Russian soldier's last text messages to his mother

[JoanofArgh]

Link to tweet

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Here's a transcript of a Russian soldier's last text messages to his mother that Ukraine's Ambassador to the UN just read out from screenshots at the emergency session of the UN General Assembly

[greenjar_01]

1. Come on

[lagomorph777]

2. Yes?

[JoanofArgh]

3. It's from the Ukraine ambassador . Text messages on phone are included.

Direct your comments to him. There have been plenty of reports of young Russian soldiers not wanting to be there. Most of them are 1 year conscripts.

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. Thanks, fucking INFURIATING to read the comment you are responding to on DU

FUCK that makes me mad

Thank you for standing up for humanity!

[JoanofArgh]

7. Thank you! It's not the first time.

[Hav]

39. Yep and it's not just one instance

Whatever the subject is, you always see specific posters have a special bias that for some reason is always directed against Ukraine and always in favor of Russia. Every single time. The special ones are those who only get their insinuations out but rarely take a stand. It's pathetic.

[Eliot Rosewater]

54. And that FUCKING COMMENT is STILL THERE, what is WRONG HERE FOLKS?

[keopeli]

19. What the heck does this insidious post mean? Are you saying this is not credible? A UN Ambassador?

[BlackSkimmer]

40. People at high levels are not immune to fog of war stories.

Can we try not to attack people who simply want confirmation?

[greenjar_01]

44. This isn't fog of war

It's outright deliberate propaganda. COME ON.

[BlackSkimmer]

45. I was agreeing with your post actually.

The Twitter thread is quite illuminating.

I remember American POWS making statements against the US. The North Vietnamese made a big deal out of those.

Sorry I wasn’t more clear.

[Torchlight]

59. Any data to support it as such? Or just a guess? nt

I tend to think the automatic rejection of something as propaganda is as great a flaw to critical thought as an automatic acceptance of it is.

Two sides of the same coin.

[whathehell]

47. Knee jerk cynicism is a pose that often passes for "cool" here..

Automatic cynicism, automatic pessimism..It's a
"thing".

[BlackSkimmer]

49. I don't think it's cynicism.

Several stories have come out that have already been proven untrue.

Actually, being cool is not believing every single thing either side says. Time will always tell.

I support Ukraine, as I think we all do. But clear eyed vision and critical thinking are always important…even more so now.

[Javaman]

29. care to elaborate? or are you afraid to? nt

[whathehell]

48. It may sounds like "clownish propaganda" to you

not, it seems, to most here.

Then again, you may be trying hard to look "cool"

[greenjar_01]

51. Oooooh

You got your shot in. Bravo.

[BlackSkimmer]

41. Afraid of what?

[BlackSkimmer]

38. There's been a lot of fake stuff coming from high up officials. They are just as likely to be taken

as anyone else.

I understand your skepticism.

The Snake Island story turned out not to be true.

You shouldn’t be attacked for taking “fog of war” stories with a grain of salt until they are proven.

There’ve been several others proved to be false. Time will tell if this is true or not.

[greenjar_01]

43. I called the Snake Island story in a thread like this one

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16395317

Let me be clear. I support Ukraine in this and hope the Russian advance is crushed and turned back. But some of this propaganda is so silly that I'm not going to be quiet about it.

[BlackSkimmer]

46. I completely understand you.

I also support Ukraine.

Like you, I believe - as the old saying goes “ none of what I hear and about half of what I see.”

A very old lady told me that when I was very young.

[Cha]

57. "Come on.." & What, greenjar?

This Shit is Real.. we don't need any rolly eyes on the Ukrainian Ambassador to the UN.. Ukrainians are Fighting FOR their Lives & Country!

Link to tweet

[Aussie105]

4. I weep

for the innocents involved.

On both sides.

[GoodRaisin]

9. Absolutely. Nobody wants this.

They are all victims of this monster.

[BlackSkimmer]

42. This.

Thank you.

[RockCreek]

6. If you can go to Twitter there are good comments there. N/t

[FakeNoose]

8. The parents back in Russia weren't hearing any news about the invasion

This proves it - nobody in Russia even knew what was happening until the Army had already started invading Ukraine.

[FM123]

10. Those Russian soldiers were lied to by Putin. Like he lies to the whole world.

He told those young soldiers that they would be welcomed by the Ukrainians, probably even relieved they came to save them. How soul crushing to learn the truth.

[wnylib]

16. Like Iraq would welcome US and British sodiers

with open arms as liberators.

Well, they did get welcomed with open arms, just not the kind they were told to expect.

[iluvtennis]

23. Exactly! nt

[Evolve Dammit]

37. And who does that remind you of? He's orange and would do the same. We are lucky to have Joe.

[brush]

11. Putin has done this. True justice awaits his ass.

Here's hoping it comes very soon.

[mn9driver]

12. Regardless of whether this particular example is real, it is something we know is in fact happening.

These Russian conscript troops have no idea why they are being ordered to fight a war against Ukraine. Neither do most Russians. They are all frightened and horrified.

And like most of the world, they are anxiously waiting for the news that Putin has had a terrible random accident and has passed away.

[erronis]

18. Hate to say this, but all troops are considered expendable and are not given info on why

they are doing what they're told to do.

Call it duty, chain of command, love of brothers-in-arms.

This is why the armies like those 16-20 year olds. They don't have enough experience to say "This is shit. Fuck you."

Anyone remember "fragging" in Vietnam? If I were a soviet/russian officer I would be worried.

[jaxexpat]

24. This, comrade, is a very real thing you say.

[whathehell]

33. Maybe by Putin..

Not by everyone, and in a free society, soldiers can access information on a war's cause for themselves.

As to the Vietnam "fragging" incidents, those arose out of personal conflicts between individual soldiers
-- It had zero to do with higher ups view of them as "expendable".

[UTUSN]

13. K&R

[UTUSN]

14. K&R

[Aristus]

15. "They will greet us joyfully as liberators."

Anyone should know by now what a load of shit that line is...

[niyad]

17. "I just want to hang myself now." FUCK that murdering, insane monster putler,

and every single one of his enablers and supporters and excuse-makers, whoever and wherever they are. Nemesis, do Your job.

[BlackSkimmer]

52. I find it very hard to believe a son would write that line to his mother.

Even if I believed all the rest, no, not that line.

My uncle fought in WWII. My mom saved his letters, and I still have them. You’d think he was out for a jolly day at a picnic from the lovely upbeat letters he wrote to his mother, my grandmother.

He fought throughout the war and then at D-day, where he lost a hand. They knew nothing of this until he came home. And even then, he simply never spoke of it.

I find it very hard to believe a son would write that to his mother. Not a soldier.

[niyad]

55. Really? Assuming this note is true, that young man just learned that

everything he thought he knew, everything he had been told by those whom he was supposed to be able to trust, was a lie. He saw people dying in front of him, perhaps under him. Having dealt with veterans with PTSD, particularly from the Vietnam fustercluck, this does not surprise me in the least.

From the sound of it, he was a young conscript, not a battle-hardened soldier.

[Fla Dem]

20. Heartbreaking. He didn't know, his mother wanted to send him a package.

Putin and his henchmen are the devil incarnate. They are heartless, murderous thugs.

[calimary]

22. Yep. Heartbreaking is the word.

[TeamProg]

21. Holy f*ck. The entire world ( minus the GOP) is going to HATE Russia for decades. n/t

[Lonestarblue]

28. I do not hate the Russian people, but I hate Putin and the people keeping him in power.

Russia is a police state, and the protesters have been incredibly brave to protest the war in public knowing that many of them may be beaten and jailed. It would be virtually impossible for the people to overthrow Putin because he has decades-long control mechanisms in place. But the military and his oligarchs are another matter. They need to act because the world is standing against them and sanctions will destroy the Russian economy. The oligarchs might start paying attention when some of their yachts are seized by European authorities.

[Skittles]

50. I have despised the Russian government all my life

never her people though

[TeamProg]

53. It's going to be very hard for the Russian people until they ignite a regime change.

Yeah, I lived in the Richmond District of SF for a few years.. the most densely Russian neighborhood in S.F.

[Skittles]

56. I have tremendous sympathy for them

but it helps them rid themselves of that fascist piece of shit Putin, so be it

[dalton99a]

25. Kick

[IronLionZion]

26. It's not going well for Russia and many soldiers don't want to be there

plenty of Russians don't view Ukrainians as enemies.

[Jarqui]

27. We have seen elements of this claim:

There are multiple videos of what appears to be civilians of Ukraine walking/standing in front of Russian tanks

There was a video of a tank running over a civilian car with a driver it it - supposedly in Ukraine recently.

There is a photo essay of a 6 year old girl dying and then dead from the shelling - supposedly in Ukraine recently..

There are photos/videos of civilian areas bombed or being bombed - supposedly in Ukraine recently.

There is a recent report of 5,000 Russian soldiers refusing to go to Ukraine.

There are videos of captured Russians claiming they didn't know what they were ultimately asked to do - supposedly in Ukraine recently.

etc

So the report of the Russian soldier's texts lines up with a bunch of other alleged evidence about this war.
And shouldn't shock anyone familiar with Putin.

If the Russians continue to fail to take Kyiv, it could get much nastier ...

[Mr. Evil]

30. Putin must die immediately!

And his henchmen must be imprisoned... at least!

[70sEraVet]

31. Putin cares NOTHING about his soldiers.

I'm not sure how much our military leaders care about American soldiers, but I'm confident that President Biden cares.
I seem to remember the word "suckers" being applied to American war dead, by another President.

[Dopers_Greed]

32. This is a reminder that Russia's people are some of the biggest victims of the criminal Putin

[Mr. Ected]

34. I'm sure Putin has his advocates in Russia, but the saddest part of all of this

Is that whatever punishment is exacted against Russia for this diabolical incursion will be suffered by the Russian people as a whole and not the handful of bullies that pursued it.

Each of them should be hanging in the square tomorrow. And I'm sure there'd be no dearth of Russians willing to pull the lever.

[XanaDUer2]

35. Yes, the bullies will be fine nt

[Stuart G]

58. Horrific...This is What "War" Is All About, Has been, Is Now, And will Always Be!! And The Person Is

Now Dead

[KentuckyWoman]

61. I am one who takes it with skepticism

I have no doubt some Russian soldiers ... maybe even most ... don't want to be there. Don't have many good choices etc etc. I would expect there are 100's upon 1000's of riveting stories.

This one may or may not be real. Oh I would like to believe everything I see with my own eyes. Unfortunately we live in a time fake is pretty easy.

I say if it is true, my heart goes out to his mom.