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(61,599 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)One at a time, coming in hot.
rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)iemanja
(53,032 posts)That is why the statement doesn't hold water.
ck4829
(35,070 posts)iemanja
(53,032 posts)Would be extremely difficult. I suppose they could just bomb the Kremlin, but as you say, the ramifications wouldn't be good.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)chowder66
(9,067 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I can't imagine what kind of human being would even think of doing such an evil, horrible thing. When I hear about things like this, I sometimes feel like I just want to leave this planet. What the FUCK is wrong with people?
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)I've been recently reading all sorts of accounts about people's grandparents etc during their country's "liberation" by the Soviet army.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I read not only about the Russians raping the women of Berlin, and sometimes killing them, but - and this I did not know until a few minutes ago - they actually raped the female Jewish concentration camp victims after they had released them.
Said one Russian soldier "I gave you your freedom, so I own you." Fucking bastards. How on earth could you do that to people who have already been traumatized beyond belief. I hope they are all burning in hell for eternity.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)And authoritarian dark triad trash on this planet was dead. Every single one,dead.
Ziggysmom
(3,407 posts)alarming rate. Not only are humans sociopaths, but corporations are as well. I left the nursing profession over 25 years ago due to sociopaths. You would think the world had learned something from WWII and the Holocaust. Something about them initially appeals to the masses and they become political and business leaders. Not everyone recognizes their true evil underpinnings, but those of us that do are horrified beyond belief.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)Wish more people understood they are the enemy of all life and sanity.
And having them gone would allow people to heal,and begin to go out and socialize freely again.
Why are these dark triad fuckers tolerated?
They destroy everything.
Kittycatkat
(1,356 posts)Hekate
(90,674 posts)
Polish Jewish grandma had to say about Russian soldiers.
Raping the enemy's women and girls is as old as humankind and even chimpanzees do it. But it is still a war-crime. There are laws now. It is a goddamned war-crime.
Emile
(22,712 posts)live love laugh
(13,104 posts)gaskinite
(73 posts)Believe that rape is acceptable practice.
live love laugh
(13,104 posts)at the beginning of the invasion looking for orphans.
Kittycatkat
(1,356 posts)As a country, we need to take the focus off a woman's ovaries and start focusing on putting rapists in jail, instead of in positions of authority. This is fu#@ing ridiculous!
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)I won't be bothered any more.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I hope every single one of these bastards are exterminated like the vermin that they are.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)They raped over a million German woman after WWII.
Dan
(3,554 posts)But what the Germans did - preceding, during, and afterwards of WWII - should make you put the Russian soldiers use of rape in perspective.
Moebym
(989 posts)That the rape of German women was justified given the circumstances?
I sure as hell hope not.
Dan
(3,554 posts)But WWII was a dirty, nasty, genocidal, ugly conflict with no safe zones.
Was the rape of German women justified, I cant answer that. I was not part of an army whose country had been invaded, million (with a M) of their people killed.
But what I will say - is that the German people were supporters of that war, that included the women. Sometimes, there are unintended consequences as a result of decisions made. I tend to think that getting killed was a much uglier outcome than rape, but Im a man. I cant speak as a woman.
Whereas, I am also sure that when the German army was not killing, I am sure that they also got their pound of flesh (to put ugly terms on it).
That WWII was a war of annihilation - on both sides.
And before we get all holy, American soldiers raped too, as did the Allies. For that matter, I am not sure what army didnt.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)It wasn't just revenge against Germany.
All armies did it, but the Russians were renouned for it. And not just in Germany.
Also many women and girls were killed after being raped, so no, not really "preferable".
Dan
(3,554 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Really?
Wow
.
Dan
(3,554 posts)Reference WWII :
Was Rape used as a tool for subjugation and/or strategy in the act of war, by either side?
In particular the German side? Was said subjugation and/or strategy necessary to accomplish the military goals?
Silent3
(15,210 posts)...justified.
It is in fact never justified to hurt anyone for the harm other people have done to you. Those German women raped by Russian soldiers were not the Germans who invaded Russian or who killed Russians. And I'm sure the raped women and girls didn't get quizzed on whether they were personally supporters of what invading Germans did to Russians either.
Much of the evil of war comes down to treating people as if they are all interchangeable targets, any one of them just as guilty as any other for whatever grudge you hold against some group as a whole.
Dan
(3,554 posts)I think that once you commit your army to war - you should defines your goals; base your strategy on achieving those goals; and provide the resources necessary to achieving that strategy in pursuit of those goals.
I will leave morality to the philosophers.
Silent3
(15,210 posts)The only justifiable reason to wage war in the first place is to prevent a greater harm or injustice. Of course "greater harm" is very subjective, so I'm not saying "justifiable" is always straightforward and clear, but I'd hope most of humanity can get on board with the idea that "we don't like you and want to kill you and take your stuff" isn't good enough a reason.
Then, even given the need to fight a war, I don't see why you're so disturbingly eager to treat war as a morality-free zone, like it's an excuse to do anything you want to anyone you classify as "the enemy".
Dan
(3,554 posts)Interesting
I will now leave WWII in the past.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)Never get captured, even the women and children should go down fighting. I believe Japan had that mentality and that's why we had to nuke them to get them to give up
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)that war should not exist.
But it does, and will for the foreseeable future.
mucifer
(23,542 posts)Kittycatkat
(1,356 posts)Rapists will use any excuse to rape, because they are rapists.
XanaDUer2
(10,662 posts)Hekate
(90,674 posts)XanaDUer2
(10,662 posts)I'm gutted
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Ive read it here from a couple of sources. Theres photos here of villagers tied and shot, buried in mass graves. Its bad.
Thats in addition to bombing maternity hospitals and civilian escape routes, which we already knew about.
Igel
(35,300 posts)But also bodies.
There's also the "double tap" when they bomb a place and when the rescuers show up there's another bomb dropped.
I've seen both mentioned in the last 20 years--but usually they were suicide bombers and such.
I would say that this should change the minds of some Russian families--but which mother will want to say, "I'm proud of being Russian. My son fought in Bucha. Look at how manly he was!" while seeing these images and admitting they're true?
Mariana
(14,856 posts)I'd prefer if they didn't use Twitter as a source without some corroboration.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)They said children were raped right in front of their mothers. They were also used as human shields.
When Germany was about to lose WW2 the Germans prayed that Americans would get ot them before the Soviets since they would brutally rape women and impregnate them. Many killed themselves afterwards.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)RockRaven
(14,966 posts)duped and used as pawns by Putin? I'm beyond ready never to see another one of those.
Lonestarblue
(9,984 posts)And Putin requested Chechen soldiers to assist his attack because they too are known to be brutal rapists. NATO and the UN have enough evidence of war crimes to intervene on behalf of Ukraine. Its long past time they did so, in spite of Putins threats ro use nuclear weapons. Putin cannot be allowed to win this time.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)On behalf of Ukraine. They are doing so in a variety of ways that the Ukraine alone could not do so on their own. To urge direct military participation invites a much wider conflict with many more destruction.
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)This is the enemy.
Not surprised one bit.
EndlessWire
(6,526 posts)People are people everywhere. I think it's a war crime for which Putin and his cadre should be tried and imprisoned. I think they should be indicted in the Hague, NOW, not later. But, I don't think Russians have a culture of rapacious skulduggery.
BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)Evil scum.
rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)Because human right's violations were bad before the war.
ColinC
(8,291 posts)And allow Russia to be impervious to the most egregious war crimes.
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)"The Russian soldiers raped every German woman from 8 to 80"