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The polls of Republican voters whose primary allegiance was Trump over the Republican Party has significantly shifted.
Forty-four percent of Republican voters say they wish he would not run again.
Many of his most fervent supports have turned on him due to his support of the vaccine, among other things.
All this is not going unnoticed by Republican lawmakers who appear to be, increasingly, looking for room on a lifeboat.
Just today, in fact, Pence defied Trump's contention that he could legally have changed the outcome of the election, and did so directly before The Federalist Society.
Are we beginning to see the first several cracks on this titanic Republican Party.
Is the band still playing?
What do you think?
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)They are united around Trump, and as 2024 approaches they will purge anyone against him from the party.
malaise
(268,998 posts)Take that to the bank
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)as the ship sinks beneath the waves.
malaise
(268,998 posts)But will stay there?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)fiercer than the devotion of their authoritarian base is to Der Leader. I think it's obvious that the right will cling to him as long as they see him as a winner they can smash us with.
If he becomes a loser in their eyes, "a pariah," they'll need a new Der Leader. They could have to settle for best available, but polls say tRump's Big Lie has given them, and whoever that'd be, a great cause.
Hope you're right. Mostly right would be good too.
malaise
(268,998 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the speed of reaction might be giving these people too much credit. When have they failed to shock and disappoint us by being so much less than or more awful than we expected them to be?
I'm guessing that even if eventually mortal blows come quickly, they'll need someone to burst toward and until then will cling to his gasping body and deny everything as lies.
But I am hoping you're right in essence. It probably wouldn't help those riding tRump's coattails to still be unable to let go and have to be dragged in the mud behind him for a few more months.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)ificandream
(9,372 posts)They play to the audience at hand and change their tune/show when needed. Unless we hear massive booing at his next rally, the answer is no, they haven't abandoned him. Repugs lust for power. They're doing anything to get back in the White House. They've got Fox in their corner. Nothing's changing as of now.
Tickle
(2,520 posts)obviously my opinion. He will be Deathsantis cheerleader.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,182 posts)That's against his narcissistic nature.
He and DeSantis are headed for a very public schism.
Tickle
(2,520 posts)soon enough
zuul
(14,624 posts)And TDFG couldnt bring himself to praise anyway trying to take what he perceives as his rightful role.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Tommy Carcetti
(43,182 posts)That's the point! He's never gone!
SWBTATTReg
(22,124 posts)to pocket all of the campaign donations but I think his games w/ his increasingly larger and larger numbers of former supporters for money/donations is wearing very thin.
cilla4progress
(24,733 posts)then I found this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Fools_(film)
The action of the film takes place almost entirely on board a passenger ship in 1933, between Veracruz Mexico and Bremerhaven, Germany. Most of the scenes unfold on the First Class deck or among the upper middle-class passengers, but the ship is carrying 600 displaced workers, far more than the ship is certified to carry and they're assigned to squalid conditions in steerage. They are all being deported back to Spain by the order of the Cuban dictator, Machado. Many passengers bound for Nazi Germany are happy, some are apprehensive, while others downplay the significance of fascist politics.
The ship's medic, Dr. Schumann, takes a special interest in La Condesa, a countess from Cuba who has an opiate addiction which he reluctantly accommodates with prescriptions. She is being transported to a Spanish prison on the Canary Island of Tenerife. Her sense of doom is contrasted with the doctor's initial determination to fight the forces of oppression, embodied by his insistence that the people in steerage be treated like human beings rather than cargo. The doctor conceals having a heart condition. His sympathy for the countess soon evolves into love, though both realize it is a hopeless passion.
Selected passengers are invited to dine each night at the captain's table. Some are amused and others offended by the anti-Semitic rants of a German businessman named Rieber who though married begins an affair with Lizzi. The Jewish Lowenthal is not invited and is seated at a side table with a dwarf named Glocken and the two bond over their sense of social exclusion. Later a passenger named Freytag is shocked to find himself blackballed from the Captain's Table when Rieber learns Freytag's wife is Jewish and after an angry public outburst, he too is re-seated at the side table. Here Lowenthal counsels Glocken regarding tactical accommodation to the Nazis from people like Rieber, stating that Germany has been good for the Jews and the Jews have been good for Germany, "We are Germans first and Jews second...There are nearly a million Jews in Germany. What are they going to do, kill all of us?"
Others aboard include an American couple, David and Jenny. Jenny is infatuated with David, who is disconsolate at his lack of success as a socially committed artist and feels stifled by Jenny's needy dependence. Mary Treadwall, a divorcée, drinks and flirts. She is on a quest to recapture her lost youth while in Paris, but the men who take an interest in her she rejects as unworthy. Bill Tenny is a former baseball player with a drinking problem, angry the way his career never took off. Passengers are entertained nightly by a troupe of flamenco musicians and dancers, whose leader pimps the women in the troupe, while other passengers regularly drink themselves to oblivion. One young heir to a fortune loses his virginity to one of the flamenco dancers, who treats him with gentleness.
The ship arrives in Spain where the displaced workers from steerage disembark. Here, after an emotionally painful farewell with the doctor, La Condesa is forced to exit the ship under Civil Guard escort. Upon arrival in Germany, the remaining passengers depart the ship. The doctor dies before the ship reaches Bremerhaven and his body is unloaded in a coffin. At the disembarkation, which seems like a parade, most characters show they will behave as though it is 'business as usual.'
The last passenger to leave the 'Ship of Fools' is Glocken, who speaks directly to camera, as he did in the opening minutes of the film. Glocken asks the film's audience if they are thinking "What has all this to do with us?" (meaning the passengers). "Nothing" he adds and exits into the crowd.
They don't all seem like fools to me??
skip fox
(19,359 posts)I was simply riffing off of its title, like magazines and newspapers do.
dwayneb
(768 posts)Two-thirds of Republicans want him to remain as the main political leader of the Fascist Right.
Yes, "only" 44% want him as President but there is no other candidate even close. Therefore he stands a good chance at being nominated.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/06/two-thirds-of-republicans-want-trump-to-retain-major-political-role-44-want-him-to-run-again-in-2024/
We are a long way from seeing the last of this scum, whether he gets into office by direct election or via coup.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Then the ball starts rolling in his favor again, and all the craven clowns get on board. Recall both McConnell and Ryan condemning the "Grab 'em by the P" tape a few mere weeks before the election, then jumping on the bandwagon again as he started to climb again. They have no morals and no center. They will support Trump to the extent that he wins, period. Those early primary states are hugely pro-Trump, is the problem.