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RandySF

(58,832 posts)
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 11:09 AM Feb 2022

Michelle Obama book makes white girls feel 'ashamed,' Texas parent says

A Texas parent wants a children’s biography about former first lady Michelle Obama pulled from school libraries because it could make white girls feel “ashamed.”

The concerned parent said Michelle Obama: Political Icon by Heather E. Schwartz also unfairly depicts former President Donald Trump “as a bully” and should be banned, Insider reports.

The request from the Katy, Texas, parent comes as conservatives seek to prohibit students from reading books that explore race, sexuality or gender. According to NBC News, so far, there are 50 titles that parents in the state have asked schools to remove.

The unnamed parent said Obama’s book gives the impression that “if you sound like a white girl, you should be ashamed of yourself.”




https://thegrio.com/2022/02/04/parent-michelle-obama-book-white-girls-feel-ashamed/

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Michelle Obama book makes white girls feel 'ashamed,' Texas parent says (Original Post) RandySF Feb 2022 OP
Bullshit . .. Lovie777 Feb 2022 #1
Projecting to the child? Maybe seeing themselves as the bullies? And not wanting to own up? Srkdqltr Feb 2022 #2
Low IQ fragility. marmar Feb 2022 #3
Who is the 'woke mob' JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #4
Another whinny whitey that should be ashamed! randr Feb 2022 #5
ashamed that their parents are such racist shitbags nt smdh DeeNice Feb 2022 #6
Said the white Trumper parent who wants to eliminate another book by a black writer. patphil Feb 2022 #7
Weak minded, fragile dunderheads. Solly Mack Feb 2022 #8
Michelle nowbeing bullied and they don't see a connection. This is Katy; the hotbed of mediocrity. flying_wahini Feb 2022 #9
My sister would agree with you jmowreader Feb 2022 #15
Could make white girls feel ashamed of their racism? BeckyDem Feb 2022 #10
If you are going to ban books then Polly Hennessey Feb 2022 #11
Many conservatives believe Michelle Obama is a man..or maybe transgender LeftinOH Feb 2022 #12
This is one way parents create sociopaths. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #13
I would quibble about that. Caliman73 Feb 2022 #16
Psychologists have studied moral development in children for quite some time. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #17
They have also studied the effects of Shame on our development Caliman73 Feb 2022 #18
I'm just going to stand by the body of literature. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #19
Bullshit. I totally connected with Michelle when I read her book Greybnk48 Feb 2022 #14
Oh ferF***s Sake. One famous biography tells the true story of her brilliant and applegrove Feb 2022 #20

patphil

(6,176 posts)
7. Said the white Trumper parent who wants to eliminate another book by a black writer.
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 11:28 AM
Feb 2022

Apparently the woman feels shame, and is projecting it onto her daughter as an excuse to ban the book.
Complaining about Trump for being characterized as a bully is simply a way of whitewashing history...he was, and still is, a bully.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
15. My sister would agree with you
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 12:40 PM
Feb 2022

When she moved to Houston, the cheapest housing in the area was in Katy so that’s where they live. All their friends actually live in Houston.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
10. Could make white girls feel ashamed of their racism?
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 11:38 AM
Feb 2022

One can only hope, but this Mom will be there to see that doesn't happen, evidently.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
12. Many conservatives believe Michelle Obama is a man..or maybe transgender
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 12:17 PM
Feb 2022

Thus, any information that disabuses them of that cherished bit of right wing gospel cannot stand. They do not want to acknowledge any narrative that Michelle is even remotely admirable - or even female.

I know people who people who -in all seriousness- believe this, and will go to great lengths to defend their "position" on the matter.

It's very likely that some cons will reflexively reject any book about/by Michelle Obama ..and they'll use any excuse to do so.

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
13. This is one way parents create sociopaths.
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 12:32 PM
Feb 2022

Children blocked from ever having an uncomfortable feeling.

Shame is an appropriate reaction to wrong doing. It is the basis for moral development.

Feeling bad when you do wrong is how you develop a moral compass. How you know right from wrong.

Yes in the past parents have gone too far and caused damage.
But to go too far the other way is damaging as well.

We can see it in a generation of adults who clearly have no moral core.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
16. I would quibble about that.
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 01:14 PM
Feb 2022

I think that guilt is a more apt vehicle for improvement. Guilt is about our actions. It is about what we do to others that injures them. If you have not done anything wrong, you should not feel any guilt or shame.

Shame is about what you feel about yourself and it interacts with how you think others see you. I suppose if you hold racist attitudes and share those with your ingroup, that either explicitly or implicitly leads to discriminating against others, that feeling shame would be appropriate and might spark growth. The difficulty with Shame is that unlike guilt, shame is not really attached to anything other than what you perceive in yourself or what others tell you is inside you. Having been a Catholic for many years, I remember hearing about how we (people) were sinful and chose to turn away from god by our selfishness. That caused me to feel Shame at who I was because god came down and sacrificed for me, and I still wanted a little more candy than maybe I should have had.

When I have a bad day at work and come home and act snarky or shitty toward my wife, guilt about hurting her feelings causes me to realize that I did something wrong and stupid. I apologize and then work within myself to have better reactions to stress or frustration so I don't take it out on people I love. Next time when I have a bad day, I call and tell her that I had a bad day and might need a bit of time to relax, then I can fully focus on her and the kids. I have to fight the feelings of shame that have been instilled in me by my upbringing because I am not perfect. Shame doesn't really do much in that situation because I am not perfect and there should be no expectation that I am perfect.

The thing is, especially about kids, and particularly about kids younger than say 10, is that they do not formulate thoughts or ideas about the world that are necessarily separate from others. The parents are the primary educators (typically) at those youngest stages of development. They should be encouraged to feel guilt if they do things that hurt others, but making them feel ashamed, usually only results in feeling anxious or down on themselves.

No White person who is alive today, that is not racist or bigoted, should feel shame. They absolutely SHOULD be aware that there is still racism within individuals and in systems in our society. AND they should be aware that Black, Brown, LGBTQ, and other people who are typically the victims of those individuals and systems CANNOT bring an end to this on their own. It is the responsibility of everyone to destroy these systems together. White people (especially White men) tend to have more power within the existing system, so they have to decide whether to do something to destroy racism, sexism, homophobia, etc... or do nothing and allow these things to continue to exist.

Maybe, if you know this and STILL choose to do nothing, then you should feel shame.

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
17. Psychologists have studied moral development in children for quite some time.
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 02:39 PM
Feb 2022

It is big area of research.

We know how children develop a moral core, a sense of right or wrong.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
18. They have also studied the effects of Shame on our development
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 02:51 PM
Feb 2022

The preponderance of the research suggests that shame is harmful to our brain development.


There is a difference between learning about what is acceptable in societies and cultures, that is transmitted through social learning to children, and thinking that shame and even guilt plays a positive role in that development.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
14. Bullshit. I totally connected with Michelle when I read her book
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 12:38 PM
Feb 2022

and fell in love with her family. Who wouldn't?

applegrove

(118,659 posts)
20. Oh ferF***s Sake. One famous biography tells the true story of her brilliant and
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 02:20 AM
Feb 2022

underemployed male ancestors feeling such loss and frustration at the racism that offered them no employment suited to their brains and some Karen can't take it. One time someone told that very common story and it makes it into a public library and it has to go.

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