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Democratopia

(552 posts)
1. And Obama has done that with the costs and loss of GDP caused by the Bush recession
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:15 PM
Oct 2012

The Democrats are very bad at marketing their achievements and quashing Republican lies, which become fact to most people.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
3. The President is biting on their hook
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:21 PM
Oct 2012

Why do we respond in defense and fail to pin the blame on Republicans where it belongs.

Even MSNBC plays BS lines unchallenged ie: there is gridlock in Washington therefore Obama needs to go.

Time after time. I try to avoid propaganda but can't seem to!

ugh

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
2. Aren't budgets largely handled by congress (specifically the House)?
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:18 PM
Oct 2012

The House under Raygun was run by Dems for all 8 years. The house under Clinton was Repuke for 6 of his 8. I'm not saying repukes still aren't largely responsible for the debt, but blaming the debt strictly on the presidents seems to be a little misleading.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
4. Reagan's coat tail majority
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:26 PM
Oct 2012

The Democratic losses in the Senate in 1980 were:

U.S. Sen. George S. McGovern (D-S.D.) (3 terms) lost to U.S. Rep. James Abdnor (R-S.D.)
U.S. Sen. Warren G. Magnuson (D-Wash.) (6 terms) lost to Republican T. Slade Gorton III.
U.S. Sen. Gaylord A. Nelson (D-Wis.) (3 terms) lost to Republican Robert W. Kasten Jr..
U.S. Sen. John A. Durkin (D-N.H.) (1 term) lost to Republican Warren B. Rudman. Durkin resigned his seat in December and Rudman was appointed to fill out the remaining few days of Durkin's term.
U.S. Sen. John C. Culver (D-Iowa) (1 term) lost to Republican Charles E. Grassley.
U.S. Sen. Birch E. Bayh II (D-Ind.) (3 terms) lost to J. Danforth Quayle.
U.S. Sen. Frank F. Church (D-Idaho) (4 terms) lost to Republican Steven D. Symms.
U.S. Sen. Herman E. Talmadge (D-Ga.) (4 terms) lost to Republican Mack F. Mattingly.
U.S. Sen. Richard B. Stone (D-Fla.) (1 term) lost in the Democratic primary to William D. Gunter Jr.. Gunter lost the general election to Republican Paula Hawkins.
U.S. Sen. Maurice R. "Mike" Gravel (D-Alaska) (2 terms), the senator who in 1971 had entered the full text of the Pentagon Papers into the official record of the Senate Subcommittee of Public Buildings and Grounds, was unexpectedly defeated in the Democratic primary by Clark Gruening. Gruening was the grandson of Ernest Gruening, the incumbent Democrat whom Gravel had unseated in the 1968 Democratic primary. The younger Gruening lost the general election to Republican Frank H. Murkowski.
U.S. Sen. Donald W. Stewart (D-Ala.) (1 term) lost in the Democratic primary to James E. Folsom Jr.. Folsom lost the general election to Republican Jeremiah A. Denton Jr..
U.S. Sen. Robert B. Morgan (D-N.C.) (1 term) lost to Republican John P. East.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
5. Only the Senate, though. The house was still solidly Dem for all 8 years, IIRC,
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:31 PM
Oct 2012

and all spending bills had to go through there.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
6. It has to get through Senate, then The President can veto it. Here's a veto record
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:51 PM
Oct 2012

John Kennedy 12 9 21 0 0% 0%
Lyndon Johnson 16 14 30 0 0% 0%
Richard Nixon 26 17 43 7 16% 27%
Gerald Ford 48 18 66 12 18% 25%
Jimmy Carter 13 18 31 2 6% 15%
Ronald Reagan 39 39 78 9 12% 23%
Geo. HW Bush[3][4] 29 15 44 1 2% 2%
Bill Clinton 36 1 37 2 5% 6%
George W. Bush 11 1 12 4 33% 36%
Barack Obama 2 0 2 0 0% 0%

Republicans won 35 House seats on Reagan's coat tails -and began to tame the survivors.
They originate in the House, have to get through the Senate, then need to be signed into law by the President. No?
Another graph;

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
7. Yes, they ORIGINATE in the house,
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 01:07 PM
Oct 2012

and being able to veto a budget isn't nearly the same thing as writing one yourself.

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