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More Russian war crimes. Little girls raped. (Original Post) Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 OP
But it's wrong for Biden to say that Putin has to go, per media. yardwork Apr 2022 #1
IMO it wasn't helpful. I'd rather he gave Ukraine cruise missiles. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #3
I'd rather we give Russia cruise missiles COL Mustard Apr 2022 #32
Wrong, if you don't say what Putin and Russian oligarchs are then you accept it rockfordfile Apr 2022 #57
The US doesn't have the capacity to get rid of Putin iemanja Apr 2022 #12
Well, no. The capacity exists, it's the ramifications that wouldn't be pleasing ck4829 Apr 2022 #13
Getting to Putin iemanja Apr 2022 #19
I would imagine Putin is in the nuclear shelters in the Ural Mountains like most of the big shots. LiberalArkie Apr 2022 #23
I feel sick to my stomach. I hope whoever did that has been decimated. chowder66 Apr 2022 #2
So do I. smirkymonkey Apr 2022 #6
It's very much a Russian military tradition. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #9
I actually just clicked on a link about this, much to my chagrin. smirkymonkey Apr 2022 #14
I wish every narcissist,sociopath I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #33
Well said! Sociopaths are the enemy to all. Unfortunately their numbers are increasing at an Ziggysmom Apr 2022 #37
I agree I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #38
The Red Army raped women and girls to death, en masse Kittycatkat Apr 2022 #44
As one of my friends (an American Boomer like me ) said: "Let me tell you what my... Hekate Apr 2022 #20
The sooner someone beheads Putin the better! Emile Apr 2022 #4
Sure that some GQP'rs wish they had gotten in on that action. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 live love laugh Apr 2022 #5
A lot of them gaskinite Apr 2022 #35
We've read that one RW pedophile went over there live love laugh Apr 2022 #36
We have one rapist and one molester on OUR Supreme Court, Trump is a rapist and a child rapist. Kittycatkat Apr 2022 #7
JFC... dixiechiken1 Apr 2022 #8
In the near future, when I see pictures of dead Russian soldiers ... lpbk2713 Apr 2022 #10
This makes me feel physically ill. smirkymonkey Apr 2022 #11
Russian soldiers use rape as revenge. fightforfreedom Apr 2022 #15
Well, I don't plan to fight WWII with you, Dan Apr 2022 #34
Are you suggesting Moebym Apr 2022 #39
Well, as I said that I am not refighting WW2, Dan Apr 2022 #47
They raped women in every country and every concentration camp that they "liberated". Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #48
History buff here, I know that war. Dan Apr 2022 #49
You can't answer whether the rape of German women was justified? Pachamama Apr 2022 #50
Well, I guess it would depend on your answer Dan Apr 2022 #51
There's no sense in which it is ever justified. At a stretch "understandable", but never, ever... Silent3 Apr 2022 #52
Morality, nice. Dan Apr 2022 #53
Morality is everyone's job Silent3 Apr 2022 #55
"Disturbingly eager"? Dan Apr 2022 #56
That's why you should always fight to the death in war Calculating Apr 2022 #46
Rape is just one of the byproducts of war. It is another reason... TreasonousBastard Apr 2022 #16
Yes, it's what invaders do in wars. It's horrific mucifer Apr 2022 #17
Trump raped a woman in peace time in a dressing room of a fancy department store. Kittycatkat Apr 2022 #45
Is this being reported on TV? Nt XanaDUer2 Apr 2022 #18
Have not seen it yet Hekate Apr 2022 #21
I'd love to have this broadcast on CNN or msnbc XanaDUer2 Apr 2022 #22
There's a lot going on. Sure, they're gone from Kyev, but they seeded neighborhoods with mines... Hekate Apr 2022 #24
Not just "neighborhoods." Igel Apr 2022 #30
They may be working to verify it. Mariana Apr 2022 #43
I heard it on TV and that's where I learned of it on CNN or MSNBC. BigmanPigman Apr 2022 #26
Many women killed themselves before, knowing what thier fate would be. smirkymonkey Apr 2022 #42
Why are we conveniently avoiding this MSM? You cease to be journalists if truth is covered up. Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #25
Are we at long last going to stop seeing posts about these poor Russian soldiers being RockRaven Apr 2022 #27
Ask the people of Chcehnya how Russian soldiers treat citizens. They are brutal. Lonestarblue Apr 2022 #28
NATO and the EU along with non-aligned countries have been intervening Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #40
This is monstrous. Joinfortmill Apr 2022 #29
This is Russian culture. roamer65 Apr 2022 #31
I don't think it's their culture. EndlessWire Apr 2022 #54
Scum BeyondGeography Apr 2022 #41
Not surprised. The same goes for human trafficking done during the war rockfordfile Apr 2022 #58
Our fear of self destruction cannot be so strong that we sacrifice little girls ColinC Apr 2022 #59
Russians raped a million women in Berlin when it fell. it's part of their heritage, spoils of war Shanti Shanti Shanti Apr 2022 #60

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
12. The US doesn't have the capacity to get rid of Putin
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:02 PM
Apr 2022

That is why the statement doesn't hold water.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
19. Getting to Putin
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:39 PM
Apr 2022

Would be extremely difficult. I suppose they could just bomb the Kremlin, but as you say, the ramifications wouldn't be good.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
6. So do I.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:49 PM
Apr 2022

I can't imagine what kind of human being would even think of doing such an evil, horrible thing. When I hear about things like this, I sometimes feel like I just want to leave this planet. What the FUCK is wrong with people?

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
9. It's very much a Russian military tradition.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:58 PM
Apr 2022

I've been recently reading all sorts of accounts about people's grandparents etc during their country's "liberation" by the Soviet army.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
14. I actually just clicked on a link about this, much to my chagrin.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:06 PM
Apr 2022

I read not only about the Russians raping the women of Berlin, and sometimes killing them, but - and this I did not know until a few minutes ago - they actually raped the female Jewish concentration camp victims after they had released them.

Said one Russian soldier "I gave you your freedom, so I own you." Fucking bastards. How on earth could you do that to people who have already been traumatized beyond belief. I hope they are all burning in hell for eternity.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
33. I wish every narcissist,sociopath
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 07:48 PM
Apr 2022

And authoritarian dark triad trash on this planet was dead. Every single one,dead.

Ziggysmom

(3,407 posts)
37. Well said! Sociopaths are the enemy to all. Unfortunately their numbers are increasing at an
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 08:11 PM
Apr 2022

alarming rate. Not only are humans sociopaths, but corporations are as well. I left the nursing profession over 25 years ago due to sociopaths. You would think the world had learned something from WWII and the Holocaust. Something about them initially appeals to the masses and they become political and business leaders. Not everyone recognizes their true evil underpinnings, but those of us that do are horrified beyond belief.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
38. I agree
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 08:17 PM
Apr 2022

Wish more people understood they are the enemy of all life and sanity.

And having them gone would allow people to heal,and begin to go out and socialize freely again.

Why are these dark triad fuckers tolerated?

They destroy everything.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
20. As one of my friends (an American Boomer like me ) said: "Let me tell you what my...
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:42 PM
Apr 2022

… Polish Jewish grandma had to say about Russian soldiers.”

Raping the enemy's women and girls is as old as humankind — and even chimpanzees do it. But it is still a war-crime. There are laws now. It is a goddamned war-crime.

Kittycatkat

(1,356 posts)
7. We have one rapist and one molester on OUR Supreme Court, Trump is a rapist and a child rapist.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:49 PM
Apr 2022

As a country, we need to take the focus off a woman's ovaries and start focusing on putting rapists in jail, instead of in positions of authority. This is fu#@ing ridiculous!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. This makes me feel physically ill.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:02 PM
Apr 2022

I hope every single one of these bastards are exterminated like the vermin that they are.

Dan

(3,554 posts)
34. Well, I don't plan to fight WWII with you,
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 07:49 PM
Apr 2022

But what the Germans did - preceding, during, and afterwards of WWII - should make you put the Russian soldiers use of rape in perspective.

Moebym

(989 posts)
39. Are you suggesting
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 08:21 PM
Apr 2022

That the rape of German women was justified given the circumstances?

I sure as hell hope not.

Dan

(3,554 posts)
47. Well, as I said that I am not refighting WW2,
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 09:46 PM
Apr 2022

But WWII was a dirty, nasty, genocidal, ugly conflict with no safe zones.

Was the rape of German women justified, I can’t answer that. I was not part of an army whose country had been invaded, million (with a “M”) of their people killed.

But what I will say - is that the German people were supporters of that war, that included the women. Sometimes, there are unintended consequences as a result of decisions made. I tend to think that getting killed was a much uglier outcome than rape, but I’m a man. I can’t speak as a woman.

Whereas, I am also sure that when the German army was not killing, I am sure that they also got their pound of flesh (to put ugly terms on it).

That WWII was a war of annihilation - on both sides.

And before we get all holy, American soldiers raped too, as did the Allies. For that matter, I am not sure what army didn’t.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
48. They raped women in every country and every concentration camp that they "liberated".
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 09:52 PM
Apr 2022

It wasn't just revenge against Germany.

All armies did it, but the Russians were renouned for it. And not just in Germany.

Also many women and girls were killed after being raped, so no, not really "preferable".

Dan

(3,554 posts)
51. Well, I guess it would depend on your answer
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 02:26 PM
Apr 2022

Reference WWII :

Was Rape used as a tool for subjugation and/or strategy in the act of war, by either side?

In particular the German side? Was said subjugation and/or strategy necessary to accomplish the military goals?

Silent3

(15,210 posts)
52. There's no sense in which it is ever justified. At a stretch "understandable", but never, ever...
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 02:39 PM
Apr 2022

...justified.

It is in fact never justified to hurt anyone for the harm other people have done to you. Those German women raped by Russian soldiers were not the Germans who invaded Russian or who killed Russians. And I'm sure the raped women and girls didn't get quizzed on whether they were personally supporters of what invading Germans did to Russians either.

Much of the evil of war comes down to treating people as if they are all interchangeable targets, any one of them just as guilty as any other for whatever grudge you hold against some group as a whole.

Dan

(3,554 posts)
53. Morality, nice.
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 02:52 PM
Apr 2022

I think that once you commit your army to war - you should defines your goals; base your strategy on achieving those goals; and provide the resources necessary to achieving that strategy in pursuit of those goals.

I will leave morality to the philosophers.

Silent3

(15,210 posts)
55. Morality is everyone's job
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 06:18 PM
Apr 2022

The only justifiable reason to wage war in the first place is to prevent a greater harm or injustice. Of course "greater harm" is very subjective, so I'm not saying "justifiable" is always straightforward and clear, but I'd hope most of humanity can get on board with the idea that "we don't like you and want to kill you and take your stuff" isn't good enough a reason.

Then, even given the need to fight a war, I don't see why you're so disturbingly eager to treat war as a morality-free zone, like it's an excuse to do anything you want to anyone you classify as "the enemy".

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
46. That's why you should always fight to the death in war
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 09:42 PM
Apr 2022

Never get captured, even the women and children should go down fighting. I believe Japan had that mentality and that's why we had to nuke them to get them to give up

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
16. Rape is just one of the byproducts of war. It is another reason...
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:14 PM
Apr 2022

that war should not exist.

But it does, and will for the foreseeable future.

Kittycatkat

(1,356 posts)
45. Trump raped a woman in peace time in a dressing room of a fancy department store.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 09:36 PM
Apr 2022

Rapists will use any excuse to rape, because they are rapists.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
24. There's a lot going on. Sure, they're gone from Kyev, but they seeded neighborhoods with mines...
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:51 PM
Apr 2022

I’ve read it here from a couple of sources. There’s photos here of villagers tied and shot, buried in mass graves. It’s bad.

That’s in addition to bombing maternity hospitals and civilian escape routes, which we already knew about.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
30. Not just "neighborhoods."
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 07:37 PM
Apr 2022

But also bodies.

There's also the "double tap" when they bomb a place and when the rescuers show up there's another bomb dropped.

I've seen both mentioned in the last 20 years--but usually they were suicide bombers and such.

I would say that this should change the minds of some Russian families--but which mother will want to say, "I'm proud of being Russian. My son fought in Bucha. Look at how manly he was!" while seeing these images and admitting they're true?

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
43. They may be working to verify it.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 09:22 PM
Apr 2022

I'd prefer if they didn't use Twitter as a source without some corroboration.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
26. I heard it on TV and that's where I learned of it on CNN or MSNBC.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:58 PM
Apr 2022

They said children were raped right in front of their mothers. They were also used as human shields.

When Germany was about to lose WW2 the Germans prayed that Americans would get ot them before the Soviets since they would brutally rape women and impregnate them. Many killed themselves afterwards.

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
27. Are we at long last going to stop seeing posts about these poor Russian soldiers being
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 07:00 PM
Apr 2022

duped and used as pawns by Putin? I'm beyond ready never to see another one of those.

Lonestarblue

(9,984 posts)
28. Ask the people of Chcehnya how Russian soldiers treat citizens. They are brutal.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 07:10 PM
Apr 2022

And Putin requested Chechen soldiers to assist his attack because they too are known to be brutal rapists. NATO and the UN have enough evidence of war crimes to intervene on behalf of Ukraine. It’s long past time they did so, in spite of Putin’s threats ro use nuclear weapons. Putin cannot be allowed to win this time.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
40. NATO and the EU along with non-aligned countries have been intervening
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 08:29 PM
Apr 2022

On behalf of Ukraine. They are doing so in a variety of ways that the Ukraine alone could not do so on their own. To urge direct military participation invites a much wider conflict with many more destruction.

EndlessWire

(6,526 posts)
54. I don't think it's their culture.
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 03:09 PM
Apr 2022

People are people everywhere. I think it's a war crime for which Putin and his cadre should be tried and imprisoned. I think they should be indicted in the Hague, NOW, not later. But, I don't think Russians have a culture of rapacious skulduggery.

rockfordfile

(8,702 posts)
58. Not surprised. The same goes for human trafficking done during the war
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 07:21 PM
Apr 2022

Because human right's violations were bad before the war.

ColinC

(8,291 posts)
59. Our fear of self destruction cannot be so strong that we sacrifice little girls
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 07:30 PM
Apr 2022

And allow Russia to be impervious to the most egregious war crimes.

 

Shanti Shanti Shanti

(12,047 posts)
60. Russians raped a million women in Berlin when it fell. it's part of their heritage, spoils of war
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 07:49 PM
Apr 2022

"The Russian soldiers raped every German woman from 8 to 80"

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