Russia attacking Ukraine would be a war crime.

[Imallin4Joe]

The human death toll will be catastrophic.

Any "leader" that gives such an order, to declare war on a democracy, a democratic nation. An order that will kill 100,000+ people.

is a "leader" that deserves to be..


EXECUTED for his war crimes.

[PortTack]

1. ++++++

[bullwinkle428]

2. I'm not pro-death penalty at all, but I will agree that what the U.S.

did to Iraq also constituted a war crime. We'll never know how many civilians died as the result of "shock and awe".

[Dial H For Hero]

3. In and of itself, it would not be.

There are a number of different atrocious acts which can be classified as war crimes, but simply attacking another nation is not one of them.

[Imallin4Joe]

7. Depends if any UN sanctions have been imposed.

Attacking a democracy through war is not taken lightly by the international community.

When I referred to war crimes in my OP, much of that is from what would likely be a horrific human death toll and the atrocities committed by Russia to overthrow Ukraine.

If sanctions have been imposed by the UN forbidding Russia from attacking, then it would be a war crime for Russia to attack.

[Dial H For Hero]

23. Thanks for the information, I was incorrect.

[former9thward]

29. What UN sanctions?

The UN can't impose sanctions because Russia is a member of the Security Council and has a veto on any actions.

[Dave says]

19. Launching wars of aggression are war crimes

“What about the war crime known as a ‘war of aggression’? That’s a type of war where one nation initiates an unprovoked attack on another nation.

A war of aggression was declared a war crime at Nuremberg.”

https://www.fff.org/2015/02/18/war-aggression-war-crime-not/

[Dial H For Hero]

22. I stand corrected. I wasn't aware of that aspect of the Nuremberg trials.

[malaise]

4. So was the US attacking Iraq

That is all

[Tommy Carcetti]

6. ...and?

[malaise]

9. and nearly a million Iraqis are dead

and we still await consequences and we're sick of being pawns of imperialist powers.
That is all

[Tommy Carcetti]

14. Not disputing that.

Just wondering what it has to do with Russia’s eyes on Ukraine.

[Effete Snob]

36. .

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10025512991

[Ghost Dog]

27. Yup.

... If only there were an international popular political movement for Co-operative, rather than competitive, organization of planetary affairs...

[Happy Hoosier]

12. Whataboutism.

Not many here supported that war, so this comment isn't particularly helpful. Whether or not attacking Iraq was a war crime is independent of whether or not Attacking Ukraine would be. Unless you are just trying to justify turning a blind eye to Russian aggression.

[malaise]

15. M$Greedia cheered Bush on and there are warmongers in

both parties.
Those dead Iraqis have no sides
Fact is the Iraq invasion and occupation was illegal.

[Happy Hoosier]

16. Again, what does that have to do with Russia and Ukraine?

I don't disagree with you on that subject. But it has fuck all to do with Russia and Ukraine. Surely you see that?

[malaise]

18. Global bullies do what the fuck they want

Rules only apply to us peons.

[Effete Snob]

34. This may help

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10025512991

Freaking wow! The thinking of the neo-Nazis in Ukraine

Any questions?

[Happy Hoosier]

35. I have friends in Ukraine....

They are most DEFINITELY not neo-Nazis. I can;t take this Tankie bullshit seriously.

I'm pretty disgusted by some on the left propping up bullshit Russian crap.

[Voltaire2]

26. It paved the way.

Bush’s war destroyed the international legal constraints on ‘wars of aggression’ and also effectively abolished the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners and protection of civilians.

We are reaping the results of our unilateralism.

[Ghost Dog]

28. Yes, and warnings were voiced at the time. Nt

[malaise]

30. Precisely

Matters torture as well

[jalan48]

20. +1

[Imallin4Joe]

21. Yes.

Bush, Dick Cheney, Rummy falsified and fabricated evidence to "declare" war.

We've all sadly spent the past almost 20 years demanding a war crimes investigation and trial for the entire Bush cabal. Like you, I wish we had better results. I'm with you!

[Maraya1969]

5. I wish someone would drop a predatory drone bomb directly on Putin's head.

Sorry. I said it.

[Imallin4Joe]

8. I second that!!

[DoBotherMe]

11. I agree

[Chainfire]

10. There is a simple fix, lets just send the gazpacho to arrest the Russian Army.

[Chainfire]

13. The Americans, along with the Russians, Brits and French

Hung a pile of Nazi bigwigs for "waging a war of aggression."

Of course, only the winners get to decide whether the war was justified or aggressive. So, yes, if we win a war that Russia starts in Ukraine, to expand their borders, and we apprehend Putin, in theory we could try him for a capital crime.

[sarisataka]

32. So Nazi leaders

We're victims of victor's justice?

[Chainfire]

33. It happens all the time. ;)

The allies wanted to prosecute some of the Japanese Naval officers for machinegunning ship survivors, but the US Navy, said, "Hell no, we can't prosecute them for that....."

[philly_bob]

17. Would like to hear more of a legal opinion on this. Also on UN involvement.

European war is the nightmare I was born with.

Putin, like Trump, tries to keep a legal excuse for his aggressive moves. "It wasn't my troops, it was just a motorcycle gang." Or rumored False Flag provocations.

Most Ukrainians do not want to rejoin a Soviet Union. "Hey, kid, do you want to do graduate study in Paris -- or Moscow?"

[marie999]

24. Russia will probably not invade Ukraine. There's no benefit to him if they do.

He knows NATO is not going to let Ukraine join. Meanwhile, gas prices have gone up. If he was going to invade, he would have brought up his tactical nuclear weapons by now and taken them out of storage in Kaliningrad.

[Voltaire2]

25. So was our invasion of Iraq.

And yet there have been zero consequences for anyone in charge of that atrocity.

[William769]

31. Of course, it will be a war crime

White people.