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Nevilledog

(51,104 posts)
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 12:35 PM Feb 2022

We can stop the white-collar insurrectionists from doing it again: Here's how



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"It's time for us to get serious about protecting our democracy from the people who sought to overturn the votes of the American people in a presidential election. Fortunately, the Constitution gives us a good way to do this." - @NoahBookbinder, @CREWcrew

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We can stop the white-collar insurrectionists from doing it again: Here's how
The Capitol mob isn't the real problem. Those in power who inspired them must be barred from holding office
8:10 AM · Feb 4, 2022


https://www.salon.com/2022/02/03/we-can-stop-the-collar-insurrectionists-from-doing-it-again-heres-how

With the anniversary of the Jan. 6 attacks now behind us, perhaps the most important question facing our nation is whether our systems of accountability are capable of punishing those who sought to overthrow our constitutional democracy — and preventing them from doing it again.

I am not talking about the people who stormed the U.S. Capitol building or assaulted police officers. Many of them already have faced, or soon will face, the justice they deserve. I'm talking about the people who tried, using legal theories, public and private pressure and official powers, to overturn an election — the powerful people who inspired the violent insurrectionists at the Capitol that day. We can call this group, which includes former President Donald Trump and his cadre of congressional enablers, "white-collar insurrectionists."

It's time for us to get serious about protecting our democracy from the people who sought to overturn the votes of the American people in a presidential election. Fortunately, the Constitution gives us a good way to do this.

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment offers us an opportunity to hold those who tried to steal the 2020 election and keep Trump in office accountable. Ratified in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, Section 3 bars any official from holding elected office who, "having previously taken an oath . . . to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

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We can stop the white-collar insurrectionists from doing it again: Here's how (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2022 OP
I agree that this should be on the table leftieNanner Feb 2022 #1
It would likely Zeitghost Feb 2022 #5
It would require a criminal conviction Zeitghost Feb 2022 #6
every other office holder in the land lapfog_1 Feb 2022 #2
K&R spanone Feb 2022 #3
It should happen but I doubt it will. flying_wahini Feb 2022 #4

leftieNanner

(15,100 posts)
1. I agree that this should be on the table
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 12:39 PM
Feb 2022

But how would it be implemented?

Who would decide that Hawley, Cruz, Gosar etc. should lose their jobs? If it's determined at the state level, there's no way Texas would boot Teddy from the Senate, nor Missouri boot Hawley.

Any Constitutional Scholars out there in DU Land?

On Edit: The article indicates that Secretaries of State in the various states could bar candidates from being on the ballot, but again - Texas wouldn't do that.

Zeitghost

(3,858 posts)
5. It would likely
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 12:55 PM
Feb 2022

Require a criminal conviction to have any chance at passing court scrutiny. A SoS simply declaring someone an insurrectionist and therefore making them ineligible to stand for election is never going to fly, nor should it. Due process still exists.

Zeitghost

(3,858 posts)
6. It would require a criminal conviction
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 12:57 PM
Feb 2022

To have any chance at passing court scrutiny. A SoS simply declaring someone an insurrectionist and therefore making them ineligible to stand for election is never going to fly, nor should it. Due process still exists.

lapfog_1

(29,204 posts)
2. every other office holder in the land
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 12:44 PM
Feb 2022

wins with a simple majority of the vote cast.

Time for that to apply to the President and Vice President.

I have no problem with paper ballots and triple hand counts (one by each party plus one more by independents).

I have no problem with waiting days to find out who won.

somehow, India, with a population 3 times ours, seems to be able to pull this off.

flying_wahini

(6,594 posts)
4. It should happen but I doubt it will.
Fri Feb 4, 2022, 12:49 PM
Feb 2022

Color me a skeptic.

Not sure we have enough backing on the SCOTUS. Otherwise….

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