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Nevilledog

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Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:12 PM Feb 2022

Alexander Gabuev writes from Moscow on why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war



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If you only read one piece on Russia today, it should be @AlexGabuev truly excellent explanation of "why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war."

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Alexander Gabuev writes from Moscow on why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war
Elites have hijacked Russia and conflated the country's interests with their own
11:01 AM · Feb 19, 2022


https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/02/19/alexander-gabuev-writes-from-moscow-on-why-vladimir-putin-and-his-entourage-want-war

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ANYWHERE YOU turn in Moscow, it's easy to find members of the Russian elite who wonder why the West thinks that war in Ukraine is the Kremlin’s preferred course of action. Even if the Russian army managed to force Kyiv into a swift and humiliating defeat without too many casualties, the damage to Russia’s national interests would surely outweigh any potential military gains.

The problem is that the same logic was just as true eight years ago when the fateful decisions were made to annex Crimea and to stir conflict in Ukraine’s Donbas region. The fact that Russia has been able to endure the international fallout for all these years helps to explain why the region finds itself again on the brink of war.

When it comes to Ukraine, people in Moscow and the West can be forgiven for assuming that the Kremlin’s policy is informed by a dispassionate strategy derived from endless hours of interagency debate and the weighing of pros and cons. What actually drives the Kremlin are the tough ideas and interests of a small group of longtime lieutenants to President Vladimir Putin, as well as those of the Russian leader himself. Emboldened by perceptions of the West’s terminal decline, no one in this group loses much sleep about the prospect of an open-ended confrontation with America and Europe. In fact, the core members of this group would all be among the main beneficiaries of a deeper schism.

Consider Mr Putin’s war cabinet, which is the locus of most decision-making. It consists of Nikolai Patrushev, the head of the Security Council; Alexander Bortnikov, the head of the FSB (the main successor agency of the KGB intelligence service); Sergei Naryshkin, the head of Russian Foreign Intelligence Service; and Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu. Their average age is 68 years old and they have a lot in common. The collapse of the Soviet Union, which Mr Putin famously described as the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century, was the defining episode of their adult lives. Four out of five have a KGB background, with three, including the president himself, coming from the ranks of counterintelligence. It is these hardened men, not polished diplomats like Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who run the country’s foreign policy.

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Alexander Gabuev writes from Moscow on why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2022 OP
*In fact, the core members of this group would all be among the main beneficiaries of a deeper schis elleng Feb 2022 #1
They basically ruined their half of the world, and now want to ruin ours. lindysalsagal Feb 2022 #2
You can see where the dreams of the Evangelical Right ymetca Feb 2022 #3
There are few nations that are whiter than Russia... Wounded Bear Feb 2022 #5
Yup dhol82 Feb 2022 #9
This is great. Thanks for posting it. Native Feb 2022 #4
Fits like a puzzle piece. jaxexpat Feb 2022 #6
More reasons why this situation in Ukraine Roc2020 Feb 2022 #7
So sanctions only make the PUTIN cronies better off? UTUSN Feb 2022 #8
How else do you run an oligarchy? dhol82 Feb 2022 #10

elleng

(130,908 posts)
1. *In fact, the core members of this group would all be among the main beneficiaries of a deeper schis
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:28 PM
Feb 2022

the main beneficiaries of a deeper schism.

Consider Mr Putin’s war cabinet, which is the locus of most decision-making. . . The collapse of the Soviet Union, which Mr Putin famously described as the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century, was the defining episode of their adult lives. Four out of five have a KGB background, with three, including the president himself, coming from the ranks of counterintelligence. It is these hardened men, not polished diplomats like Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who run the country’s foreign policy.'



ymetca

(1,182 posts)
3. You can see where the dreams of the Evangelical Right
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:38 PM
Feb 2022

dovetail in with their schemes in this passage:

According to them, the American-led order is in deep crisis thanks to the failure of Western democracy and internal conflicts spurred by the promotion of tolerance, multiculturalism and respect for the rights of minorities. A new multipolar order is taking shape that reflects an unstoppable shift in power to authoritarian regimes that support traditional values.


Underneath it all is just the rankest racism, and pure white nationalist/white replacement xenophobia. "Whites ain't having enough babies!", they shriek. All the rest of their agenda pretty much stems from this.

"White Jesus" continues to hate the great melting pot of multiculturalism.

Hierarchy is the enemy of humanity

jaxexpat

(6,831 posts)
6. Fits like a puzzle piece.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:43 PM
Feb 2022

Putin's gang is accustomed to manufacturing their own reality. They've deluded their nation as they have themselves.

Roc2020

(1,616 posts)
7. More reasons why this situation in Ukraine
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:03 PM
Feb 2022

is all the more ominous. NATO will not back down because Democracies are seen as being on the ropes. And Dictatorships like Russia and China smell blood. It's on.

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