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Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:24 PM

Jan 6 committee has determined Trump committed crimes

The Jan. 6 select committee says its evidence has shown that then-President Donald Trump and his campaign tried to illegally obstruct Congress’ counting of electoral votes and “engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States.”

In a major release of its findings, filed in federal court late Wednesday, the committee suggested its evidence supported findings that Trump himself violated multiple laws by attempting to prevent Congress from certifying his defeat.


https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/02/jan6-trump-obstruction-justice-00013440

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Reply Jan 6 committee has determined Trump committed crimes (Original post)
Marius25 Mar 2022 OP
regnaD kciN Mar 2022 #1
lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #51
Walleye Mar 2022 #2
BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #3
L. Coyote Mar 2022 #9
Marius25 Mar 2022 #18
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #32
Marius25 Mar 2022 #37
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #50
lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #52
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #53
lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #54
Chin music Mar 2022 #70
Deminpenn Mar 2022 #58
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #71
Deminpenn Mar 2022 #74
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #76
calimary Mar 2022 #56
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #75
Magoo48 Mar 2022 #77
mvd Mar 2022 #4
dweller Mar 2022 #5
DemocraticPatriot Mar 2022 #11
NameAlreadyTaken Mar 2022 #6
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CentralMass Mar 2022 #43
nitpicker Mar 2022 #72
UTUSN Mar 2022 #7
Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2022 #8
SoCalDavidS Mar 2022 #14
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DemocraticPatriot Mar 2022 #10
gab13by13 Mar 2022 #24
Chin music Mar 2022 #28
dalton99a Mar 2022 #12
FakeNoose Mar 2022 #15
Haggard Celine Mar 2022 #81
Timewas Mar 2022 #16
FBaggins Mar 2022 #20
Rebl2 Mar 2022 #21
Timewas Mar 2022 #22
Marius25 Mar 2022 #17
monkeyman1 Mar 2022 #19
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monkeyman1 Mar 2022 #30
BadgerMom Mar 2022 #23
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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:25 PM

1. Can Garland determine the same thing, please?

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:01 AM

51. Yes, please!

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:30 PM

2. Indict him now while he's on the ropes

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:33 PM

3. Best news of the day!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:43 PM

9. Man, big news. "The gauntlet has been thrown down."

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:52 PM

18. Everyone should contact their Reps/Senators

Last edited Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:50 PM - Edit history (1)

and demand Garland indict Trump!

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:35 PM

32. It doesn't work that way...nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:50 PM

37. You can have them make sure Garland is actually taking

this seriously, which I'm not convinced he is.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:58 AM

50. The only option congress has is to impeach Garland if they feel he is derelict

I mean, they could waste everyone’s time and call him in to yell at him in front of the TV cameras, but they can’t tell him what to do, they can only impeach him.

Is that something you would support?

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #50)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:04 AM

52. if he won't do it, he should be impeached.

enough already. This is dangerous; the longer he relaxes at Mar A Guano, the more likely he gets away with it.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #52)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:19 AM

53. How/when would you know that he "won't do it"?

There’s a big difference between “won’t ever indict Trump” and
“Wont indict Trump soon enough to satisfy my impatient lust for vengeance”

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #53)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:22 AM

54. It's been 14 months. We have ironclad video evidence of the crime.

Another month to get the paperwork together. Then get it going to trial.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #50)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 05:55 AM

58. Garland does serve at the pleasure of President Biden

Of course Biden doesn't want to, or even be seen as wanting to, interfere with DoJ operations, but he certainly has the right to be briefed by Garland about progress of the Jan 6 rioter cases or about Garland's current priorities at DoJ. Garland was nominated presumably because he was a good fit for the direction Biden wanted at DoJ, but if that has changed, then Biden has the right to ask for Garland's resignation.

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Response to Deminpenn (Reply #58)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:36 AM

71. Biden does not have the "right" to be briefed on any DOJ investigation

That is why the WH and DOJ only communicate via their respective counsels. Any direct contact (as between Trump and Sessions/Barr) would taint DOJ with being politically influenced.

Yes, Biden could fire Garland, but has shown no such inclination, so the only option for those who feel Garland is derelict is impeachment.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #71)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:26 PM

74. He certainly can ask for updates

Garland serves at Biden's pleasure.

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Response to Deminpenn (Reply #74)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 02:08 PM

76. He cannot ethically ask for updates

DOJ is supposed to be “hermetically sealed” from interaction with the WH, period.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 02:48 AM

56. The whole idea is to MAKE NOISE!!!!!

Rattle the cages of your Senators and Congressmembers and demand that they...

- look into this!
- push Garland to come up with something meaningful and/or significant. You've been at this for a year or so already? Anything???
- insist these bastards be PREVENTED from getting away with it - from trump on down. Demand it of anyone who'll listen.
- write a letter-to-the-editor of your local paper. Or whatever paper. But I've learned it might be easier to get printed in a local rag.
- if you have some sort of distinction in your home turf, offer to write an editorial.
- if there's an opportunity, how 'bout your local leaders/councilmembers/aldermen/county supervisors? Make noise! Don't let this die!

If noise is starting about whatever-topic-it-is, it's gonna start getting, and generating, attention. You WANT people talking about it. I'm old enough to remember Nancy Reagan warning soon-to-be-EX-chief of staff to her husband Ronnie, "people are talking."

Yeah?

Yeah. She knew it because she was busy dropping little hits and hints in strategic places and it started piling up against Regan's door. They soon were no longer on speaking terms, and he even hung up on her! His prestigious and powerful White House employment was doomed to be a thing of the past. If Nancy didn't like you, you eventually joined the walking dead.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/02/19/Report-Regan-hung-up-on-Nancy/8016540709200/

and

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/21/us/reagan-caught-in-feud-between-wife-and-aide.html

It was palace intrigue on Pennsylvania Avenue during that regime. Nancy was the power behind the throne.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:51 PM

75. It doesn't work that way, to "make sure Garland" is doing something or not doing something. . . .nt

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 02:31 PM

77. Nope, I don't think he wants any part of it. The why of it would be pure speculation at this point.

Of course, grassroots pressure upon our reps is good, but we also need massive pressure from the White House as well. There is know way for us to know if such pressure exists.

I say this a lot; I hope I’m wrong.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:35 PM

4. K&R

TFG can’t run if he’s in jail.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:36 PM

5. Is this when Garland cites an unwritten rule that you can't indict

a shitting president?

😑


✌🏻

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Response to dweller (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:46 PM

11. jajajaja cute nt

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:38 PM

6. If they let him get away with it,

then there is no hope for this country.

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Response to NameAlreadyTaken (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:14 PM

43. I'm going to bookmark this thread and predict now that he is going to get away with it.

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #43)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:08 AM

72. +1

Remember how we all got hyped up about Mueller's efforts?

And the impeachments?

ETC??

I just hope he's not the nominee again.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:39 PM

7. Yay now can there be consequences, please thanks

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Response to UTUSN (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:40 PM

8. +1

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Response to UTUSN (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:47 PM

14. In America? Not A Chance. nt

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Response to UTUSN (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:07 PM

41. No shit!

It's way past time for some god damn consequences!

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:45 PM

10. YES!!!!!! sooner than I expected

such a determination from this committee...


"Filed in federal court" ?


Bring on the attorneys to explain what this means...

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Response to DemocraticPatriot (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:18 PM

24. I'm an internet attorney,

it means that Eastman will appeal if this judge rules against him, and delay everything until after the election.

DOJ could get the emails quicker than the select committee.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:46 PM

12. Kick

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:48 PM

15. Today



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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 06:11 PM

81. Jan. 6th would have been a great day to do it.

I had a feeling then he was going to get away with it. When that day was over and he was never cuffed and was allowed to sleep in his own bed, I had a feeling he was going to get away with it. Somehow he always seems to slither away from any jail time. It'll be the same for the charges in GA and NY. Those will be postponed indefinitely until they can claim that he has dementia. No jail for Donnie. Not in this life. Any punishment he receives will be in the afterlife, if you believe in that sort of thing.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:50 PM

16. Now

What will they use as an excuse to not indict him???

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Response to Timewas (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:01 PM

20. Perhaps the fact that Congress lacks any power to do so?

Congress doesn’t play a role in indictments.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:08 PM

21. Right

Unfortunately

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:11 PM

22. Sorry

I guess I need to b more specific, I did not necessarily mean congress. It will amaze me if anyone with any legal power to indict does so.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:51 PM

17. The guy charged with seditious conspiracy

in the Oath Keepers also pleaded guilty.

Contact your Reps and Senators tomorrow and demand Merrick Garland indict Trump for seditious conspiracy and other crimes.

If Trump and his seditious supporters are not held accountable, this country is over.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:00 PM

19. house arrest & 1 yr probation ! see this coming !!

 

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Response to monkeyman1 (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:22 PM

27. The select committee has no authority

to indict anyone let alone convict. Does it matter what this judge decides? I'm sure Eastman will keep appealing until after the election.

DOJ could get the emails a lot quicker if it wanted.

One thing about it, the select committee is going to put on quite the show, hopefully in prime time, to show the country all of the crimes that Trump and his cronies could have been convicted of.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:33 PM

30. I've read the no authority about a million times ,------

 

as far as the court system & D.O.J.---- it's just a crap shoot !!!

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:15 PM

23. K & R

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:19 PM

25. Where are the subpoenas? Where are the perp walks?

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:22 PM

26. Good

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:33 PM

29. I certainly hope they referred to DOJ for prosecution!

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:34 PM

31. The "can't indict a sitting President "

That came out of the Nixon / Agnew term. Both were so implicit in wrong doing that we, the United States of America, would have been left without a rightfully placed leader.
Plain and simple, we cannot advance beyond the vice president stepping into that role, even though the remedy is in the Constitution.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:37 PM

33. Here are the emails .... damn, it sure is fun pasting that!

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:38 PM

34. And the sky is blue and water is wet. Will he finally pay???

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:47 PM

35. whoop-de-doo

It does not really matter what the committee determines. Trump cult followers will still support him, those that dont will still not. The only important thing is whether or not that determination can be made by a prosecutor. Hopefully that will happen at some point..

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:48 PM

36. Well???????????????????????????????

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:58 PM

38. All for getting trump. But the Committee has to do better than that.

 

Now some of his henchmen are in real trouble.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:04 PM

39. VIDEO: 'Good-Faith Basis' To Conclude Trump Engaged In Federal Crimes: January 6 Committee

Barbara McQuade, former U.S. attorney, discusses findings by the January 6th committee, revealed in a court filing in a federal case about obtaining documents from Trumpworld lawyer John Eastman, in which it is revealed that the committee has concluded that Donald Trump obstructed an official proceeding and "engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the U.S."

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:05 PM

40. In other news, fire is hot.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:08 PM

42. Of course he did, and what are they gonna do about it? GET ON THIS, CONGRESS!!!!

Do it NOW!

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:26 PM

44. Hey buddy Put-In, I have dollars that I grifted from the govt, ...

can you let me in? I supported your invasion.
Sorry I didn't get re-elected, I would have handed over Ukraine without using your military.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:41 PM

45. Garland

will do nothing about.
Garland will not go near a single Trump official.
They will all get away with it and the next time they will succeed.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:55 PM

46. Go Garland NOW!!!

Come on you Pit bull you!!!


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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:18 AM

47. Here's what's behind the timing......IMHO

The January 6th Committee knows that if the Republicans regain the House it will be disbanded. They are laying the groundwork to send criminal referrals to DOJ backed up with their good faith beliefs and findings to give DOJ enough to follow thru. A Republican house can't touch Biden’s DOJ.

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Response to Nevilledog (Reply #47)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 03:15 PM

78. They may well be doing that

However, unless I am mistaken its not a prerequisite that congress sends referrals to DOJ. The Justice department can and should investigate regardless.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #78)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 03:20 PM

79. It's absolutely not,

I think they see it as a way to be seen as not political. We investigated and turned over our evidence. It's up to DOJ to make an independent decision to prosecute.



It's not gonna make the RWNJs stop crying about political persecution.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:18 AM

48. "Yes, water is wet." My thought reading this headline:

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:29 AM

49. The word believes is troubling

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:29 AM

55. I'm reading interesting reactions to this bombshell, one of several to drop today.

Molly Jong-Fast
Don’t do crimes in email









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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #55)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 03:22 AM

57. Worthwhile reactions, thanks.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #55)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 05:58 AM

60. Thank you for sharing.

We're living in interesting times.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 05:57 AM

59. SOB needs to be in prison!

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 06:07 AM

61. Eastman is claiming attorney-client privilege

prevents him from turning over documents the Jan 6 Cmte wants. The J6 cmte filing is a response to that. It takes the position that the documents are covered by the "crime, fraud exception" and in doing so makes the case that the committee has "good faith" evidence that Trump, Eastman, et al, were engaged in a conspiracy to defraud the US goverment and are, therefore, entitled to these Eastman documents.

This position was telegraphed weeks ago when Liz Cheney used the specific language of the US code statute during a public meeting of the J6 committee.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 07:06 AM

62. Lock him up

That is all

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:04 AM

63. If Trump is indicted,

Republicans who help him from that point forward stand as accessories after the fact.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3

Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 684; Pub. L. 99–646, § 43, Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3601; Pub. L. 101–647, title XXXV, § 3502, Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4921; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §§ 330011(h), 330016(2)(A), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2145, 2148.)

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:08 AM

64. Until the trial begins, lock him up for obstructing justice!

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:11 AM

65. Another link

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jan-committee-trump-engaged-criminal-conspiracy-broken-laws/story?id=83220758

The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol attack said Wednesday it has evidence that former President Donald Trump and some of his associates may have illegally tried to obstruct Congress' count of electoral votes and "engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States" in their efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.

The committee argued in a federal court filing Wednesday that Trump may have committed two crimes as it challenged a bid by former Trump lawyer John Eastman to block investigators from obtaining thousands of pages of emails.

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Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:59 AM

67. Is this the REFERRAL we have been

waiting for ? I think trump (and other higher ups) will have to confess to all crimes in writing and video for anything will happen. He will probably have to walk himself into prison.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:00 AM

68. Golly gee whiz, I had no idea. n/t

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:19 PM

73. Trump should be indicted and get the same punishment as Mitchell, Haldeman, and Ehrlichman

received for the crimes they committed during Watergate—at the very least! He should actually get a worse punishment since the insurrection was about 1,000 times more egregious than what Nixon's minions did.

From the New York Times (1975):

WASHINGTON, Feb. 21—John N. Mitchell, H. R. Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman, three of the most powerful men in the nation during the Nixon Administration, were sentenced today to serve two and a half to eight years in prison for their roles in the Watergate cover‐up.

Robert C. Mardian, a former Assistant Attorney General, who was convicted with the others last New Year's Day after a three‐month trial, was sentenced to 10 months to three years.

Judge John J. Sirica of Federal District Court imposed the sentences at the United States Courthouse. He did so quietly and with little emotion, addressing the defendants one by one, in a brief, somber and tense proceeding.

Conspiracy Charged

The four men were convicted of conspiring to obstruct justice in the original Watergate investigation through such means as paying “hush money” to the Watergate burglars in return for their silence about the break‐in of the Democratic National, Committee, headquarters at the Watergate office and apartment complex on June 17, 1972. All but Mr. Mardian had also been convicted of obstruction of justice, and in addition, of various counts of lying under oath.


[link:https://www.nytimes.com/1975/02/22/archives/mitchell-haldeman-ehrlichman-are-sentenced-to-2-to-8-years-mardian.html|

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Thu Mar 3, 2022, 03:55 PM

80. he's a walking talking crime wave.

it didn't start on 06Jan2021

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Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:20 PM

82. No more gold toilets... it's stainless steel time with a built-in sink

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