General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUS and Poland currently working on a deal on MIGs for Ukraine
Link to tweet
?s=20&t=d0lt7nESy6_Gz5xMjXZyyQ
BREAKING:
Financial Times just confirmed that Poland and USA are still working on a deal that would see Poland donate its 28 MiG 29s to Ukraine and receive compensation from the U.S. in the form of used F-16s.
There is no time to spare! Do it tomorrow!
dsc
(52,160 posts)is that a good deal for Poland? Would our used F 16s be as good as or better than the MiG 29s. I assume Poland can fly them or we would teach them to fly them.
JoanofArgh
(14,971 posts)Zelensky specifically asked for old Soviet planes , for some reason. he's getting what he wants.
Below 200 knots, the MiG-29 has incredible nose-pointing capability down to below 100 knots. The F-16, however, enjoys an advantage in the 200 knot-plus regime. At higher speeds, we can power above them to go to the vertical. And our turn rate is significantly better. By being patient and by keeping airspeed up around 325 knots, an F-16 can bring the MiG-29 to its nose. But the pilot must still be careful of the across-the-circle shot with that helmet-mounted display.
McCoy and other two USAF pilots had the chance to fly in German Fulcrums and they explained some of the several limitations of the MiG-29. Their visibility is not that good, their disadvantage is a real advantage for us. F-16 pilots sit high in the cockpit. All the MiG-29 pilots who sat in our cockpit wanted to look around with the canopy closed. They were impressed that they could turn around and look at the tail and even see the engine can. Besides visibility, I expected better turning performance, the MiG-29 is not a continuous nine-g machine like the F-16.
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/f-16-vs-mig-29-when-the-mighty-viper-dogfighted-with-the-fulcrum-for-the-first-time/#:~:text=Below%20200%20knots%2C%20the%20MiG,turn%20rate%20is%20significantly%20better.
Salviati
(6,008 posts)Ukraine uses MIG-29's and presumably has pilots who know how to fly them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force#Current_inventory
And the idea is not as simple as it sounds. One link from many.
https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/is-poland-sending-fighter-jets-to-ukraine/
Brother Buzz
(36,422 posts)"Put me in coach, I'm ready to fly, today"
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,245 posts)☮🌻🕊💙🇺🇦💛🕊🌻☮
"Slava Ukraini!" "Slava Na Viki!"
"Glory Be To Ukraine!" "Glory Be Forever!"
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)Get them in the game, ASAP!!!🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Kaleva
(36,295 posts)They both were developed in the 1970's but are still considered capable aircraft.
Walleye
(31,017 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)Walleye
(31,017 posts)ornotna
(10,800 posts)Bev54
(10,050 posts)To receive jets from US or Canada, they would need to train on, they are much diferent.
PortTack
(32,762 posts)FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Hekate
(90,667 posts)Sunsky
(1,737 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)orangecrush
(19,546 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)mysteryowl
(7,383 posts)raging moderate
(4,304 posts)Hooray for Poland! Once again, Poland rises to the occasion!