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pandr32

(11,631 posts)
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 08:44 PM Feb 2022

New Covid cases seem to be dwindling across the nation

As the result there is a push to relax requirements that protect.

Are cases really dwindling? Are we being snookered?

Many deaths are being reported and some suggest that makes sense because those cases have been infected earlier. Huh?

At home test kits have been sent out all over. There is no requirement to report positive cases, just some encouragement. Doctors and clinics may be required but us at-home folk and businesses may not wish to report the news of infections. Lots of reasons to keep it quiet and in many cases likely because it is not required. People stay home a few days and usually stay out of the hospital because Omicron has meant less hospitalized cases than Delta. No record if we don't report and don't go to emergency.

We are not seeing the end of the latest wave unless our metric is officially counted cases.

Am I wrong?

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New Covid cases seem to be dwindling across the nation (Original Post) pandr32 Feb 2022 OP
They'll probably go back up again with mask mandates being relaxed (prematurely) Spider Jerusalem Feb 2022 #1
I wouldn't worry too much about it. BannonsLiver Feb 2022 #2
and spring break is a few weeks away.. agingdem Feb 2022 #8
You may be right! Good luck! BannonsLiver Feb 2022 #9
Deaths always lag case numbers. marmar Feb 2022 #3
This is the type of worst overconfidence. A little knowledge is dangerous Tetrachloride Feb 2022 #4
Good analogy pandr32 Feb 2022 #10
They are dwindling as omicron recedes, but Cairycat Feb 2022 #5
But are numbers really dwindling? pandr32 Feb 2022 #11
Hard to say. moondust Feb 2022 #6
At home testing is helping this happen. pandr32 Feb 2022 #12
No doubt. moondust Feb 2022 #13
Cases are declining. New hospitalizations trail cases and they too Tomconroy Feb 2022 #7
I appreciate your comment pandr32 Feb 2022 #15
We'll continue the pattern and will see a new variant in BigmanPigman Feb 2022 #14
I am afraid you are correct pandr32 Feb 2022 #16
I imagine Omicron has snagged nearly everyone unvaxxed and vulnerable by now Silent3 Feb 2022 #17
Vaxxed and unvaxxed Renew Deal Feb 2022 #20
Yup pandr32 Feb 2022 #21
The good news is that I don't personally know anyone that died this time. Renew Deal Feb 2022 #23
That's a huge plus pandr32 Feb 2022 #24
Fauci Says 'Full Blown' Pandemic Phase Is Ending Poiuyt Feb 2022 #18
I know A LOT of people that were positive in December and January. Renew Deal Feb 2022 #19
I hope so pandr32 Feb 2022 #22
I asked my daughter what her company Tree Lady Feb 2022 #25
That's good news pandr32 Feb 2022 #26

agingdem

(7,866 posts)
8. and spring break is a few weeks away..
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 09:00 PM
Feb 2022

college kids hitting the beaches and the bars en masse...and then bringing the variant/variants back to campus...I predict a spike sometime in late March..that been the pattern for the last two "breaks"...this time less fear and more kids...

Tetrachloride

(7,877 posts)
4. This is the type of worst overconfidence. A little knowledge is dangerous
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 08:52 PM
Feb 2022

It’s like driving in snow at the start of winter in that —a great many people have forgotten to slow down.

Pandemic overconfidence is far more ingrained now.

Cairycat

(1,707 posts)
5. They are dwindling as omicron recedes, but
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 08:53 PM
Feb 2022

I think they'll go up again with the next variant. The relaxation will make it hard to convince people to mask up, test, report.

Iowa has pretty much outlawed mask mandates. When I go to the grocery store, maybe 10-20% masking. In the elementary schools where I work days, maybe 25% of kids, about the same for teachers and paras (seems to be related to age). The vax rate for elementary age kids is less than 20% in my county

I suspect also that there are a lot of people who get covid and don't report, and then just go to work as usual, because of lack of sick leave or pressure not to use it.

pandr32

(11,631 posts)
11. But are numbers really dwindling?
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 09:14 PM
Feb 2022

The new variant that is making huge gains elsewhere in the world is here. It is an Omicron variant. People are still getting infections and suffering with them without reporting.
We can't test for the new variant if people aren't reporting cases.
The media gets to report a rosey outlook and it is a false flag.

moondust

(20,017 posts)
6. Hard to say.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 08:59 PM
Feb 2022

Long before home test kits, in May 2020 Rebekah Jones was fired from the Florida Department of Health "due to her refusal to hide COVID-19 data." Would anybody be surprised to learn that other red states have been fudging their numbers so they can "return to normal" (and watch people die)?

By the way, she is running against Matt Gaetz in 2022.

moondust

(20,017 posts)
13. No doubt.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 09:20 PM
Feb 2022

Probably lots and lots of people not reporting positive test results--in addition to potentially fudged numbers, etc.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
7. Cases are declining. New hospitalizations trail cases and they too
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 09:00 PM
Feb 2022

are declining. That's a stat that can't be faked. As is wastewater Covid presence. After an enormous spike Boston wastewater Covid levels are back to pre Omicron. Definitely can't fake that stat.

pandr32

(11,631 posts)
15. I appreciate your comment
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 09:59 PM
Feb 2022

I looked it up and found that wastewater testing isn't considered a reliable means to predict cases--just that it adds data to other indicators. Not only that, not all states, counties and cities do this. Funding is an issue in some places and likely Republicans.

BigmanPigman

(51,642 posts)
14. We'll continue the pattern and will see a new variant in
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 09:24 PM
Feb 2022

about 4 months. It may be less severe but who knows. A lot of the people on the planet haven't been vaxxed allowing more variants to form.

pandr32

(11,631 posts)
16. I am afraid you are correct
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:01 PM
Feb 2022

Even if cases are being under-counted now in order to paint a pretty picture a new variant rise will be pretty hard to disguise in the coming months. Spring break will likely be a problem.

Silent3

(15,379 posts)
17. I imagine Omicron has snagged nearly everyone unvaxxed and vulnerable by now
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:07 PM
Feb 2022

So what happens next probably depends completely on the random nature of variants. The general trend historically is toward less virulent/more contagious, but that's hardly guaranteed. Since Omicron was way up on the scale for contagiousness, hopefully less-virulent is all we get next.

Renew Deal

(81,883 posts)
20. Vaxxed and unvaxxed
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:28 PM
Feb 2022

I know a lot of people that caught Omicron and many of them were vaxxed and some were boosted.

pandr32

(11,631 posts)
21. Yup
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 11:13 PM
Feb 2022

That's the maddening part. You can get fully vaccinated, take precautions while out and about, and still get it. It makes it so-oooo hard to be nice to anti-vaxxer idiots--even when they are relatives.

pandr32

(11,631 posts)
24. That's a huge plus
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 01:00 AM
Feb 2022

I can't say the same.
Hopefully, you will still be able to make that claim in the future.

Poiuyt

(18,131 posts)
18. Fauci Says 'Full Blown' Pandemic Phase Is Ending
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:22 PM
Feb 2022

February 8, 2022 at 8:03 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 157 Comments

Dr. Anthony Fauci told the Financial Times that the United States is heading out of the “full blown” pandemic phase of Covid-19, as he predicted a combination of vaccinations, treatments and prior infection would soon make the virus more manageable.

Fauci added that there would be an end to all pandemic-related restrictions in the coming months including mandatory wearing of masks.

Said Fauci: “As we get out of the full-blown pandemic phase of Covid-19, which we are certainly heading out of, these decisions will increasingly be made on a local level rather than centrally decided or mandated. There will also be more people making their own decisions on how they want to deal with the virus.”

https://politicalwire.com/2022/02/08/fauci-says-full-blown-pandemic-phase-is-ending/

Renew Deal

(81,883 posts)
19. I know A LOT of people that were positive in December and January.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:24 PM
Feb 2022

I'm not hearing about nearly as many cases in the last 3 weeks or so. So anecdotally, yes, cases are going down.

Tree Lady

(11,514 posts)
25. I asked my daughter what her company
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 03:09 AM
Feb 2022

With 300 employees was going to do in CA when mask mandate lifted, They did really well for almost a year and a half then last June CA lifted masks and in two weeks they went from zero cases to 30 and started tested everyone weekly.

She said even though they are lifting it next week, they also said if anyone is around someone positive they have to stay home for 5 days. So they are keeping employees wearing a mask to keep them at work.

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