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Trump likely committed felony obstruction, federal judge rules (Original Post) Marius25 Mar 2022 OP
How do you know he isn't? Ocelot II Mar 2022 #1
Because he would have been arrested by now. Marius25 Mar 2022 #2
Have you ever worked on a complex federal case? Ocelot II Mar 2022 #3
Well in case Garland hasn't noticed, he has a ticking clock here Marius25 Mar 2022 #5
+1 my thoughts too! Emile Mar 2022 #7
I think many don't realize that TIME/TIMING is a huge factor that Garland Hortensis Mar 2022 #9
This may suck to hear but... bottomofthehill Mar 2022 #8
They were part of the attack. Marius25 Mar 2022 #10
If it can be proven that they were part of the planning the attack, they may, and thats a may, bottomofthehill Mar 2022 #14
The story is much bigger than the headline implies: lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #4
I had fun skimming this opinion and the judge did a great job on the crime fraud exception LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #6
Patience SoonerPride Mar 2022 #11
Exactly Poiuyt Mar 2022 #12
Ted is correct. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #13
John Eastman says he will **NOT APPEAL** the court order LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #15

Ocelot II

(116,551 posts)
1. How do you know he isn't?
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 01:07 PM
Mar 2022

Criminal investigations that are the equivalent of mob crimes are not normally made public.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
2. Because he would have been arrested by now.
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 01:11 PM
Mar 2022

Garland has had tons of time and evidence to charge Trump and his supporters.

Gaetz is still free. MTG is still free. Cawthorn is still free. Boebert is still free. Brooks, Gosar, Biggs. All still free. Roger Stone is still free.

Ocelot II

(116,551 posts)
3. Have you ever worked on a complex federal case?
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 01:19 PM
Mar 2022

I've worked on relatively simple ones that took longer than this. It took more than two years to investigate, try and convict all the Watergate defendants.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
5. Well in case Garland hasn't noticed, he has a ticking clock here
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 01:30 PM
Mar 2022

since Dems are likely to lose control of Congress, and the 1/6 committee will be disbanded next year.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. I think many don't realize that TIME/TIMING is a huge factor that Garland
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 01:52 PM
Mar 2022

has always HAD to consider right up front. Not that there's only one huge time-related factor. There must be a number of big ones. Most will be dynamic and subject to huge shifts, many of which he and others on this battlefield create.

For most on the outside and kept carefully clueless about what's happening inside, there seems to be only one time, "fear/frustration time": As in, "I want! Now!" We should know by now that he's not investigating our wishes, and we should at least suspect that we know nothing about the "time" they have to evaluate daily.

bottomofthehill

(8,399 posts)
8. This may suck to hear but...
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 01:45 PM
Mar 2022

Gaetz, MTG, Boebert, Cawthorn, Brooks, Gosar, Biggs and the others who voted the way they did will be difficult if not impossible to convict. If they were part of the planning on the attack, that is another thing, but it is very difficult to convict a Member of Congress based on how they vote.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
10. They were part of the attack.
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 02:01 PM
Mar 2022

Boebert was live tweeting Pelosi's location during the attack, and compared it to 1776 before it happened.

Cawthorn was hanging out with the insurrectionists before the event.

Brooks, Gosar, and Biggs were all part of the planning.

Gaetz sex traffics children.

bottomofthehill

(8,399 posts)
14. If it can be proven that they were part of the planning the attack, they may, and thats a may,
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 03:22 PM
Mar 2022

be prosecuted for treason. If they were part of the planning and execution of the attack on the Legislative Branch. As to how they voted on 1/6, that is clearly protected by Article 1 Section 6


Article I, Section 6, Clause 1:

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
4. The story is much bigger than the headline implies:
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 01:24 PM
Mar 2022

A federal judge ruled Monday that President Donald Trump “more likely than not” attempted to illegally obstruct Congress as part of a criminal conspiracy when he tried to subvert the 2020 election on Jan. 6, 2021.

“Based on the evidence, the Court finds it more likely than not that President Trump corruptly attempted to obstruct the Joint Session of Congress on January 6, 2021,” U.S. District Court Judge David Carter wrote.

Carter’s sweeping and historic ruling came as he ordered the release to the House’s Jan. 6 committee of 101 emails from Trump ally John Eastman, rejecting Eastman’s effort to shield them via attorney-client privilege.

LetMyPeopleVote

(147,275 posts)
6. I had fun skimming this opinion and the judge did a great job on the crime fraud exception
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 01:35 PM
Mar 2022

I just skimmed the opinion. I am law geek and I had to read this opinion. here is a link to the opinion
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840.260.0.pdf

The judge bent over backward to find that Eastman had an attorney client privilege with TFG and that Eastman did not waive such privilege when Eastman improperly used Chapman University's email system. These were close issues and the judge gave the benefit of the doubt to Eastman and TFG.

The discussion of the crime fraud exception really made me smile





I love the last page of the opinion

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