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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:57 AM Oct 2012

WOW. The new Romney ad that lies about Jeep and China is getting CREAMED by the press.

ESPECIALLY in car country. Just a sample.

Detroit Free Press: “Not only was the story wrong, Romney took criticism for not knowing better and repeating it without questioning it.”

Toledo Blade: “‘The latest Romney ad, I will grant you, is a clever play on words to avoid saying things that are utterly false,’ Mr. Rattner said, referring to a new Romney ad out today. But he said the implication of the ad is ‘just not true. Chrysler is adding people. It's made major investments in the Toledo Wrangler plant.’”

Huffington Post: “Where the ad goes from misleading to something more nefarious is in the text it shows. At one point, it displays a line from a Bloomberg story stating that Chrysler "plans to return Jeep output to China," the implication being that the company is moving operations there as opposed to expanding operations that are already there.”

Wall Street Journal: “So far, the Romney campaign hasn’t issued a public statement on the flap.”

Sam Stein ‏@samsteinhp i asked this morning and am still waiting this evening: anyone have a sound defense of this Romney Jeep ad?

Ron Fournier ‏@ron_fournier Nope "@samsteinhp: i asked this morning and am still waiting this evening: anyone have a sound defense of this Romney Jeep ad?"

Ben White ‏@morningmoneyben Wait, not only did Romney camp not back off the erroneous Jeep to China canard, they made an ad out of it? My god

Ben White ‏@morningmoneyben @davidshepardson it's astonishingly misleading

Joe Vardon ‏@joevardon Wait, Jeep isn't considering moving manufacturing to China? But Romney said in Ohio ... http://bit.ly/ScsbsY

McKay Coppins ‏@mckaycoppins There's really no good explanation or excuse for it. Mitt Romney's Jeep ad is misleading. Full stop.

Tim Dickinson ‏@7im"Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China" http://on.freep.com/VRbWVD

Michael Cohen ‏@speechboy71 The mendaciousness of Romney's new auto ad is breathtaking even for him: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121028/POLITICS01/210280314

Travis Waldron ‏@Travis_Waldron Mitt can't tell the truth about GM/Chrysler, because the truth is simple: At every turn, he was wrong.

Sam Stein ‏@samsteinhp The Romney campaign did defend the Jeep ad to me, by citing the Bloomberg piece that has been called wrong by Jeep http://huff.to/PAZCWY

Blake Hounshell ‏@blakehounshell OK, @CitizenCohn has persuaded me: this is pretty despicable http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/109256/romney-ohio-chrysler-jeep-china-toledo-obama-gm-rescue#

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew Interestingly, this Romney ad cites the Detroit News, which also debunked the Jeep production moving to China claim.

Josh Greenman ‏@joshgreenman Who's acting desperate now? http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/109256/romney-ohio-chrysler-jeep-china-toledo-obama-gm-rescue

Kurt Eichenwald ‏@kurteichenwald Do GOPers believe Romney when he repeatedly says Chrysler' moving jeep job to china, when company says it's a lie? He'll say anything to win

A sampling of headlines the ad has received:

Detroit Free Press: Romney's latest ad claims he will do more for the auto industry than Obama

Columbus Dispatch: Jeep/Romney question lingers

Detroit News: UAW denounces Romney comments on Jeep production

Detroit News: New Romney ad: 'Italians' plan to build Jeeps in China

Detroit Free Press: Romney returns topic to auto industry bailout, his weak spot, in crucial swing state Ohio

Detroit Free Press: Romney camp silent on his Jeep-to-China gaffe

Detroit News: Romney picks up incorrect story about Jeep production moving to China

Detroit Free Press: Romney repeats false claim of Jeep outsourcing to China; Chrysler refutes story

Detroit Free Press: Tom Walsh: Romney keeps returning to auto industry, a vulnerable spot

MLive: Romney wrongly claims Chrysler may move all Jeep production to China (video)

NBC 24: Jeep not leaving Toledo for China, Chrysler assures

Toledo Blade: Romney worries about Jeep going to China

Toledo Blade: Romney tweaks Jeep production to China claim

Toledo Blade: Auto czar protests Romney plan for auto industry

WFIN: Unions Protest Romney/Ryan Appearance In Findlay

CBS: Romney cites incorrect auto manufacturing claim in Ohio

The Hill: Chrysler: Romney is wrong, Jeep not leaving US for China

NBC: Politics of auto bailout haunt Romney in Northwest Ohio

Wall Street Journal: Romney Ad Escalates Detroit Rescue Controversy

Huffington Post: Mitt Romney Releases Auto Ad That Misleads On Facts

Think Progress: Romney Auto Bailout Ad Tells Four Myths In 30 Seconds

The New Republic: A Desperate, Deceptive Gambit for Romney in Ohio

The ad, if you have the stomach for it:

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WOW. The new Romney ad that lies about Jeep and China is getting CREAMED by the press. (Original Post) WilliamPitt Oct 2012 OP
k&r.. and tweeted and faced and emailed. The people have annabanana Oct 2012 #1
MITT: 'Italians' plan to build Jeeps in China, where they make my campaign buttons. Coyotl Oct 2012 #31
An Trump Ties Too! AAO Oct 2012 #34
Letterman sure nailed his lips shut on that one Coyotl Oct 2012 #38
Great moment in television PMcDee Oct 2012 #66
Some of the Right-wing nutjobs are blaming President Obama justiceischeap Oct 2012 #2
I think this one is my favorite: Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #3
Is that an old clip of Ann Romney driving a convertible in the last frame? madaboutharry Oct 2012 #4
I was going to ask the exact same question... we must be right! LOL reformist2 Oct 2012 #49
I would rather... heppcatt Oct 2012 #5
Most of these are local news sources. WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #6
Yeah I noticed... heppcatt Oct 2012 #12
Truth Be Damned...This Is Kitchen Sink Time... KharmaTrain Oct 2012 #7
He will continue to lie and lie BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #8
Heres the thing... Phillyindy Oct 2012 #9
Welcome to DU WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #10
Thanks! Been a long time reader... Phillyindy Oct 2012 #11
Who the Hell is "undecided" ????? Raggaemon Oct 2012 #50
well it's ABOUT TIME you got here, Phillyindy! Skittles Oct 2012 #68
Wonder if mittload knew the "media" would call them out Cha Oct 2012 #69
There you go again, devastating the meme of the CONCERN Trolls Coyotl Oct 2012 #13
"Detroit News: Romney picks up incorrect story about Jeep production moving to China " ProSense Oct 2012 #14
They won't go hungry. Zalatix Oct 2012 #16
Hahah...my new favorite phrase Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #41
Eeewwww! n/t kag Oct 2012 #43
Chrysler should close anything that they have in China. Zalatix Oct 2012 #15
Nonsense ProSense Oct 2012 #18
they make jeeps in china for the chinese market madrchsod Oct 2012 #23
Call your local dealership Loudestlib Oct 2012 #17
I got a better idea. Just don't buy from them... jenw2 Oct 2012 #19
Wait, what? WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #21
JAB = Just Another #Bullshitter Coyotl Oct 2012 #79
Waiting for someone in the MSM to say it : he's a L-I-A-R. AzDar Oct 2012 #20
The Pres already called him a liar demwing Oct 2012 #24
When hell freezes over,which is what to expect from a RMoney presidency. mountain grammy Oct 2012 #25
Integrity is optional for Romney/Republicans. Winning (Power) is more important. Maineman Oct 2012 #22
I was taught a long time ago SmittynMo Oct 2012 #26
If his lies are so blatant now...... Sheepshank Oct 2012 #27
Are there any advertising rebuttals to this? jumptheshadow Oct 2012 #28
Good to see momentum--->we need as much as possible!!! hue Oct 2012 #29
Unbelievable that with that being totally false they would continue with an actual ad about it! George II Oct 2012 #30
Lies need to be exposed by the press UCmeNdc Oct 2012 #32
OK, news media, take your cue from that ad and CRUSH Team Romney! reformist2 Oct 2012 #33
Willard is a bald face liar. gademocrat7 Oct 2012 #35
Very nice work, WilliamPitt. dchill Oct 2012 #36
My husband's take: tavernier Oct 2012 #37
It is about time they report the truth still_one Oct 2012 #39
Living in car country, voting for Romney ??? Raggaemon Oct 2012 #40
MSNBC has been covering it this morning, republican interviewees have refused to refute the ad! George II Oct 2012 #42
Obama camp Dman292 Oct 2012 #44
Bishop Holy and Pious SoapBox Oct 2012 #45
Would be so great if this lie delivered Ohio to the President. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2012 #46
And gave him amazing coattails ItsTheMediaStupid Oct 2012 #62
My favorite part: "And he sold Chrysler to ITALIANS who are going to build JEEPS in CHINA!" LOL! reformist2 Oct 2012 #47
I'm sure Italian-Americans will be pleased to hear that formercia Oct 2012 #55
Let Honest Abe at him! ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #48
Even Ron Fournier? The world has ended! :P n/t Bossy Monkey Oct 2012 #51
and did you see CNN? All over it. here are some examples: grantcart Oct 2012 #52
Heh. WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #54
This little episode is a perfect summary of Romney jsr Oct 2012 #53
He will do and say anything to win Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #56
Pants on Fire LisaMCdonald Oct 2012 #57
Even the conservative leaning Detroit News is slamming this. louis-t Oct 2012 #58
There may be a lot of local press in the post, but Huffington Post, and Wall Street Journal co-sign. bigregg4838 Oct 2012 #59
Mitt is a mess. sarcasmo Oct 2012 #60
Is Detroit News going to rescind their endorsement? ecstatic Oct 2012 #61
Wouldn't that be awesome? Curmudgeoness Oct 2012 #65
oh boy, wouldn't THAT be delightful! renate Oct 2012 #70
Detroit Free Press: Romney camp silent on his Jeep-to-China gaffe Buns_of_Fire Oct 2012 #63
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2012 #64
In sports, it's "Go big or go home". In the GOP, it's "Lie big or lie down". Mister Ed Oct 2012 #67
That's the TRUTH..they know how propaganda works SoCalDem Oct 2012 #73
rmoney is out of control Dalai_1 Oct 2012 #71
Quite a round-up Kurovski Oct 2012 #72
Even Yahoo "News" talked about it. lexw Oct 2012 #74
Still not nearly enough coverage about this atrocity. dsharp88 Oct 2012 #75
fantastic, maybe now the msm will stop pumping "It's tied!" flamingdem Oct 2012 #76
Seems Romney can't tell the simple Truth q_e_d Oct 2012 #77
There is the obvious truth. nolabels Oct 2012 #78
It's amazing that he would bring the topic up, after all the jobs he exported to China... Media Lies Oct 2012 #80
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
38. Letterman sure nailed his lips shut on that one
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:28 AM
Oct 2012


Trump has been using Mitt's make-up "artist"

PMcDee

(43 posts)
66. Great moment in television
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:44 PM
Oct 2012

This is right up there with Johnny Carson's exposure of Uri Geller as a fraud years ago on the Tonight Show. You can see the moment when Trump realizes where Letterman is going and clearly starts to squirm. Seconds later Dave plunges in the knife. The look on Trump's face is priceless. I've watched it over and over.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
2. Some of the Right-wing nutjobs are blaming President Obama
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:00 AM
Oct 2012

because Jeep wants to make cars in China...wait for it, with stimulus money.

They also say the lies Rmoney are spewing about Chrysler are true because "they ARE going to build cars in China, right?"

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
3. I think this one is my favorite:
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:05 AM
Oct 2012

Detroit Free Press: Romney returns topic to auto industry bailout, his weak spot, in crucial swing state Ohio

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
49. I was going to ask the exact same question... we must be right! LOL
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:50 AM
Oct 2012

What a weird ad...the whole thing looks like it was made 30 years ago.

heppcatt

(212 posts)
5. I would rather...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:06 AM
Oct 2012

The fact checking be done by the local press in those swing states, than by the national media. That way the lie will have a greater chance of being exposed to the folks who live in those states.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
7. Truth Be Damned...This Is Kitchen Sink Time...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:07 AM
Oct 2012

Willard's still playing the 50.1 game...find just enough white people to get to the polls while trying to suppress the blacks and other minorities. No better way to get your people "energized" than a good does of fear and poutrage. The great unhinged are at five-alarm shitstorm over anything and everything they can conjur up. Every problem in the world is President Obama's fault and if that means to lie...so be it. This is bloodsport and the Bishop needs to play whatever card he can in his vain attempt to bullshit his way to power.

BumRushDaShow

(129,017 posts)
8. He will continue to lie and lie
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:07 AM
Oct 2012

because the media permits him to lie and then basically doubles down on the nonsense that his lying = "momentum" that will lead to a win.

 

Phillyindy

(406 posts)
9. Heres the thing...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:07 AM
Oct 2012

Republicans have figured out that at this point they can say anything, it doesn't matter, their base will believe literally anything and what few independent voters that are left are complete morons. That being said, nice to see the media is at least doing its job.

Raggaemon

(68 posts)
50. Who the Hell is "undecided" ?????
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:01 AM
Oct 2012

I keep hearing/reading the beltway press yapping about those "still undecided voters", and I wonder just what those fringe dwellers need to know that they've not gotten already ? Lemme see ... which candidate likes my favorite jello flavor ?

My notion of the undecided voter is someone who hasn't tuned in very often, someone with very little knowledge of the candidates positions on important issues, they're records, etc., I think of undecided voters as people most sensitive to sound-bites and what they over hear around the workplace water cooler. Hey, Mitt Romney was a businessman, he knows how to create jobs, Obama hasn't done enough, blah, blah, blah ....

I don't buy the narrative of everything hendging on fringe dweller voters, and I'm not convinced there's a "horse race", close in some places yeah, but who is it that benefits most by selling a political horse race? TV stations selling ads to pay their bills, that's who.

Don't get me wrong, I do think the electorate can be fickle and there will be those who once they get to that voting booth will have certain urges overtake their reasoning ( race ? ) .... but I think for the most part the dye is cast.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
69. Wonder if mittload knew the "media" would call them out
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:44 PM
Oct 2012

on this Jeep Ad? It sure is Suprising me!

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
13. There you go again, devastating the meme of the CONCERN Trolls
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:21 AM
Oct 2012

who said the Media wasn't touching this

BTW, I'm calling Montana for Obama because they found out Romney rides in an "English" saddle and doesn't hunt



ProSense

(116,464 posts)
14. "Detroit News: Romney picks up incorrect story about Jeep production moving to China "
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:27 AM
Oct 2012

Wonder how the editorial board feels about its endorsement of Romney?

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
15. Chrysler should close anything that they have in China.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:31 AM
Oct 2012

Or Romney will go from being a pathetic liar to an accidental prophet.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
18. Nonsense
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:32 AM
Oct 2012

"Or Romney will go from being a pathetic liar to an accidental prophet."

Romney is a liar.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
23. they make jeeps in china for the chinese market
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:48 AM
Oct 2012

they are not going to move us jeep production to china. chrysler is owned by fiat and the us operations have saved fiat from bankruptcy.

no matter what...romney will always be a pathetic liar.

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
17. Call your local dealership
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:32 AM
Oct 2012

Call them up and tell them you saw the Romney ad and it upset you. Ask them if it's true.

 

jenw2

(374 posts)
19. I got a better idea. Just don't buy from them...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:35 AM
Oct 2012

because they're not fighting to correct this story. They're helping Romney get away with it.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
24. The Pres already called him a liar
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:49 AM
Oct 2012

or rather, a bullshitter

but yes, let's call a liar a liar.

Mitt Romney is a bald faced liar.

Maineman

(854 posts)
22. Integrity is optional for Romney/Republicans. Winning (Power) is more important.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:48 AM
Oct 2012

If integrity is optional, then he has none.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
26. I was taught a long time ago
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:58 AM
Oct 2012

that liars cannot be trusted. Why is this so difficult for so many GOP voters to understand? Maybe they were raised in a family of liars where this was the norm? Wow. Stupid is as stupid does.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
27. If his lies are so blatant now......
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:03 AM
Oct 2012

...what would he be willing to do to cover up the truth, if ever gets into office and has the power to do so?

jumptheshadow

(3,269 posts)
28. Are there any advertising rebuttals to this?
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:04 AM
Oct 2012

Thanks for interesting round-up of quotes. It would be great to see a powerful Democratic ad come out of this.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
32. Lies need to be exposed by the press
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:11 AM
Oct 2012

Mitt Romney has gotten away too long with the ability to lie and no one calls him out on them.

Raggaemon

(68 posts)
40. Living in car country, voting for Romney ???
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:33 AM
Oct 2012

As I see it, if someone who lives in a state that was devastated when the U.S. auto industry was on the edge of going into extinction until THIS president wasted no time taking steps that helped saved your state's economy, let alone the U.S. economy, but you're gonna vote for Romney anyway .... you have a habitual, knee-jerk voting brand problem. If you ALWAYS vote republican no matter what, and ... I'll say that same thing for anyone who votes blindly, you're someone willing to bite the hand that feeds you. OR ... your vote isn't for Romney as much as it's not a vote for president Obama, same thing.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
56. He will do and say anything to win
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:57 AM
Oct 2012

He once said he only needs 51% to win ....and he will do and say anything to win. Lie...cheat...steal. He is counting on a very stupid electorate.

LisaMCdonald

(21 posts)
57. Pants on Fire
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:58 AM
Oct 2012

Did this is ad have the tag @ the end "I am Mitt Romney I approved this message and I am big FAT LIAR and my Pants are literally on FIRE..."

 

bigregg4838

(92 posts)
59. There may be a lot of local press in the post, but Huffington Post, and Wall Street Journal co-sign.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:09 PM
Oct 2012

WOWZERZ! Romney just keeps on getting caught on his Pinocchio sh!t lol!!!

ecstatic

(32,704 posts)
61. Is Detroit News going to rescind their endorsement?
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:24 PM
Oct 2012

It was vulgar of them to endorse him in the first place. Now it should be obvious to everyone that he's not fit to lead this country.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
65. Wouldn't that be awesome?
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:43 PM
Oct 2012

I don't think that I have ever heard of a paper rescinding an endorsement, but it could happen.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
63. Detroit Free Press: Romney camp silent on his Jeep-to-China gaffe
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 02:01 PM
Oct 2012

"Gaffe," my ass. That sleazeball knew EXACTLY what he was saying. And his sleazeball campaign staff knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they made an ad of it.

Mister Ed

(5,934 posts)
67. In sports, it's "Go big or go home". In the GOP, it's "Lie big or lie down".
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:01 PM
Oct 2012

And these guys will not lie down.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
73. That's the TRUTH..they know how propaganda works
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:41 PM
Oct 2012

Tell the big lie over and over and over.

MOST people never hear the retraction (if there is one), and by the time they have heard re-inforcing comments from media they "trust" and from their cohorts, they convince themselves that the lie is a fact..

republicans are BOLD and do not care about facts or nuance or any "gray area"..

It works for them often enough (see house of reps..and all the dem-turned-rep governorship), to keep doing it.

The prime example is the deification of Reagan (a mediocre president at best)

Dalai_1

(1,301 posts)
71. rmoney is out of control
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:58 PM
Oct 2012

he has no moral compass; his consistency with lying is beyond
any understanding ...he simply is mentally not okay..if his handler(s)
are suggesting this behavior and rhetoric it is one thing..but the idea that
he thinks it is okay is beyond comprehension...

We are in dangerous waters if our President does not win this election...

Thank you for posting these..this is what I have seen all day on my Twitter
account....hopefully this will sink him for good!

dsharp88

(487 posts)
75. Still not nearly enough coverage about this atrocity.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:38 PM
Oct 2012

It's a blatant lie. An absolute falsehood. A work of fiction pulled straight out of the Romney campaign's ass.

And when it's pointed out by the press I'm sure the next sentence is about how BOTH campaigns have degraded... etc. even though it's only one side making up this garbage.

An abomination against decency and humanity.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
76. fantastic, maybe now the msm will stop pumping "It's tied!"
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:41 AM
Oct 2012

Nobody wants to be stuck with Willard for 4 years

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
78. There is the obvious truth.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:38 AM
Oct 2012

There is true megalomaniac who wants to be the President no matter how he gets in placed in that position

 

Media Lies

(56 posts)
80. It's amazing that he would bring the topic up, after all the jobs he exported to China...
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:39 AM
Oct 2012

Did he ever get around to paying taxes on all the money he made by investing heavily in companies involved in exporting U.S. jobs to Communist China?

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