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Looks like Trump DID steal classified documents: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Feb 2022 OP
New York Times article Nevilledog Feb 2022 #1
He needs to be in Federal Prison. Kingofalldems Feb 2022 #2
THIS malaise Feb 2022 #15
Get the federal charges on the stove cooking !! espionage might be a good thing ! monkeyman1 Feb 2022 #16
Absofuckingloutely! SheltieLover Feb 2022 #18
Without question Ferrets are Cool Feb 2022 #23
I favour Abu Ghraib. niyad Feb 2022 #59
Lock that hulking boob right the fuck up! Blue Owl Feb 2022 #3
This will be normalized Iwasthere Feb 2022 #4
#FailedCoupGuy is already on it: L. Coyote Feb 2022 #68
They will just say he declassified it Diraven Feb 2022 #71
He already tried to say that. louis-t Feb 2022 #77
trump was GONNA declassify them orleans Feb 2022 #5
Or he'll just claim he DID declassify the documents gratuitous Feb 2022 #8
He'll blame the moving company, run by Democrats of course, meadowlander Feb 2022 #37
Seems Timewas Feb 2022 #6
These are the things he had... 2naSalit Feb 2022 #7
Worth a lot of black market cash bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #9
He probably gave the really good classified stuff to Putin a long time ago. Ocelot II Feb 2022 #12
Yup! SheltieLover Feb 2022 #19
A thousand times, I agree with you slightlv Feb 2022 #66
I've wondered whether the people briefing Trump in national security meetings skipped a lot. Lonestarblue Feb 2022 #73
Just fucking hang him already. world wide wally Feb 2022 #10
Agreed. C Moon Feb 2022 #14
Nothing will happen. Boomerproud Feb 2022 #30
So many questions... so little time... ultralite001 Feb 2022 #11
Probably allowed viewing for the right price. C Moon Feb 2022 #13
Of course.. Anything for Cha Feb 2022 #31
Just watch the media wait until Trump bloviates about this before making it headline news Mr. Ected Feb 2022 #17
But her emails... SheltieLover Feb 2022 #21
The US ***** media Cha Feb 2022 #32
I'm finding (in my area) the local networks report better news than the big dogs. C Moon Feb 2022 #48
With Sinclair media infiltrating local news around the country Mr. Ected Feb 2022 #51
TY.. I've read that before here.. Cha Feb 2022 #61
Well, at least he didn't use a private email server. Lunabell Feb 2022 #20
They did use private email servers, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #35
What! Lunabell Feb 2022 #60
Everything tRump touches dies, because it's all turned into a for profit gig: Parks, txwhitedove Feb 2022 #22
LOCK HIM UP! lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #24
It is OK Chainfire Feb 2022 #25
Reality Winner got five years in jail for leaking an intelligence report about Russian interference sop Feb 2022 #64
He stole them to sell them not a texan Feb 2022 #26
seems reasonable mushroomhunter Feb 2022 #57
I didn't know there was any Cha Feb 2022 #27
consulted and will do? quakerboy Feb 2022 #28
I'm betting the Classified Information he took KS Toronado Feb 2022 #29
Yep. Kingofalldems Feb 2022 #34
Ah - proof they stole the 2016 election? Generic Brad Feb 2022 #78
Is he under arrest yet? Emile Feb 2022 #33
The National Archives referred the matter to DOJ. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #40
So the DOJ have this now, along with Meadows and the fake electors. Emile Feb 2022 #42
Zactly. "The DOJ will jump right on it." Duppers Feb 2022 #63
None of us knows what Garland is doing. Things take time. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #74
but... BadGimp Feb 2022 #36
Let me guess what those documents covered. Botany Feb 2022 #38
He is a treasonous bastard. gademocrat7 Feb 2022 #39
He needs to get locked up forever. Kid Berwyn Feb 2022 #41
We don't know what he didn't return. Farmer-Rick Feb 2022 #43
There are several possibilities. PurgedVoter Feb 2022 #44
FAKE NEWS! BEST PRESIDENT OF OUR LIFETIME SENT BY GOD! MAGA budkin Feb 2022 #45
Somebody inform Sean & Tucker. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 #46
Not a peep from them so far. Kingofalldems Feb 2022 #79
Why would you ever think he didn't? Jilly_in_VA Feb 2022 #47
ANYONE ELSE WOULD BE ARRESTED Jimvanhise Feb 2022 #49
Theyd have to prove criminal intent to convict. Kablooie Feb 2022 #50
But, But, But... RobinA Feb 2022 #52
Do Eeet! YoshidaYui Feb 2022 #53
should read "Russian ass-hat steals classified documents, commits treasonous espionage" bringthePaine Feb 2022 #54
The buck stops THERE, or THERE, or THERE or HILLARY, yes HILLARY... IllinoisBirdWatcher Feb 2022 #55
K&R stage left Feb 2022 #56
No, not the "Buck Stops Here" 3825-87867 Feb 2022 #58
"Trump, himself, didn't bring the boxes to Mara Largo!" Catherine Vincent Feb 2022 #62
Think moniss Feb 2022 #65
See my #70 post below. That's just one way to do it Captain Zero Feb 2022 #72
It comes to light just as he's being squeezed in NY. live love laugh Feb 2022 #67
Take a ghost, to be a republican that acknowledges BootinUp Feb 2022 #69
Steganography transfer if I was a betting man. Melania's auctions? Captain Zero Feb 2022 #70
Not only that 3825-87867 Feb 2022 #75
His bro Pooty would pay a lot for those. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2022 #76

Nevilledog

(51,172 posts)
1. New York Times article
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 03:48 PM
Feb 2022


Tweet text:

Mueller, She Wrote
@MuellerSheWrote
BREAKING: In a letter to Congress, the National Archives has officially confirmed that boxes taken from the White House by the former president included CLASSIFIED NATIONAL SECURITY documents.
A series of disclosures have raised new questions about whether former President Donald J. Trump followed federal record-keeping laws or mishandled classified information after he left office.
nytimes.com
Material Recovered From Trump by Archives Included Classified Information
In a letter to Congress, the National Archives confirmed that boxes taken from the White House by the former president included classified national security documents.
12:41 PM · Feb 18, 2022


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/18/us/politics/material-recovered-from-trump-by-archives-included-classified-information.html

No paywall
https://archive.fo/tN8Mq

Iwasthere

(3,169 posts)
4. This will be normalized
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 03:54 PM
Feb 2022

I know that sounds crazy, but so much has been normalized. Somehow they'll find a way. Lock the sob up already!!

Diraven

(526 posts)
71. They will just say he declassified it
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 01:38 AM
Feb 2022

Even though he didn't go through the normal process they will argue he had that authority while he was still president

orleans

(34,071 posts)
5. trump was GONNA declassify them
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 03:58 PM
Feb 2022

but he just didn't get around to it


so now he'll take it to the supreme court and thomas will rule it's not too late and trump can still declassify the docs--especially the ones that mention ginni thomas!


trump will have a pay-per-view as he declassifies each document he ever saw while simultaneously dj-ing in his pajamas in the midst of some moron's wedding party at (night)marealogo

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. Or he'll just claim he DID declassify the documents
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:06 PM
Feb 2022

And it will naturally be someone else's fault that the paperwork declassifying the documents hasn't been caught up yet.

meadowlander

(4,399 posts)
37. He'll blame the moving company, run by Democrats of course,
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 05:05 PM
Feb 2022

and the 35% of the country that treated us to three years of "buttery mails" will lap it up.

Timewas

(2,195 posts)
6. Seems
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:03 PM
Feb 2022

To me there is a whole lot of finger pointing accusations and head scratching but so far not a lot more.

2naSalit

(86,753 posts)
7. These are the things he had...
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:04 PM
Feb 2022

Deemed classified but shouldn't have been. The only reason they were classified was because they are evidence of criminal activity. Think the issues Lt. Col. Vindman described regarding classified info.

Either way, they are evidence of criminal activity.

bucolic_frolic

(43,256 posts)
9. Worth a lot of black market cash
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:07 PM
Feb 2022

Bet we'll not be told exactly what went missing, or it peters out to a cover story because they won't want to admit it.

slightlv

(2,828 posts)
66. A thousand times, I agree with you
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 08:19 PM
Feb 2022

and it really scares me to imagine what Putin knows about our National Security right now. Is this why he's playing this type of wargame with Ukraine? How much does he know about our troop strength, deployments, readiness, hardware (including tanks, etc.), cybertracking and cyberhacking. Has he figured out a tactical plan to exploit any weaknesses we might have? As many months as Trump has been out of office, those NSC documents could have been among the first Putin might have seen. He's had plenty of time to come up with a tactical plan. And that's right up his alley.

Heck, Trump could have given him all the info on our satellites and who knows what. Notice that one group of papers that are missing are from the "meeting" he had with the Russians where the American reporters, translators, etc., were thrown out and only the Russians were allowed to be in the room.

And then there's the way he looked after the Helsinki meeting... and again, no paperwork, no translations, no notes, etc..

For these alone he should be in prison asap and interrogated until he gives up the information on all of this.

Lonestarblue

(10,049 posts)
73. I've wondered whether the people briefing Trump in national security meetings skipped a lot.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:33 AM
Feb 2022

After the first few briefings, they would have realized that he didn’t understand anything but big charts with two or three items on them. After Helsinki, they would have recognized that Trump was in Putin’s pocket. Why give top-secret information to a man who would simply share it with an enemy? They could have given him some small stuff to keep him happy. That’s my hope anyway.

ultralite001

(894 posts)
11. So many questions... so little time...
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:16 PM
Feb 2022

Are these documents the RTumpster took hoping to cover his sizeable backside???

Or are these documents with information the RTumpster hoped to leverage...

Classified documents, foreign or domestic???

Regarding RTump cronies, or his growing enemies list???

Regarding RTump properties, or other investments/interests???

Nothing the RTumpster does is unintentional...

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
17. Just watch the media wait until Trump bloviates about this before making it headline news
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:22 PM
Feb 2022

So they can package the accusation with the unresponsive response and leave a meh feeling with everyone watching.

"It's just politics".

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
51. With Sinclair media infiltrating local news around the country
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 05:48 PM
Feb 2022

Don't be surprised if you won't be able to rely on that in the future either.

txwhitedove

(3,929 posts)
22. Everything tRump touches dies, because it's all turned into a for profit gig: Parks,
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:27 PM
Feb 2022

endangered species, voters trust, classified documents, people......

Chainfire

(17,601 posts)
25. It is OK
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:30 PM
Feb 2022

Trump lives under a different set of rules. He is not subject to the same justice as the rest of the country. I just wonder what the government would have done to me, when I was serving in the Navy, if they discovered that I took classified documents home with me.

sop

(10,227 posts)
64. Reality Winner got five years in jail for leaking an intelligence report about Russian interference
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 08:13 PM
Feb 2022

in the 2016 election. Chelsea Manning got 35 years (her sentence was commuted by Obama after serving 7 years) for leaking sensitive documents to WikiLeaks.

not a texan

(39 posts)
26. He stole them to sell them
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:32 PM
Feb 2022

Fat Donny stole those to sell them to Putin. Out of office he has no value to the Russians, with secret documents he has a bit of leverage. He is broke or going broke with no prospects of keeping his lifestyle. Has he ever earned a legal dime in his life?

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
78. Ah - proof they stole the 2016 election?
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:30 PM
Feb 2022

That could explain why he has been hyperventilating about the "Russia hoax" for the past week.

gab13by13

(21,385 posts)
40. The National Archives referred the matter to DOJ.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 05:08 PM
Feb 2022

65 days ago the select committee gave a criminal referral to DOJ for Mark Meadows.
37 days ago the Michigan AG gave a criminal referral to the Feds re: the fake electors.

Add this referral to the list. The National Archives should have done the investigation itself.

The main reason Trump took and destroyed documents was to protect himself from being indicted, making money from the classified info is secondary.

There is more classified info either out there or destroyed that has not been turned over yet. I know, lots of time, we can wait for Trump's lawyers to go over the documents.

So someone is pouring gas all over a building, so what, plenty of time, we can wait until he lights the match.

Emile

(22,871 posts)
42. So the DOJ have this now, along with Meadows and the fake electors.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 05:16 PM
Feb 2022

I'm sure the DOJ will jump right on this.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
63. Zactly. "The DOJ will jump right on it."
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 07:41 PM
Feb 2022

As I said last week, Garland is either too timid or intimidated. His is inaction is most troubling.


oldsoftie

(12,584 posts)
74. None of us knows what Garland is doing. Things take time.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:33 AM
Feb 2022

We've all grown tired of the wait. But most of us also don't know how the law progresses at the Federal level

Botany

(70,559 posts)
38. Let me guess what those documents covered.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 05:05 PM
Feb 2022

Trump and Russia. Lock him up now.

A New Report Adds Evidence That Trump Was a Russian Asset
He helped Putin manipulate the U.S. election in 2020, as he did in 2016.

As to Russia, the report leaves no doubt: In 2020, as in 2016, “President Putin authorized, and a range of Russian government organizations conducted, influence operations” to help Trump and hurt his Democratic opponent. For example, “Shortly after the 2018 midterm elections, Russian intelligence cyber actors attempted to hack organizations primarily affiliated with the Democratic Party.” Then, in late 2019, Russia’s military intelligence service, the GRU, “conducted a phishing campaign against subsidiaries of Burisma holdings, likely in an attempt to gather information related to President Biden’s family.” Throughout the 2020 election, agents “connected to the Russian Federal Security Service,” FSB, planted negative stories about Biden. Internet operatives working for the Kremlin, including the troll farm that had boosted Trump in 2016, continued to promote “Trump and his commentary, including repeating his political messaging.”

Attacks on Biden and his son, Hunter, were part of this operation. Through “US officials and prominent US individuals, some of whom were close to former President Trump and his administration,” the report says Russia’s intelligence services “repeatedly spread unsubstantiated or misleading claims about President Biden and his family’s alleged wrongdoing related to Ukraine.” In this way, Trump’s circle “laundered” the Russian-planted stories, which were then recirculated—and promoted by Russia’s online proxies—as American news.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/trump-russian-asset-election-intelligence-community-report.html

Farmer-Rick

(10,202 posts)
43. We don't know what he didn't return.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 05:18 PM
Feb 2022

You gotta wonder what Trump still has hidden at Mary-go-loco.

So, how much of it did he copy already? Yeah, it's illegal to copy classified documents but it's illegal to even have it at Mary-go-loco.

Then how much of it did he send to Putin already? I mean he knew they were coming to confiscate it. He probably just took a picture of all of it and, sold it then, sent it electronically to his pal shorty Putin.

So, now we know what secrets Putin knows. Putin has to act quickly on the secrets Trump provided before America changes it, recalls people or otherwise makes the info obsolete. I wonder if Putin's threat against the Ukraine has something to do with those secrets.

PurgedVoter

(2,218 posts)
44. There are several possibilities.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 05:19 PM
Feb 2022

The documents could be memorabilia. Probably not.
The documents could be stuff he didn't want Democrats to know. Likely.
The documents could be stuff he could sell to the highest bidder. Likely.
The documents could be stuff that will be worth a fortune in a few years. Possible.
The documents could be useful for blackmail. Very likely.
The documents could be stuff he could trade Putin for to get a Trump hotel in Moscow. My second best guess.
It could be plans, names of agents, locations of money caches, technical information, mineral surveys or salacious details he wants to have read to him at bed time.

I am sure that there are a lot of other possibilities, it might even be stuff he could pull out at the last minute to effect an election before it is gone through carefully and shown to not mean what he said it meant.

Considering how he doubled down and bet on a lot of things that didn't pan out, the odds are good that he has the wrong boxes or they were not as good a set of secrets as he hoped they would be. It might just be the collected nonsense he has proving he was spied on by Hillary while he was in the White house.

My best guess is that it is all compromat. The Republican party is way to loyal to this bastard for there not to be a good collection of compromat somewhere.

Jimvanhise

(302 posts)
49. ANYONE ELSE WOULD BE ARRESTED
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 05:38 PM
Feb 2022

When classified documents are removed without authorization it is usually assumed it is because they are going to be offered for sale to America's enemies. Why hasn't Trump been arrested? People have got to jail for ten years or more from stealing classified documents.

Kablooie

(18,637 posts)
50. Theyd have to prove criminal intent to convict.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 05:46 PM
Feb 2022

Trump will always have his excuses.
He didn't know about the documents.
Some one else collected them for him.
He's shocked, shocked.

No. It's Trump. Nothing will come of this. It will be just one more criminal scandal that will fade away into the background noise.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
55. The buck stops THERE, or THERE, or THERE or HILLARY, yes HILLARY...
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 06:03 PM
Feb 2022

had some evil lizard-person sneak those CLASSIFIED and TOP SECRET papers into my bigly, bestest house with so many of the most beautiful gilded rooms that I can't find where I hid the rest of them. I have so many toilets - probably the most lovely toilets in the world - that I can't keep flushing them fast enough. It takes 10 flushes each to get the paper down. It is criminal that Biden ruined American toilets. Shameful and probably illegal.

/snarlk/ for anyone who can't tell.

Captain Zero

(6,823 posts)
70. Steganography transfer if I was a betting man. Melania's auctions?
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 01:29 AM
Feb 2022

All those classified files the National Archives just got back?
They had over a year to insert them into images with steganography.

Melania could be auctioning off pictures with embedded documents in the pixels.

3825-87867

(855 posts)
75. Not only that
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:42 AM
Feb 2022

but some may be surprised at the number of "embeds" in simple pictures on just about any social media.

Used to be a good (German) program 10-15 years ago called Masker that did a great job embedding items in pictures or other media til TPTB got wind of them.

Once the picture had way too much data, it aroused suspicion in some searches. So those who did encryption found a way to break the data into many smaller bits, sequentially name them and allow you to DL a number of different pictures from different sites then decrypt and reassemble the data.

Of course, today, google and bing and Meta have programs that can recognize this encryption and stop the transfer...most times!

There was an old joke about two chemists, Smith and Jones(!) brought into the CEOs office. He told Smith he wanted an acid made that wsa so strong it would eat through anything. Then he told Jones to find a container to hold it.

Someone will always find a way around anything.

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