Jan 6 committee has determined Trump committed crimes

[Marius25]

The Jan. 6 select committee says its evidence has shown that then-President Donald Trump and his campaign tried to illegally obstruct Congress’ counting of electoral votes and “engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States.”

In a major release of its findings, filed in federal court late Wednesday, the committee suggested its evidence supported findings that Trump himself violated multiple laws by attempting to prevent Congress from certifying his defeat.


https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/02/jan6-trump-obstruction-justice-00013440

[regnaD kciN]

1. Can Garland determine the same thing, please?

[lagomorph777]

51. Yes, please!

[Walleye]

2. Indict him now while he's on the ropes

[BigmanPigman]

3. Best news of the day!

[L. Coyote]

9. Man, big news. "The gauntlet has been thrown down."

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[Marius25]

18. Everyone should contact their Reps/Senators

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and demand Garland indict Trump!

[Fiendish Thingy]

32. It doesn't work that way...nt

[Marius25]

37. You can have them make sure Garland is actually taking

this seriously, which I'm not convinced he is.

[Fiendish Thingy]

50. The only option congress has is to impeach Garland if they feel he is derelict

I mean, they could waste everyone’s time and call him in to yell at him in front of the TV cameras, but they can’t tell him what to do, they can only impeach him.

Is that something you would support?

[lagomorph777]

52. if he won't do it, he should be impeached.

enough already. This is dangerous; the longer he relaxes at Mar A Guano, the more likely he gets away with it.

[Fiendish Thingy]

53. How/when would you know that he "won't do it"?

There’s a big difference between “won’t ever indict Trump” and
“Wont indict Trump soon enough to satisfy my impatient lust for vengeance”

[lagomorph777]

54. It's been 14 months. We have ironclad video evidence of the crime.

Another month to get the paperwork together. Then get it going to trial.

[Deminpenn]

58. Garland does serve at the pleasure of President Biden

Of course Biden doesn't want to, or even be seen as wanting to, interfere with DoJ operations, but he certainly has the right to be briefed by Garland about progress of the Jan 6 rioter cases or about Garland's current priorities at DoJ. Garland was nominated presumably because he was a good fit for the direction Biden wanted at DoJ, but if that has changed, then Biden has the right to ask for Garland's resignation.

[Fiendish Thingy]

71. Biden does not have the "right" to be briefed on any DOJ investigation

That is why the WH and DOJ only communicate via their respective counsels. Any direct contact (as between Trump and Sessions/Barr) would taint DOJ with being politically influenced.

Yes, Biden could fire Garland, but has shown no such inclination, so the only option for those who feel Garland is derelict is impeachment.

[Deminpenn]

74. He certainly can ask for updates

Garland serves at Biden's pleasure.

[Fiendish Thingy]

76. He cannot ethically ask for updates

DOJ is supposed to be “hermetically sealed” from interaction with the WH, period.

[calimary]

56. The whole idea is to MAKE NOISE!!!!!

Rattle the cages of your Senators and Congressmembers and demand that they...

- look into this!
- push Garland to come up with something meaningful and/or significant. You've been at this for a year or so already? Anything???
- insist these bastards be PREVENTED from getting away with it - from trump on down. Demand it of anyone who'll listen.
- write a letter-to-the-editor of your local paper. Or whatever paper. But I've learned it might be easier to get printed in a local rag.
- if you have some sort of distinction in your home turf, offer to write an editorial.
- if there's an opportunity, how 'bout your local leaders/councilmembers/aldermen/county supervisors? Make noise! Don't let this die!

If noise is starting about whatever-topic-it-is, it's gonna start getting, and generating, attention. You WANT people talking about it. I'm old enough to remember Nancy Reagan warning soon-to-be-EX-chief of staff to her husband Ronnie, "people are talking."

Yeah?

Yeah. She knew it because she was busy dropping little hits and hints in strategic places and it started piling up against Regan's door. They soon were no longer on speaking terms, and he even hung up on her! His prestigious and powerful White House employment was doomed to be a thing of the past. If Nancy didn't like you, you eventually joined the walking dead.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/02/19/Report-Regan-hung-up-on-Nancy/8016540709200/

and

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/21/us/reagan-caught-in-feud-between-wife-and-aide.html

It was palace intrigue on Pennsylvania Avenue during that regime. Nancy was the power behind the throne.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

75. It doesn't work that way, to "make sure Garland" is doing something or not doing something. . . .nt

[Magoo48]

77. Nope, I don't think he wants any part of it. The why of it would be pure speculation at this point.

Of course, grassroots pressure upon our reps is good, but we also need massive pressure from the White House as well. There is know way for us to know if such pressure exists.

I say this a lot; I hope I’m wrong.

[mvd]

4. K&R

TFG can’t run if he’s in jail.

[dweller]

5. Is this when Garland cites an unwritten rule that you can't indict

a shitting president?

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[DemocraticPatriot]

11. jajajaja cute nt

[NameAlreadyTaken]

6. If they let him get away with it,

then there is no hope for this country.

[CentralMass]

43. I'm going to bookmark this thread and predict now that he is going to get away with it.

[nitpicker]

72. +1

Remember how we all got hyped up about Mueller's efforts?

And the impeachments?

ETC??

I just hope he's not the nominee again.

[UTUSN]

7. Yay now can there be consequences, please thanks

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. +1

[SoCalDavidS]

14. In America? Not A Chance. nt

[FoxNewsSucks]

41. No shit!

It's way past time for some god damn consequences!

[DemocraticPatriot]

10. YES!!!!!! sooner than I expected

such a determination from this committee...


"Filed in federal court" ?


Bring on the attorneys to explain what this means...

[gab13by13]

24. I'm an internet attorney,

it means that Eastman will appeal if this judge rules against him, and delay everything until after the election.

DOJ could get the emails quicker than the select committee.

[dalton99a]

12. Kick

[FakeNoose]

15. Today

[Haggard Celine]

81. Jan. 6th would have been a great day to do it.

I had a feeling then he was going to get away with it. When that day was over and he was never cuffed and was allowed to sleep in his own bed, I had a feeling he was going to get away with it. Somehow he always seems to slither away from any jail time. It'll be the same for the charges in GA and NY. Those will be postponed indefinitely until they can claim that he has dementia. No jail for Donnie. Not in this life. Any punishment he receives will be in the afterlife, if you believe in that sort of thing.

[Timewas]

16. Now

What will they use as an excuse to not indict him???

[FBaggins]

20. Perhaps the fact that Congress lacks any power to do so?

Congress doesn’t play a role in indictments.

[Rebl2]

21. Right

Unfortunately

[Timewas]

22. Sorry

I guess I need to b more specific, I did not necessarily mean congress. It will amaze me if anyone with any legal power to indict does so.

[Marius25]

17. The guy charged with seditious conspiracy

in the Oath Keepers also pleaded guilty.

Contact your Reps and Senators tomorrow and demand Merrick Garland indict Trump for seditious conspiracy and other crimes.

If Trump and his seditious supporters are not held accountable, this country is over.

[monkeyman1]

19. house arrest & 1 yr probation ! see this coming !!

[gab13by13]

27. The select committee has no authority

to indict anyone let alone convict. Does it matter what this judge decides? I'm sure Eastman will keep appealing until after the election.

DOJ could get the emails a lot quicker if it wanted.

One thing about it, the select committee is going to put on quite the show, hopefully in prime time, to show the country all of the crimes that Trump and his cronies could have been convicted of.

[monkeyman1]

30. I've read the no authority about a million times ,------

as far as the court system & D.O.J.---- it's just a crap shoot !!!

[BadgerMom]

23. K & R

[sarcasmo]

25. Where are the subpoenas? Where are the perp walks?

[mysteryowl]

26. Good

[SheltieLover]

29. I certainly hope they referred to DOJ for prosecution!

[RickHworth]

31. The "can't indict a sitting President "

That came out of the Nixon / Agnew term. Both were so implicit in wrong doing that we, the United States of America, would have been left without a rightfully placed leader.
Plain and simple, we cannot advance beyond the vice president stepping into that role, even though the remedy is in the Constitution.

[L. Coyote]

33. Here are the emails .... damn, it sure is fun pasting that!

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[NewHendoLib]

34. And the sky is blue and water is wet. Will he finally pay???

[drray23]

35. whoop-de-doo

It does not really matter what the committee determines. Trump cult followers will still support him, those that dont will still not. The only important thing is whether or not that determination can be made by a prosecutor. Hopefully that will happen at some point..

[spanone]

36. Well???????????????????????????????

[Hoyt]

38. All for getting trump. But the Committee has to do better than that.

Now some of his henchmen are in real trouble.

[L. Coyote]

39. VIDEO: 'Good-Faith Basis' To Conclude Trump Engaged In Federal Crimes: January 6 Committee

Barbara McQuade, former U.S. attorney, discusses findings by the January 6th committee, revealed in a court filing in a federal case about obtaining documents from Trumpworld lawyer John Eastman, in which it is revealed that the committee has concluded that Donald Trump obstructed an official proceeding and "engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the U.S."

[AllyCat]

40. In other news, fire is hot.

[lindysalsagal]

42. Of course he did, and what are they gonna do about it? GET ON THIS, CONGRESS!!!!

Do it NOW!

[aggiesal]

44. Hey buddy Put-In, I have dollars that I grifted from the govt, ...

can you let me in? I supported your invasion.
Sorry I didn't get re-elected, I would have handed over Ukraine without using your military.

[edhopper]

45. Garland

will do nothing about.
Garland will not go near a single Trump official.
They will all get away with it and the next time they will succeed.

[TeamProg]

46. Go Garland NOW!!!

Come on you Pit bull you!!!

[Nevilledog]

47. Here's what's behind the timing......IMHO

The January 6th Committee knows that if the Republicans regain the House it will be disbanded. They are laying the groundwork to send criminal referrals to DOJ backed up with their good faith beliefs and findings to give DOJ enough to follow thru. A Republican house can't touch Biden’s DOJ.

[drray23]

78. They may well be doing that

However, unless I am mistaken its not a prerequisite that congress sends referrals to DOJ. The Justice department can and should investigate regardless.

[Nevilledog]

79. It's absolutely not,

I think they see it as a way to be seen as not political. We investigated and turned over our evidence. It's up to DOJ to make an independent decision to prosecute.



It's not gonna make the RWNJs stop crying about political persecution.

[L. Coyote]

48. "Yes, water is wet." My thought reading this headline:

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[burrowowl]

49. The word believes is troubling

[L. Coyote]

55. I'm reading interesting reactions to this bombshell, one of several to drop today.

Molly Jong-Fast
Don’t do crimes in email

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[Hortensis]

57. Worthwhile reactions, thanks.

[herding cats]

60. Thank you for sharing.

We're living in interesting times.

[Emile]

59. SOB needs to be in prison!

[Deminpenn]

61. Eastman is claiming attorney-client privilege

prevents him from turning over documents the Jan 6 Cmte wants. The J6 cmte filing is a response to that. It takes the position that the documents are covered by the "crime, fraud exception" and in doing so makes the case that the committee has "good faith" evidence that Trump, Eastman, et al, were engaged in a conspiracy to defraud the US goverment and are, therefore, entitled to these Eastman documents.

This position was telegraphed weeks ago when Liz Cheney used the specific language of the US code statute during a public meeting of the J6 committee.

[malaise]

62. Lock him up

That is all

[ancianita]

63. If Trump is indicted,

Republicans who help him from that point forward stand as accessories after the fact.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3

Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 684; Pub. L. 99–646, § 43, Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3601; Pub. L. 101–647, title XXXV, § 3502, Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4921; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §§ 330011(h), 330016(2)(A), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2145, 2148.)

[Emile]

64. Until the trial begins, lock him up for obstructing justice!

[malaise]

65. Another link

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jan-committee-trump-engaged-criminal-conspiracy-broken-laws/story?id=83220758

The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol attack said Wednesday it has evidence that former President Donald Trump and some of his associates may have illegally tried to obstruct Congress' count of electoral votes and "engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States" in their efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.

The committee argued in a federal court filing Wednesday that Trump may have committed two crimes as it challenged a bid by former Trump lawyer John Eastman to block investigators from obtaining thousands of pages of emails.

[kacekwl]

67. Is this the REFERRAL we have been

waiting for ? I think trump (and other higher ups) will have to confess to all crimes in writing and video for anything will happen. He will probably have to walk himself into prison.

[malthaussen]

68. Golly gee whiz, I had no idea. n/t

[LaMouffette]

73. Trump should be indicted and get the same punishment as Mitchell, Haldeman, and Ehrlichman

received for the crimes they committed during Watergate—at the very least! He should actually get a worse punishment since the insurrection was about 1,000 times more egregious than what Nixon's minions did.

From the New York Times (1975):

WASHINGTON, Feb. 21—John N. Mitchell, H. R. Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman, three of the most powerful men in the nation during the Nixon Administration, were sentenced today to serve two and a half to eight years in prison for their roles in the Watergate cover‐up.

Robert C. Mardian, a former Assistant Attorney General, who was convicted with the others last New Year's Day after a three‐month trial, was sentenced to 10 months to three years.

Judge John J. Sirica of Federal District Court imposed the sentences at the United States Courthouse. He did so quietly and with little emotion, addressing the defendants one by one, in a brief, somber and tense proceeding.

Conspiracy Charged

The four men were convicted of conspiring to obstruct justice in the original Watergate investigation through such means as paying “hush money” to the Watergate burglars in return for their silence about the break‐in of the Democratic National, Committee, headquarters at the Watergate office and apartment complex on June 17, 1972. All but Mr. Mardian had also been convicted of obstruction of justice, and in addition, of various counts of lying under oath.

[link:https://www.nytimes.com/1975/02/22/archives/mitchell-haldeman-ehrlichman-are-sentenced-to-2-to-8-years-mardian.html|

[barbtries]

80. he's a walking talking crime wave.

it didn't start on 06Jan2021

[Blue Owl]

82. No more gold toilets... it's stainless steel time with a built-in sink