, people buying and selling code on a computer and passanger airplanes flying with no passengers.
Karl Marx predicted most of this. Not the particulars.....he didn't know about computers. But he predicted we would buy and sell imaginary items. That waste would become more and more excessive while people suffered for want of those wasted items. Governments failing to support most citizens and only assisting the already wealthy. Concentrating more and more wealth in a few people's hands while most people suffer from lack of resources.
It will get worse and weirder.
taxi
(1,896 posts)do they take off, fly in a predetermined manner, and return to the same location? Planes that don't fly may not age well.
DFW
(54,379 posts)The flights I have been on, in and out of Germany, in the last six months, have been relatively full to packed. Id sure like to know which flights are flying empty. Riga? Almaty? Pristina? Khartoum? Sardine can flyer here would like to know.