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Marius25

(3,213 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:24 PM Mar 2022

Jan 6 committee has determined Trump committed crimes

The Jan. 6 select committee says its evidence has shown that then-President Donald Trump and his campaign tried to illegally obstruct Congress’ counting of electoral votes and “engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States.”

In a major release of its findings, filed in federal court late Wednesday, the committee suggested its evidence supported findings that Trump himself violated multiple laws by attempting to prevent Congress from certifying his defeat.


https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/02/jan6-trump-obstruction-justice-00013440

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Jan 6 committee has determined Trump committed crimes (Original Post) Marius25 Mar 2022 OP
Can Garland determine the same thing, please? regnaD kciN Mar 2022 #1
Yes, please! lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #51
Indict him now while he's on the ropes Walleye Mar 2022 #2
Best news of the day! BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #3
Man, big news. "The gauntlet has been thrown down." L. Coyote Mar 2022 #9
Everyone should contact their Reps/Senators Marius25 Mar 2022 #18
It doesn't work that way...nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #32
You can have them make sure Garland is actually taking Marius25 Mar 2022 #37
The only option congress has is to impeach Garland if they feel he is derelict Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #50
if he won't do it, he should be impeached. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #52
How/when would you know that he "won't do it"? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #53
It's been 14 months. We have ironclad video evidence of the crime. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #70
Garland does serve at the pleasure of President Biden Deminpenn Mar 2022 #58
Biden does not have the "right" to be briefed on any DOJ investigation Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #71
He certainly can ask for updates Deminpenn Mar 2022 #74
He cannot ethically ask for updates Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #76
The whole idea is to MAKE NOISE!!!!! calimary Mar 2022 #56
It doesn't work that way, to "make sure Garland" is doing something or not doing something. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #75
Nope, I don't think he wants any part of it. The why of it would be pure speculation at this point. Magoo48 Mar 2022 #77
K&R mvd Mar 2022 #4
Is this when Garland cites an unwritten rule that you can't indict dweller Mar 2022 #5
jajajaja cute nt DemocraticPatriot Mar 2022 #11
If they let him get away with it, NameAlreadyTaken Mar 2022 #6
Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #13
I'm going to bookmark this thread and predict now that he is going to get away with it. CentralMass Mar 2022 #43
+1 nitpicker Mar 2022 #72
Yay now can there be consequences, please thanks UTUSN Mar 2022 #7
+1 Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2022 #8
In America? Not A Chance. nt SoCalDavidS Mar 2022 #14
No shit! FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #41
YES!!!!!! sooner than I expected DemocraticPatriot Mar 2022 #10
I'm an internet attorney, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #28
Kick dalton99a Mar 2022 #12
Today FakeNoose Mar 2022 #15
Jan. 6th would have been a great day to do it. Haggard Celine Mar 2022 #81
Now Timewas Mar 2022 #16
Perhaps the fact that Congress lacks any power to do so? FBaggins Mar 2022 #20
Right Rebl2 Mar 2022 #21
Sorry Timewas Mar 2022 #22
The guy charged with seditious conspiracy Marius25 Mar 2022 #17
house arrest & 1 yr probation ! see this coming !! monkeyman1 Mar 2022 #19
The select committee has no authority gab13by13 Mar 2022 #27
I've read the no authority about a million times ,------ monkeyman1 Mar 2022 #30
K & R BadgerMom Mar 2022 #23
Where are the subpoenas? Where are the perp walks? sarcasmo Mar 2022 #25
Good mysteryowl Mar 2022 #26
I certainly hope they referred to DOJ for prosecution! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #29
The "can't indict a sitting President " RickHworth Mar 2022 #31
Here are the emails .... damn, it sure is fun pasting that! L. Coyote Mar 2022 #33
And the sky is blue and water is wet. Will he finally pay??? NewHendoLib Mar 2022 #34
whoop-de-doo drray23 Mar 2022 #35
Well??????????????????????????????? spanone Mar 2022 #36
All for getting trump. But the Committee has to do better than that. Hoyt Mar 2022 #38
VIDEO: 'Good-Faith Basis' To Conclude Trump Engaged In Federal Crimes: January 6 Committee L. Coyote Mar 2022 #39
In other news, fire is hot. AllyCat Mar 2022 #40
Of course he did, and what are they gonna do about it? GET ON THIS, CONGRESS!!!! lindysalsagal Mar 2022 #42
Hey buddy Put-In, I have dollars that I grifted from the govt, ... aggiesal Mar 2022 #44
Garland edhopper Mar 2022 #45
Go Garland NOW!!! TeamProg Mar 2022 #46
Here's what's behind the timing......IMHO Nevilledog Mar 2022 #47
They may well be doing that drray23 Mar 2022 #78
It's absolutely not, Nevilledog Mar 2022 #79
"Yes, water is wet." My thought reading this headline: L. Coyote Mar 2022 #48
The word believes is troubling burrowowl Mar 2022 #49
I'm reading interesting reactions to this bombshell, one of several to drop today. L. Coyote Mar 2022 #55
Worthwhile reactions, thanks. Hortensis Mar 2022 #57
Thank you for sharing. herding cats Mar 2022 #60
SOB needs to be in prison! Emile Mar 2022 #59
Eastman is claiming attorney-client privilege Deminpenn Mar 2022 #61
Lock him up malaise Mar 2022 #62
If Trump is indicted, ancianita Mar 2022 #63
Until the trial begins, lock him up for obstructing justice! Emile Mar 2022 #64
Another link malaise Mar 2022 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Mar 2022 #66
Is this the REFERRAL we have been kacekwl Mar 2022 #67
Golly gee whiz, I had no idea. n/t malthaussen Mar 2022 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author malthaussen Mar 2022 #69
Trump should be indicted and get the same punishment as Mitchell, Haldeman, and Ehrlichman LaMouffette Mar 2022 #73
he's a walking talking crime wave. barbtries Mar 2022 #80
No more gold toilets... it's stainless steel time with a built-in sink Blue Owl Mar 2022 #82
 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
18. Everyone should contact their Reps/Senators
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:52 PM
Mar 2022

Last edited Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:50 PM - Edit history (1)

and demand Garland indict Trump!

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
37. You can have them make sure Garland is actually taking
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:50 PM
Mar 2022

this seriously, which I'm not convinced he is.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,042 posts)
50. The only option congress has is to impeach Garland if they feel he is derelict
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:58 AM
Mar 2022

I mean, they could waste everyone’s time and call him in to yell at him in front of the TV cameras, but they can’t tell him what to do, they can only impeach him.

Is that something you would support?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
52. if he won't do it, he should be impeached.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:04 AM
Mar 2022

enough already. This is dangerous; the longer he relaxes at Mar A Guano, the more likely he gets away with it.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,042 posts)
53. How/when would you know that he "won't do it"?
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:19 AM
Mar 2022

There’s a big difference between “won’t ever indict Trump” and
“Wont indict Trump soon enough to satisfy my impatient lust for vengeance”

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
54. It's been 14 months. We have ironclad video evidence of the crime.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:22 AM
Mar 2022

Another month to get the paperwork together. Then get it going to trial.

Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #54)

Deminpenn

(15,231 posts)
58. Garland does serve at the pleasure of President Biden
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 05:55 AM
Mar 2022

Of course Biden doesn't want to, or even be seen as wanting to, interfere with DoJ operations, but he certainly has the right to be briefed by Garland about progress of the Jan 6 rioter cases or about Garland's current priorities at DoJ. Garland was nominated presumably because he was a good fit for the direction Biden wanted at DoJ, but if that has changed, then Biden has the right to ask for Garland's resignation.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,042 posts)
71. Biden does not have the "right" to be briefed on any DOJ investigation
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:36 AM
Mar 2022

That is why the WH and DOJ only communicate via their respective counsels. Any direct contact (as between Trump and Sessions/Barr) would taint DOJ with being politically influenced.

Yes, Biden could fire Garland, but has shown no such inclination, so the only option for those who feel Garland is derelict is impeachment.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,042 posts)
76. He cannot ethically ask for updates
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 02:08 PM
Mar 2022

DOJ is supposed to be “hermetically sealed” from interaction with the WH, period.

calimary

(80,136 posts)
56. The whole idea is to MAKE NOISE!!!!!
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 02:48 AM
Mar 2022

Rattle the cages of your Senators and Congressmembers and demand that they...

- look into this!
- push Garland to come up with something meaningful and/or significant. You've been at this for a year or so already? Anything???
- insist these bastards be PREVENTED from getting away with it - from trump on down. Demand it of anyone who'll listen.
- write a letter-to-the-editor of your local paper. Or whatever paper. But I've learned it might be easier to get printed in a local rag.
- if you have some sort of distinction in your home turf, offer to write an editorial.
- if there's an opportunity, how 'bout your local leaders/councilmembers/aldermen/county supervisors? Make noise! Don't let this die!

If noise is starting about whatever-topic-it-is, it's gonna start getting, and generating, attention. You WANT people talking about it. I'm old enough to remember Nancy Reagan warning soon-to-be-EX-chief of staff to her husband Ronnie, "people are talking."

Yeah?

Yeah. She knew it because she was busy dropping little hits and hints in strategic places and it started piling up against Regan's door. They soon were no longer on speaking terms, and he even hung up on her! His prestigious and powerful White House employment was doomed to be a thing of the past. If Nancy didn't like you, you eventually joined the walking dead.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/02/19/Report-Regan-hung-up-on-Nancy/8016540709200/

and

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/21/us/reagan-caught-in-feud-between-wife-and-aide.html

It was palace intrigue on Pennsylvania Avenue during that regime. Nancy was the power behind the throne.

Magoo48

(4,630 posts)
77. Nope, I don't think he wants any part of it. The why of it would be pure speculation at this point.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 02:31 PM
Mar 2022

Of course, grassroots pressure upon our reps is good, but we also need massive pressure from the White House as well. There is know way for us to know if such pressure exists.

I say this a lot; I hope I’m wrong.

Response to NameAlreadyTaken (Reply #6)

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
72. +1
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:08 AM
Mar 2022

Remember how we all got hyped up about Mueller's efforts?

And the impeachments?

ETC??

I just hope he's not the nominee again.

DemocraticPatriot

(3,961 posts)
10. YES!!!!!! sooner than I expected
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:45 PM
Mar 2022

such a determination from this committee...


"Filed in federal court" ?


Bring on the attorneys to explain what this means...

gab13by13

(20,389 posts)
24. I'm an internet attorney,
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:18 PM
Mar 2022

it means that Eastman will appeal if this judge rules against him, and delay everything until after the election.

DOJ could get the emails quicker than the select committee.

Response to gab13by13 (Reply #24)

Haggard Celine

(16,797 posts)
81. Jan. 6th would have been a great day to do it.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 06:11 PM
Mar 2022

I had a feeling then he was going to get away with it. When that day was over and he was never cuffed and was allowed to sleep in his own bed, I had a feeling he was going to get away with it. Somehow he always seems to slither away from any jail time. It'll be the same for the charges in GA and NY. Those will be postponed indefinitely until they can claim that he has dementia. No jail for Donnie. Not in this life. Any punishment he receives will be in the afterlife, if you believe in that sort of thing.

FBaggins

(26,566 posts)
20. Perhaps the fact that Congress lacks any power to do so?
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:01 PM
Mar 2022

Congress doesn’t play a role in indictments.

Timewas

(2,162 posts)
22. Sorry
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:11 PM
Mar 2022

I guess I need to b more specific, I did not necessarily mean congress. It will amaze me if anyone with any legal power to indict does so.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
17. The guy charged with seditious conspiracy
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:51 PM
Mar 2022

in the Oath Keepers also pleaded guilty.

Contact your Reps and Senators tomorrow and demand Merrick Garland indict Trump for seditious conspiracy and other crimes.

If Trump and his seditious supporters are not held accountable, this country is over.

gab13by13

(20,389 posts)
27. The select committee has no authority
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:22 PM
Mar 2022

to indict anyone let alone convict. Does it matter what this judge decides? I'm sure Eastman will keep appealing until after the election.

DOJ could get the emails a lot quicker if it wanted.

One thing about it, the select committee is going to put on quite the show, hopefully in prime time, to show the country all of the crimes that Trump and his cronies could have been convicted of.

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
30. I've read the no authority about a million times ,------
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:33 PM
Mar 2022

as far as the court system & D.O.J.---- it's just a crap shoot !!!

RickHworth

(118 posts)
31. The "can't indict a sitting President "
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:34 PM
Mar 2022

That came out of the Nixon / Agnew term. Both were so implicit in wrong doing that we, the United States of America, would have been left without a rightfully placed leader.
Plain and simple, we cannot advance beyond the vice president stepping into that role, even though the remedy is in the Constitution.

drray23

(7,539 posts)
35. whoop-de-doo
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:47 PM
Mar 2022

It does not really matter what the committee determines. Trump cult followers will still support him, those that dont will still not. The only important thing is whether or not that determination can be made by a prosecutor. Hopefully that will happen at some point..

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
38. All for getting trump. But the Committee has to do better than that.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:58 PM
Mar 2022

Now some of his henchmen are in real trouble.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
39. VIDEO: 'Good-Faith Basis' To Conclude Trump Engaged In Federal Crimes: January 6 Committee
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:04 PM
Mar 2022

Barbara McQuade, former U.S. attorney, discusses findings by the January 6th committee, revealed in a court filing in a federal case about obtaining documents from Trumpworld lawyer John Eastman, in which it is revealed that the committee has concluded that Donald Trump obstructed an official proceeding and "engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the U.S."

aggiesal

(8,817 posts)
44. Hey buddy Put-In, I have dollars that I grifted from the govt, ...
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:26 PM
Mar 2022

can you let me in? I supported your invasion.
Sorry I didn't get re-elected, I would have handed over Ukraine without using your military.

edhopper

(32,964 posts)
45. Garland
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:41 PM
Mar 2022

will do nothing about.
Garland will not go near a single Trump official.
They will all get away with it and the next time they will succeed.

Nevilledog

(50,067 posts)
47. Here's what's behind the timing......IMHO
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:18 AM
Mar 2022

The January 6th Committee knows that if the Republicans regain the House it will be disbanded. They are laying the groundwork to send criminal referrals to DOJ backed up with their good faith beliefs and findings to give DOJ enough to follow thru. A Republican house can't touch Biden’s DOJ.

drray23

(7,539 posts)
78. They may well be doing that
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 03:15 PM
Mar 2022

However, unless I am mistaken its not a prerequisite that congress sends referrals to DOJ. The Justice department can and should investigate regardless.

Nevilledog

(50,067 posts)
79. It's absolutely not,
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 03:20 PM
Mar 2022

I think they see it as a way to be seen as not political. We investigated and turned over our evidence. It's up to DOJ to make an independent decision to prosecute.



It's not gonna make the RWNJs stop crying about political persecution.

Deminpenn

(15,231 posts)
61. Eastman is claiming attorney-client privilege
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 06:07 AM
Mar 2022

prevents him from turning over documents the Jan 6 Cmte wants. The J6 cmte filing is a response to that. It takes the position that the documents are covered by the "crime, fraud exception" and in doing so makes the case that the committee has "good faith" evidence that Trump, Eastman, et al, were engaged in a conspiracy to defraud the US goverment and are, therefore, entitled to these Eastman documents.

This position was telegraphed weeks ago when Liz Cheney used the specific language of the US code statute during a public meeting of the J6 committee.

ancianita

(35,492 posts)
63. If Trump is indicted,
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:04 AM
Mar 2022

Republicans who help him from that point forward stand as accessories after the fact.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3

Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 684; Pub. L. 99–646, § 43, Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3601; Pub. L. 101–647, title XXXV, § 3502, Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4921; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §§ 330011(h), 330016(2)(A), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2145, 2148.)

malaise

(266,689 posts)
65. Another link
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:11 AM
Mar 2022
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jan-committee-trump-engaged-criminal-conspiracy-broken-laws/story?id=83220758

The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol attack said Wednesday it has evidence that former President Donald Trump and some of his associates may have illegally tried to obstruct Congress' count of electoral votes and "engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States" in their efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.

The committee argued in a federal court filing Wednesday that Trump may have committed two crimes as it challenged a bid by former Trump lawyer John Eastman to block investigators from obtaining thousands of pages of emails.

Response to Marius25 (Original post)

kacekwl

(6,969 posts)
67. Is this the REFERRAL we have been
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:59 AM
Mar 2022

waiting for ? I think trump (and other higher ups) will have to confess to all crimes in writing and video for anything will happen. He will probably have to walk himself into prison.

Response to Marius25 (Original post)

LaMouffette

(1,982 posts)
73. Trump should be indicted and get the same punishment as Mitchell, Haldeman, and Ehrlichman
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:19 PM
Mar 2022

received for the crimes they committed during Watergate—at the very least! He should actually get a worse punishment since the insurrection was about 1,000 times more egregious than what Nixon's minions did.

From the New York Times (1975):

WASHINGTON, Feb. 21—John N. Mitchell, H. R. Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman, three of the most powerful men in the nation during the Nixon Administration, were sentenced today to serve two and a half to eight years in prison for their roles in the Watergate cover‐up.

Robert C. Mardian, a former Assistant Attorney General, who was convicted with the others last New Year's Day after a three‐month trial, was sentenced to 10 months to three years.

Judge John J. Sirica of Federal District Court imposed the sentences at the United States Courthouse. He did so quietly and with little emotion, addressing the defendants one by one, in a brief, somber and tense proceeding.

Conspiracy Charged

The four men were convicted of conspiring to obstruct justice in the original Watergate investigation through such means as paying “hush money” to the Watergate burglars in return for their silence about the break‐in of the Democratic National, Committee, headquarters at the Watergate office and apartment complex on June 17, 1972. All but Mr. Mardian had also been convicted of obstruction of justice, and in addition, of various counts of lying under oath.


[link:https://www.nytimes.com/1975/02/22/archives/mitchell-haldeman-ehrlichman-are-sentenced-to-2-to-8-years-mardian.html|
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