Ukrainian anti-tank vs Russian tank.

[roamer65]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2nes0/ukrainian_antitank_weapon_vs_russian_tank/

This is turning into a shooting gallery.

[exboyfil]

1. Can we send them a bunch of those?

[uponit7771]

5. I think they have another weeks supply and MORE are on its way. They can also shoot down ...

... slow moving Helicopters.

The MAIN reason UKR is still in the fight is because RA doesn't have air supremacy

[MarineCombatEngineer]

6. Probably a Javelin anti tank weapon,

if so, we are already sending them, along with Stinger man portable anti air missiles.

[mitch96]

14. From what I've read Germany has released 1000 Javelin and NLAW anti tank weapons to

Ukraine. A Javelin costs about $175,000 each. A russian T72 tank cost about ½ to one million each...Ukraine is getting 1000 just from Germany and god knows how many from US.. For free..
One man can disable 5 men in a tank..Heads up Vlad... Do the math...
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[MarineCombatEngineer]

15. Gee Vlad,

ya think ya mighta miscalculated the response of the Ukrainian Armed Forces ability to fight?
Ya think ya mighta miscalculated the response of the EU? NATO? The World?

[mitch96]

18. Yes and yes.. As the saying goes "no battle plan survives first contact" As seen in Ukraine

Now does PootyMcPootFace have a plan "B"... or is he just gonna pout and throw a nuke at them... I hope not...
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[DetroitLegalBeagle]

19. Looked like an NLAW or something similar

Trajectory looked too flat for a javelin. It also was too close to the tank. Javelins are designed for a top down attack profile. They can shoot direct if needed, but even in direct attack mode their trajectory is slightly elevated. If I remember right minimum distance is 60 meters or so but its been over a decade since saw one used.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

22. Thanks for the info,

whether it's an NLAW or a Javelin, send a shit ton more to the Ukrainians to create maximum damage to the armored forces.

[TomSlick]

23. I'm miles outside my military training (my battles were in courtrooms).

I also could not see the shooter clearly. That being said, I wonder if that was an NLAW.

Again, the video of the shooter was unclear but I didn't see what looked like the Javelin CLU. I've seen a lot of photos of Ukrainian soldiers carrying NLAWS.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

26. Apparently it is a NLAW,

and Germany has released 1000 of these armor killing weapons, along with MPAD's, to Ukraine, and the Us is sending many, many more Javelins.

The Russian Army thinks they have trouble now, they ain't seen nuthin' yet.

[TomSlick]

28. The Javelin is a bad-ass weapon system. The top-down attack on armor is genius.

The fire-and-forget capability makes the gunner move to a new location and find a new target while the missile is in flight.

I worry that there may be a step learning curve to become a proficient gunner but if the gunner has a lock on the target, it's going to be hit.

[Best_man23]

24. Could also be an RPG-29

Made in Ukraine and Russia and likely more available than a Javelin or NLAW.

RPG-29s proved effective against US and British tanks during the Iraq insurgency.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

27. Very possible.

All I care is that they are destroying enemy armor and causing the Russians massive headaches.

[Throck]

2. Return to sender.

[louis-t]

3. Stunning.

[EYESORE 9001]

4. Am I wrong in thinking tanks are an anachronism?

They’re suited to an earlier time - before shoulder-launched anti tank weaponry. They have been vulnerable to non traditional attacks since their inception, but they are essentially targets nowadays.

[NutmegYankee]

9. In open terrain they are still quite formidable.

But driving through forests or urban areas allows a lot of cover for ambush attacks. In places like the Middle East, tanks still dominate.

[roamer65]

10. +1000

[TheRealNorth]

12. They are still effective against militaries without modern anti-tank weapons

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

17. Tanks have their place

They can be incredibly effective when used properly. And not having infantry to support it is not using them properly.

[krispos42]

20. It depends on circumstances

First off, tanks are pretty hard to kill. They're heavily armored and can have things like reactive armor and anti-missile grills to defeat anti-tank missiles. Anti-tank missiles don't kill by kinetic energy, they have a specially-shaped explosive warhead that focuses the blast into a tiny area.

Reactive armor has a layer of explosive that "counter-explodes" upon impact; this disrupts the focus of the missile's warhead and reduces penetration.

Protective grills make the warhead detonate a few inches or so from the surface of the armor, again disrupting the focus of the missile's warhead.

Tank projectiles also move extremely fast, and it is very possible for a tank commander to see a missile launch and destroy the launcher before the missile hits the tank. Obviously it only works with missiles that are controlled by an operator, but that covers a fair number of missiles out there.

Tanks also move with infantry, artillery, and air support to suppress missile crews.

Terrain is a key factor: if you have lots of areas to hide in ambush tanks are very vulnerable. Wooded areas and urban areas are generally where tanks get very chewed up by entrenched infantry. Urban areas have tall buildings where missile crews can fire down on the the thinner top armor of tanks. Tank guns may not angle up high enough to take out crews in nearby buildings. And even regular civilians can bombard tanks with Molotov cocktails from tall buildings or from sewer grates.

Open terrain is the tank's best friend.

[Liberal In Texas]

7. "...If I had a rocket launcher..."

"...some son of a bitch would die...."

-Burce Cockburn, 1984

[Best_man23]

25. +1

[Celerity]

8. There is a big debate here within the Swedish government whether or not to

send Robot (Rb57) 57 NLAW's to Ukraine.

Joint Swedish-British Saab-made world class anti-tank light weapon.

[roamer65]

11. Field testing!

They should.

[mitch96]

16. I've read that BoJohnson sent a bunch of NLAW's over to Ukraine... good show!!

Now all they need is more antiaircraft weapons.
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[sl8]

13. Reddit comment: "I fought the NLAW, and the NLAW won". n/t

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

21. That was a shooting gallery basically

That tank was abandoned or disabled already. Gun up, not moving, and the camera man was just out in the open in front of it.

[Kaleva]

30. Yes, I think that was an abandoned tank

[Kaleva]

29. I wonder where the tank's infantry support was?

Immobile tank out in the open with no support . Is that doctrine?

[Quixote1818]

31. I would absolutely HATE being in a Russian tank going through Ukraine with those javelin missiles

streaming into the country. That one weapon alone may be what is making the difference in this war.