The DOJ investigation into Jan 6th is the largest, most sensitive, investigation in our history.

[fightforfreedom]

I can understand why people are upset with Garland. He has indicted over 700 people who attacked the capital. However, it doesn't look like he is investigating the people at the top for the attempted coup. People are rightfully wondering why hasn't he indicted Meadows.

Now we learn Garland is requesting more funding and over 130 additional lawyers. I believe we have to put what Garland is facing into perspective.

What Garland is investigating makes Watergate look tiny. Garland is looking at investigating Trump, top Whitehouse officials, staff, multiple lawyers, some members of congress, members of state governments, possible a supreme court judge. Nothing like this has happened before in our history.

Garland has to take his time and do things right for such a sensitive, future defining, criminal case. He has to do this in such a way, it doesn't look politically motivated.

He started the investigation working from the bottom up, over seven hundred cases. Some of the defendants have been charged with seditious conspiracy. Garland still has more work to do with these cases. He is still searching for more people who attacked the capital.

While all of this is going on the DOJ has to investigate many other crimes in our country.

It is difficult to explain why he hasn't indicted Meadows. It does not look good, even the members of the committee are pissed off. In time we may learn there was a very good reason why Garland has not indicted Meadows. Time will tell, we all have to be patient, after all, this is the largest investigation in our history.

Garland is either going to become famous or infamous, there is no middle ground. He knows what is at stake. We have to give him more time.

[Walleye]

1. Garland must be aware of all the frustration and criticism

[wryter2000]

6. If the committee is frustrated

I feel justified in also wondering why the heck nothing seems to be happening.

[Walleye]

9. Exactly

[bottomofthehill]

15. No one is more frustrated than I am.

But, Garland is in a similar position to the 1/6 Committee. Public hearings have been put off for months now as more and more information is coming out. I am frustrated that we do not know the whole truth. It is not the 1/6 Committee or the Justice Department and thus the AG who are stalling this, it is the Former President, those who worked for him in and out of government and those who supported his efforts financially.

Even the 1/6 Committee who is working under a much shorter timeline than the Justice Department is is not moving as fast as I would hope they would.

I am frustrated, but know that it takes time to get to the truth. I just hope in the end we actually get to the truth so it never happens again.

[wryter2000]

25. Shouldn't some of the folks who are stonewalling be in jail now?

For not complying with subpoenas? That would get some cooperation out of them, I would think. Why are they out and walking around free?

I can buy into all the other arguments about how this has to take time and be done correctly, but I can't understand how Trump associates are being allowed to flout subpoenas. That's what's allowing the delays. IMHO going after Trump or maybe members of his family in this way would be a problem. But Steve Bannon? Mark Meadows? Why are they not being forced to obey the law?

Maybe there's some good reason for not enforcing them, but I have yet to hear it from anyone.

[cilla4progress]

2. Perfectly stated.

And if he is going to secure criminal convictions, the standard of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Still... so frustrated! Hope it is timed perfectly right before mid-terms! These insurrectionist government officials cannot be allowed to run again!

[Bobstandard]

13. The standard is set by a jury, not by DOJ

The DOJ shouldn’t be able to hide behind the idea that they can only bring slam dunk cases to court. If a jury doesn’t get to look at the evidence and decide if it meets the standard of ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ the rest of us are left with reasonable doubt about the reason behind the DOJ’s inaction.

I get that prosecutors don’t want to lose. But if you’re not in the game, you can’t win. If you go to court and lose, at least the whole country gets to see the evidence. If you don’t go to court, you’re implying that there was no wrongdoing, and we can all see that that is not the case.

[lagomorph777]

16. Timing it just before the election would not stop the traitors from running - would be way too late.

A whole 'nother process would be triggered by any insurrection convictions. But convictions will be months or years after charges are brought.

[Scrivener7]

3. .

[wryter2000]

4. All well and good, but...

Why has nothing happened to the people defying subpoenas? That can't be all that difficult or sensitive. If a few had been arrested, more might be cooperating and making the investigation easier.

We were supposed to have had hearings by now. The committee might have made more progress if people were talking. Garland may have another three years to work on this. The committee most likely has less than one.

[fightforfreedom]

11. Like I said, no one knows why he has not indicted Meadows. There may be a good reason.

The committee has the goods, the evidence. They are finding more and more everyday. They know they may have a time limit. The hearings will happen before the midterm elections.

This investigation is unprecedented. There is no road map to go by. Garland is going set precedent. That takes time.

[hamsterjill]

34. 106 days for Meadows

And crickets…

[Cracklin Charlie]

5. Catching all these traitors...

Is gonna require all the skills we have.

I think it’s a good idea to have tight, leak-free investigations. The rats don’t need to know what the cat is doing. Cats are stealthy that a way.

[Joinfortmill]

8. 👍

[Joinfortmill]

7. DOJ may be negotiating with Meadows.

There is much we don't know. My guess is we will see some movement from DOJ after the Jan 6 Committee public hearings. Sometimes timing is everything.

[Bobstandard]

14. What if the clock runs out and nothing has happened?

Are we just to assume that our betters knew things we didn’t that we couldn’t be trusted with knowing? I don’t buy that. I see inaction for what it is, inaction.

[Fiendish Thingy]

19. Do you see inaction, or just the lack of public information?

I know the “action” you want to see is indictments and perp walks, and since you haven’t seen those, you assume complete inaction by the DOJ based merely on a lack of public information.

[Bobstandard]

22. Exactly

The only action we see relates to the foot soldiers we see nothing from DOJ about Mark Meadows contempt referral, for instance. That speaks volumes.

[agingdem]

23. that's what I say

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remember the Mueller investigation, it leaked like a sieve...an indictment here, an arrest there blah blah blah...and every time Rod Rosenstein made some grand announcement we were giddy with anticipation...and then what?...Rosenstein narrowed the scope of the investigation and effectively stopped the investigation... Bill Barr did a rewrite, Trump walked and it was over..as for Garland, saving Trump's ass is not the mountain he intends to die on..

[hamsterjill]

35. Exactly.

And the inaction will affect the midterms IMHO because people will perceive that the Democrats are weak and not acting to get Trump.

[NanceGreggs]

10. Well put.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

12. Or, he's thinking the longer he takes, the more job security he has.

[Beastly Boy]

17. I am perfectly fine with people wondering about the progress of investigations

It is the continuous insinuations, despite all evidence to the contrary, that Garland is not investigating and does not intend to, or is deliberately dragging his feet, or is intent on derailing the investigations, that pisses me off. Also, it's about time we stop the months-long deluge of idle musings and fully acknowledge just how little we all know about the progress of the investigations and the difficulties Garland faces on a daily basis to push them forward. Keeping our ignorance and Garland's experience in mind might bring some measure of sobriety into our conversations.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. It's easy to explain why Garland hasn't indicted Meadows yet

If Meadows were indicted now, it would be for the contempt referral made by the committee.

That charge Carries a one year max sentence. Once indicted, Discovery is triggered, and Meadows (and his unindicted co-conspirators) would have access to every scrap of evidence the DOJ has.

Rather than rush to charge Meadows for contempt and risk fouling the investigation and prosecution of far more serious crimes of the Trump administration, it makes much more sense for DOJ to prepare a case to indict him for seditious conspiracy or conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, both of which carry a maximum 20 year sentence.

The significant evidence for these more serious charges has just emerged in the past two months, since the SCOTUS ruling and the testimony of Pence’s staff, and more emerges every day (Meadows texts with Ginni Thomas, Judge Carter’s ruling on Eastman’s emails, etc.)

I think Meadows would be more likely to flip if facing 20 years than if facing only one year, don’t you?

[fightforfreedom]

20. You may be right, that makes sense.

But no one really knows except for Garland. Garland must have a good reason for not indicting Meadows.

[Fiendish Thingy]

24. I bet Lisa Monaco (#2 at DOJ) knows. Nt

[fightforfreedom]

21. You may be right, that makes sense.

But no one really knows except for Garland. Garland must have a good reason for not indicting Meadows.

[former9thward]

32. No, not true.

Meadows would only have access to evidence relating to his case. And that case is very simple evidence. The Committee would show they subpoenaed Meadows and he did not appear. That is it. That is what he would have access to and he has that already. BTW he is not facing "one year". No court would sentence him to the maximum. He would be eligible for probation under federal sentencing guidelines and most probably would get that.

[Fiendish Thingy]

36. No, not true- Bannon is using his contempt charge to mine the DOJ for all evidence

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/07/why-to-delay-a-mark-meadows-indictment-bannon-is-using-his-contempt-prosecution-to-monitor-the-ongoing-january-6-investigation/

The fact that Meadows is facing a minimal penalty is all the more reason to wait until DOJ is ready with felony charges.

[Emile]

26. He said he going after all levels. Why did he start at the bottom level? Trump

should not be making imaginary hole in ones, he should be serving time waiting for the first Republican president to have the gall to pardon him. Time is wasting!

[Johnny2X2X]

27. Burden of proof is insanely high for the key players

Because none of it was illegal until the mob overpowered security and entered the Capitol. Short of tape or texts with the key players discussing not just the event and the march to the Capitol, but giving directions to commit the crimes that occurred there, it's just not going to be enough. Now the individual groups that assaulted the Capitol definitely planned illegal activity.

And furthermore, the Republicans scheme not to certify the election wasn't even a crime. It's antidemocratic bullshit, but not tacitly illegal.

[fightforfreedom]

28. Attempting to stop congress from performing their constitutional duties is a crime.

Trump and his enablers are guilty as hell. Your post is not accurate.

[Emile]

29. Apparently the DOJ has a different set of rules for rich guys and that's why he is starting at the

bottom level!

[lame54]

30. Many rungs to this ladder reaching trump...

Each one will take a long time
A luxury we don't have
He better start climbing soon

[Emile]

31. As an old man I can wisely say it is easier going down a ladder than going up! The DOJ

has a lack of common sense!

[myohmy2]

33. meanwhile...

...the well-funded republican "Big Lie" movement rolls on gathering steam...

...I'm afraid if nothing significant is done at the top before republicans take over again, it's over...

...investigations, our democracy, our liberties, life as we know it, gone...

...they will decimate anyone or anything that has stood in their way...

...fascists...