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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 12:50 PM Feb 2022

If our laws cannot be enforced, why do we have them?

When it comes to Trump, our entire justice system is on trial, not just Trump. What is happening now will decide the future of our justice system, our country.

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If our laws cannot be enforced, why do we have them? (Original Post) fightforfreedom Feb 2022 OP
Laws are only for plebes. Lunabell Feb 2022 #1
That inthewind21 Feb 2022 #2
Absolutely! Duppers Feb 2022 #23
The wealthy/powerful are largely exempt from rules and laws. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #26
What laws are not being enforced? brooklynite Feb 2022 #3
Having trouble with that too. trump has had two impeachment investigations, the select committee, Hoyt Feb 2022 #6
Obstruction of justice, abuse of power, emollients clause, etc, etc, etc, were not enforced. fightforfreedom Feb 2022 #7
Failure to prosecute stealing and destroying White House documents opens the door Emile Feb 2022 #10
You got that right. fightforfreedom Feb 2022 #13
I'm waiting for something actually damning coming out of those documents. So far, I haven't Hoyt Feb 2022 #14
I watched him orchestrating the insurrection on live TV! He said go to the capital Emile Feb 2022 #15
I saw that, it won't be enough to get him. If he was standing in front of Capitol telling the rubes Hoyt Feb 2022 #17
I know you want him behind bars just as much as myself. Hell Emile Feb 2022 #18
It's time for an interim report. If they don't have anything now, we need to figure Hoyt Feb 2022 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Emile Feb 2022 #19
"We all know what he really meant" Zeitghost Feb 2022 #27
At this point I would be happy if they got him on the emolument clause, Emile Feb 2022 #28
Proving is one thing Zeitghost Feb 2022 #29
Would the trial be in Washington DC? Emile Feb 2022 #30
The little guy. It controls and is there for the little guy. LizBeth Feb 2022 #4
Laws are to protect the rich from the poor. Chainfire Feb 2022 #5
It is the way the rich control the poor. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #25
Laws are for thee, not those who make them and pay for them. onecaliberal Feb 2022 #8
So Garland (and by extension Biden) are "selling out" the little guy? brooklynite Feb 2022 #21
If nothing happens to Trump (and his cabal) then yes. If something does then no. JanMichael Feb 2022 #22
It's like Red says in Shawshank, it's so young men can wear a suit and have a job and stamp RockRaven Feb 2022 #9
Well said.... secondwind Feb 2022 #11
If due process isn't as fast sarisataka Feb 2022 #12
To give us the appearance of Democracy. milestogo Feb 2022 #16
The laws are for you and me, the riff raff. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #24
 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
2. That
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 12:56 PM
Feb 2022

Is the 64 million dollar question. And it's not they CANNOT be enforced, it's they are SELECTIVELY enforced.

Irish_Dem

(80,038 posts)
26. The wealthy/powerful are largely exempt from rules and laws.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 06:25 PM
Feb 2022

The criminal justice system has no will to pursue justice against the wealthy.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
3. What laws are not being enforced?
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 12:57 PM
Feb 2022

Or is this another rant that AG Garland isn't moving fast enough?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Having trouble with that too. trump has had two impeachment investigations, the select committee,
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 01:09 PM
Feb 2022

several state officials are looking at him, etc.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
7. Obstruction of justice, abuse of power, emollients clause, etc, etc, etc, were not enforced.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 01:20 PM
Feb 2022

We will see if destroying Whitehouse documents is another law that will not be enforced. That is a slam dunk indictment. That will tell me a lot about our justice system.

When it comes to Garland investigating the coup attempt. That's in it's early stages. I do not believe it's moving too slowly.

Emile

(40,786 posts)
10. Failure to prosecute stealing and destroying White House documents opens the door
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 01:32 PM
Feb 2022

for future Presidents to do the same.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. I'm waiting for something actually damning coming out of those documents. So far, I haven't
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 02:16 PM
Feb 2022

seen anthing in writing that ties him to anything involving Jan 6.

The Committe has had the National Archive documents for a week or so. Plenty of time to find something incriminating, assuming it exists.

I think we run the risk of this becoming like Hilliary Clinton's email. A lot of nothing, but a great meme for opponents.

We need to prepare to beat trump at the polls, assuming he actually runs in earnest, which I doubt.

Emile

(40,786 posts)
15. I watched him orchestrating the insurrection on live TV! He said go to the capital
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 02:20 PM
Feb 2022

and fight like hell! You didn't see that?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
17. I saw that, it won't be enough to get him. If he was standing in front of Capitol telling the rubes
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 02:51 PM
Feb 2022

to storm the Capitol and take out Pence, that would be enough. But he wasn't and didn't.

How did you move the goal post from documents to his stupid speech?

Emile

(40,786 posts)
18. I know you want him behind bars just as much as myself. Hell
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 03:10 PM
Feb 2022

everyone on DU are on that same page. Many of us are just losing our patience on why it's taking so damn long. Hopefully in the coming months when the 1/6 committee goes live with their hearings then things will start moving rapidly.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. It's time for an interim report. If they don't have anything now, we need to figure
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 03:16 PM
Feb 2022

out how to gracefully get out of this before midterms. If we do have something -- for example, a trump sharpie drawing where trump directs the Ohio rube militia to enter the west side of capitol and proud rubes to enter from the south -- then it's time to prosecute or get another AG.

We are wasting too much time on this. Heck, we had the whole country watching when the committee started back in the summer showing films, had police officers describing the attack, etc., but the committee took a darn vacation or something.

Response to Hoyt (Reply #17)

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
27. "We all know what he really meant"
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 07:09 PM
Feb 2022

Is not a successful prosecution strategy. The DOJ will not prosecute a common drug dealer without an ironclad case. They aren't going after a former President without mountains of irrefutable evidence.

Emile

(40,786 posts)
28. At this point I would be happy if they got him on the emolument clause,
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 07:15 PM
Feb 2022

or the stealing and destruction of White House documents. Those two things shouldn't be hard to prove.

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
29. Proving is one thing
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 07:18 PM
Feb 2022

Convicting is another. Especially with Trump and 74+ million Trump voting potential jurors.

RockRaven

(18,770 posts)
9. It's like Red says in Shawshank, it's so young men can wear a suit and have a job and stamp
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 01:27 PM
Feb 2022

their forms...

sarisataka

(22,253 posts)
12. If due process isn't as fast
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 01:37 PM
Feb 2022

As we want it to be or ends in a result we "know" is wrong should we drop it?

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