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Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:24 AM

The DOJ investigation into Jan 6th is the largest, most sensitive, investigation in our history.

I can understand why people are upset with Garland. He has indicted over 700 people who attacked the capital. However, it doesn't look like he is investigating the people at the top for the attempted coup. People are rightfully wondering why hasn't he indicted Meadows.

Now we learn Garland is requesting more funding and over 130 additional lawyers. I believe we have to put what Garland is facing into perspective.

What Garland is investigating makes Watergate look tiny. Garland is looking at investigating Trump, top Whitehouse officials, staff, multiple lawyers, some members of congress, members of state governments, possible a supreme court judge. Nothing like this has happened before in our history.

Garland has to take his time and do things right for such a sensitive, future defining, criminal case. He has to do this in such a way, it doesn't look politically motivated.

He started the investigation working from the bottom up, over seven hundred cases. Some of the defendants have been charged with seditious conspiracy. Garland still has more work to do with these cases. He is still searching for more people who attacked the capital.

While all of this is going on the DOJ has to investigate many other crimes in our country.

It is difficult to explain why he hasn't indicted Meadows. It does not look good, even the members of the committee are pissed off. In time we may learn there was a very good reason why Garland has not indicted Meadows. Time will tell, we all have to be patient, after all, this is the largest investigation in our history.

Garland is either going to become famous or infamous, there is no middle ground. He knows what is at stake. We have to give him more time.

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Reply The DOJ investigation into Jan 6th is the largest, most sensitive, investigation in our history. (Original post)
fightforfreedom Mar 2022 OP
Walleye Mar 2022 #1
wryter2000 Mar 2022 #6
Walleye Mar 2022 #9
bottomofthehill Mar 2022 #15
wryter2000 Mar 2022 #25
cilla4progress Mar 2022 #2
Bobstandard Mar 2022 #13
lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #16
LineReply .
Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #3
wryter2000 Mar 2022 #4
fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #11
hamsterjill Mar 2022 #34
Cracklin Charlie Mar 2022 #5
Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #8
Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #7
Bobstandard Mar 2022 #14
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #19
Bobstandard Mar 2022 #22
agingdem Mar 2022 #23
hamsterjill Mar 2022 #35
NanceGreggs Mar 2022 #10
PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2022 #12
Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #17
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #18
fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #20
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #24
fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #21
former9thward Mar 2022 #32
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #36
Emile Mar 2022 #26
Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 #27
fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #28
Emile Mar 2022 #29
lame54 Mar 2022 #30
Emile Mar 2022 #31
myohmy2 Mar 2022 #33

Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:28 AM

1. Garland must be aware of all the frustration and criticism

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Response to Walleye (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:35 AM

6. If the committee is frustrated

I feel justified in also wondering why the heck nothing seems to be happening.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:39 AM

9. Exactly

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:58 AM

15. No one is more frustrated than I am.

But, Garland is in a similar position to the 1/6 Committee. Public hearings have been put off for months now as more and more information is coming out. I am frustrated that we do not know the whole truth. It is not the 1/6 Committee or the Justice Department and thus the AG who are stalling this, it is the Former President, those who worked for him in and out of government and those who supported his efforts financially.

Even the 1/6 Committee who is working under a much shorter timeline than the Justice Department is is not moving as fast as I would hope they would.

I am frustrated, but know that it takes time to get to the truth. I just hope in the end we actually get to the truth so it never happens again.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 11:54 AM

25. Shouldn't some of the folks who are stonewalling be in jail now?

For not complying with subpoenas? That would get some cooperation out of them, I would think. Why are they out and walking around free?

I can buy into all the other arguments about how this has to take time and be done correctly, but I can't understand how Trump associates are being allowed to flout subpoenas. That's what's allowing the delays. IMHO going after Trump or maybe members of his family in this way would be a problem. But Steve Bannon? Mark Meadows? Why are they not being forced to obey the law?

Maybe there's some good reason for not enforcing them, but I have yet to hear it from anyone.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:28 AM

2. Perfectly stated.

And if he is going to secure criminal convictions, the standard of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Still... so frustrated! Hope it is timed perfectly right before mid-terms! These insurrectionist government officials cannot be allowed to run again!

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:56 AM

13. The standard is set by a jury, not by DOJ

The DOJ shouldnít be able to hide behind the idea that they can only bring slam dunk cases to court. If a jury doesnít get to look at the evidence and decide if it meets the standard of Ďbeyond a reasonable doubtí the rest of us are left with reasonable doubt about the reason behind the DOJís inaction.

I get that prosecutors donít want to lose. But if youíre not in the game, you canít win. If you go to court and lose, at least the whole country gets to see the evidence. If you donít go to court, youíre implying that there was no wrongdoing, and we can all see that that is not the case.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:01 AM

16. Timing it just before the election would not stop the traitors from running - would be way too late.

A whole 'nother process would be triggered by any insurrection convictions. But convictions will be months or years after charges are brought.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:29 AM

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:33 AM

4. All well and good, but...

Why has nothing happened to the people defying subpoenas? That can't be all that difficult or sensitive. If a few had been arrested, more might be cooperating and making the investigation easier.

We were supposed to have had hearings by now. The committee might have made more progress if people were talking. Garland may have another three years to work on this. The committee most likely has less than one.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:42 AM

11. Like I said, no one knows why he has not indicted Meadows. There may be a good reason.

The committee has the goods, the evidence. They are finding more and more everyday. They know they may have a time limit. The hearings will happen before the midterm elections.

This investigation is unprecedented. There is no road map to go by. Garland is going set precedent. That takes time.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:37 PM

34. 106 days for Meadows

And cricketsÖ

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:35 AM

5. Catching all these traitors...

Is gonna require all the skills we have.

I think itís a good idea to have tight, leak-free investigations. The rats donít need to know what the cat is doing. Cats are stealthy that a way.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:37 AM

8. 👍

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:37 AM

7. DOJ may be negotiating with Meadows.

There is much we don't know. My guess is we will see some movement from DOJ after the Jan 6 Committee public hearings. Sometimes timing is everything.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:58 AM

14. What if the clock runs out and nothing has happened?

Are we just to assume that our betters knew things we didnít that we couldnít be trusted with knowing? I donít buy that. I see inaction for what it is, inaction.

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Response to Bobstandard (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:16 AM

19. Do you see inaction, or just the lack of public information?

I know the ďactionĒ you want to see is indictments and perp walks, and since you havenít seen those, you assume complete inaction by the DOJ based merely on a lack of public information.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:27 AM

22. Exactly

The only action we see relates to the foot soldiers we see nothing from DOJ about Mark Meadows contempt referral, for instance. That speaks volumes.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 12:06 PM

23. that's what I say

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remember the Mueller investigation, it leaked like a sieve...an indictment here, an arrest there blah blah blah...and every time Rod Rosenstein made some grand announcement we were giddy with anticipation...and then what?...Rosenstein narrowed the scope of the investigation and effectively stopped the investigation... Bill Barr did a rewrite, Trump walked and it was over..as for Garland, saving Trump's ass is not the mountain he intends to die on..

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Response to Bobstandard (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:39 PM

35. Exactly.

And the inaction will affect the midterms IMHO because people will perceive that the Democrats are weak and not acting to get Trump.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:41 AM

10. Well put.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:49 AM

12. Or, he's thinking the longer he takes, the more job security he has.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:08 AM

17. I am perfectly fine with people wondering about the progress of investigations

It is the continuous insinuations, despite all evidence to the contrary, that Garland is not investigating and does not intend to, or is deliberately dragging his feet, or is intent on derailing the investigations, that pisses me off. Also, it's about time we stop the months-long deluge of idle musings and fully acknowledge just how little we all know about the progress of the investigations and the difficulties Garland faces on a daily basis to push them forward. Keeping our ignorance and Garland's experience in mind might bring some measure of sobriety into our conversations.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:14 AM

18. It's easy to explain why Garland hasn't indicted Meadows yet

If Meadows were indicted now, it would be for the contempt referral made by the committee.

That charge Carries a one year max sentence. Once indicted, Discovery is triggered, and Meadows (and his unindicted co-conspirators) would have access to every scrap of evidence the DOJ has.

Rather than rush to charge Meadows for contempt and risk fouling the investigation and prosecution of far more serious crimes of the Trump administration, it makes much more sense for DOJ to prepare a case to indict him for seditious conspiracy or conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, both of which carry a maximum 20 year sentence.

The significant evidence for these more serious charges has just emerged in the past two months, since the SCOTUS ruling and the testimony of Penceís staff, and more emerges every day (Meadows texts with Ginni Thomas, Judge Carterís ruling on Eastmanís emails, etc.)

I think Meadows would be more likely to flip if facing 20 years than if facing only one year, donít you?

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:20 AM

20. You may be right, that makes sense.

But no one really knows except for Garland. Garland must have a good reason for not indicting Meadows.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 12:40 PM

24. I bet Lisa Monaco (#2 at DOJ) knows. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:22 AM

21. You may be right, that makes sense.

But no one really knows except for Garland. Garland must have a good reason for not indicting Meadows.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:22 PM

32. No, not true.

Meadows would only have access to evidence relating to his case. And that case is very simple evidence. The Committee would show they subpoenaed Meadows and he did not appear. That is it. That is what he would have access to and he has that already. BTW he is not facing "one year". No court would sentence him to the maximum. He would be eligible for probation under federal sentencing guidelines and most probably would get that.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:57 PM

36. No, not true- Bannon is using his contempt charge to mine the DOJ for all evidence

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/07/why-to-delay-a-mark-meadows-indictment-bannon-is-using-his-contempt-prosecution-to-monitor-the-ongoing-january-6-investigation/

The fact that Meadows is facing a minimal penalty is all the more reason to wait until DOJ is ready with felony charges.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:00 PM

26. He said he going after all levels. Why did he start at the bottom level? Trump

should not be making imaginary hole in ones, he should be serving time waiting for the first Republican president to have the gall to pardon him. Time is wasting!

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:02 PM

27. Burden of proof is insanely high for the key players

Because none of it was illegal until the mob overpowered security and entered the Capitol. Short of tape or texts with the key players discussing not just the event and the march to the Capitol, but giving directions to commit the crimes that occurred there, it's just not going to be enough. Now the individual groups that assaulted the Capitol definitely planned illegal activity.

And furthermore, the Republicans scheme not to certify the election wasn't even a crime. It's antidemocratic bullshit, but not tacitly illegal.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:10 PM

28. Attempting to stop congress from performing their constitutional duties is a crime.

Trump and his enablers are guilty as hell. Your post is not accurate.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:58 PM

29. Apparently the DOJ has a different set of rules for rich guys and that's why he is starting at the

bottom level!

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 02:02 PM

30. Many rungs to this ladder reaching trump...

Each one will take a long time
A luxury we don't have
He better start climbing soon

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Response to lame54 (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 02:39 PM

31. As an old man I can wisely say it is easier going down a ladder than going up! The DOJ

has a lack of common sense!

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:35 PM

33. meanwhile...

...the well-funded republican "Big Lie" movement rolls on gathering steam...

...I'm afraid if nothing significant is done at the top before republicans take over again, it's over...

...investigations, our democracy, our liberties, life as we know it, gone...

...they will decimate anyone or anything that has stood in their way...

...fascists...

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