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Bandit

(21,475 posts)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:56 PM Oct 2012

After this election I think we would be wise to push for "Vote By Mail" in EVERY State.

Oregon has had it in effect for well over a Decade and everyone seems to Love it. Both Conservatives and Liberals think it is the cat's meow...No standing in lines or trying to find a parking spot, or finding time after or before work and NEVER having to run into that person you have been avoiding for so long...If Republicans are going to continue on their drive to suppress voting then we need to make some adjustments, and "Vote By Mail" seems to be just the ticket....I think it should be one of our top priorities.. Even if Obama wins this one, it is a sure thing Republicans will continue with their dirty tricks. We need to be one step ahead of them...One more thing, with "Vote By Mail" you are guaranteed a paper ballot...

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After this election I think we would be wise to push for "Vote By Mail" in EVERY State. (Original Post) Bandit Oct 2012 OP
A National Federal Election Law earthside Oct 2012 #1
And what are you going to do when your ballot gets lost in the mail? LisaL Oct 2012 #2
Very good point. randome Oct 2012 #9
And in emergency such as hurricanes mail will get delayed. LisaL Oct 2012 #11
there are tons of drop-off sites if you don't want to take that risk renate Oct 2012 #27
you get a new one, I've been voting by mail for 9 years --it is awesome CreekDog Oct 2012 #29
I disagree. We can see that part of voting is the social aspect, the ritual of doing it together flamingdem Oct 2012 #3
There's also the problem of long lines which can be made worse with long ballots. Incitatus Oct 2012 #22
I rarely wait more than 10 minutes, can't imagine dealing with those long lines flamingdem Oct 2012 #24
There were 4 people checking IDs and handing out ballots and maybe 20 voting booths. Incitatus Oct 2012 #26
a Federal system is long overdue easychoice Oct 2012 #4
There was a poster from WA complaining they still haven't got their ballot. LisaL Oct 2012 #7
But airmail gets lost/destroyed too ffr Oct 2012 #5
I`m in washington State Sadiedog Oct 2012 #6
When did you get your ballot? LisaL Oct 2012 #8
About 2 weeks ago. NT Sadiedog Oct 2012 #34
Need to be postage paid envelopes - since they make the ballots bigger and bigger and some won't 2Design Oct 2012 #10
In OH, none of the absentee ballots were pre-paid. People had to put more than one stamp on them. LisaL Oct 2012 #12
In Oregon, we have drop boxes if you don't want to use stamps. Qutzupalotl Oct 2012 #15
We have same in Colorado Greywing Oct 2012 #21
Is voting in Oregon freaking awesome or what? hogwyld Oct 2012 #35
Yep--you can sit at the kitchen table and google the TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #36
I love it. I voted from my recliner, voter guide in one hand, coffee in the other. Qutzupalotl Oct 2012 #37
Middle class luxury, but bad for low income urban areas leftstreet Oct 2012 #13
I really like early voting in person Maeve Oct 2012 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author randome Oct 2012 #16
Seems much easier to steal than paper punch card Doctor_J Oct 2012 #17
But they can get thrown away, or get lost in the mail. ???? That's what worries me about that.nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #18
It would also be a.... RichGirl Oct 2012 #19
No. No. NO. dont have time to write, but that is the easiest place for fraud.... robinlynne Oct 2012 #20
No problem with vote by mail as an option SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2012 #23
I'm in Oregon and we do love our vote-by-mail sytem. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #25
I'm in Washington state and I love it too.. Upton Oct 2012 #28
Oregon Right wingers want to get rid of Vote-By Mail ErikJ Oct 2012 #30
Mail in ballots are great for people who have no means of getting to the polls or lumpy Oct 2012 #31
Nah, I think I'd rather vote in person. Terra Alta Oct 2012 #32
Only with adequate safeguards on signature validation eridani Oct 2012 #33

earthside

(6,960 posts)
1. A National Federal Election Law
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:10 PM
Oct 2012

The federal government has the power to legislate how elections for federal offices are conducted: President/Vice President; U.S. Senators; U.S. House of Representatives.

So, there should be a uniform registration and voting dates and times across the entire country.

Everybody, no matter what state they live in could know how to be registered (universal registration, same day registration, etc.), how the election is being conducted (mail-in; early voting days and times; election day and hours), and when federal results are released, i.e., no more Florida releasing results while California is still voting.

Personally, I would like to see election day moved to a Saturday and all mail-in voting (with provisions for the disabled community, and other special situations).

I suspect that most states would end-up running their state and local elections at the same time as the federal election.

It is kind of ridiculous that we have so many different rules and regulations governing how we cast our ballot for President of the United States -- the one office we all vote for.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
2. And what are you going to do when your ballot gets lost in the mail?
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:12 PM
Oct 2012

I think all voting should have a paper record, but I am not pushing for "vote by mail."

renate

(13,776 posts)
27. there are tons of drop-off sites if you don't want to take that risk
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:02 PM
Oct 2012

You might still have to drive to drop it off, but you don't have to set aside an entire day to do it.

Voting by mail (or drop-off box) is absolutely wonderful!

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
29. you get a new one, I've been voting by mail for 9 years --it is awesome
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:13 PM
Oct 2012

It is SO MUCH more reliable than going to the polls on election day.

And if I wanted to go to the polls on election day, i can always just drop off my ballot there (which i've done).

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
3. I disagree. We can see that part of voting is the social aspect, the ritual of doing it together
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:12 PM
Oct 2012

Dems especially -- but we need to move towards a tamper proof reliable faster system

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
22. There's also the problem of long lines which can be made worse with long ballots.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:40 PM
Oct 2012

I voted early today in Florida. I already knew what was on the ballot so it took me less than a minute to fill it out (I could see others were taking much longer), after I had to wait in line for 45 minutes. Some areas are a lot worse. If the ability to vote early was mandatory and extended, that could be a good solution.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
24. I rarely wait more than 10 minutes, can't imagine dealing with those long lines
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:42 PM
Oct 2012

and I don't understand why they don't have the resources -- should be govt. $ no?

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
26. There were 4 people checking IDs and handing out ballots and maybe 20 voting booths.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:52 PM
Oct 2012

This was at a public library. I was going to vote yesterday, but I saw the line and full parking lot and didn't think I would have time.

easychoice

(1,043 posts)
4. a Federal system is long overdue
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:13 PM
Oct 2012

King County,WA. has a great mail in program.The Feds should use it nationwide.It is just the best.
Then they can control the whole process start to finish without stolen ballots and sideline distractions.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
7. There was a poster from WA complaining they still haven't got their ballot.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:14 PM
Oct 2012

How is that for a great program? A week before the election and still no ballot (assuming that poster was telling the truth?)

ffr

(22,670 posts)
5. But airmail gets lost/destroyed too
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:13 PM
Oct 2012

Case in point, a cargo plane destined for the troops in Afghanistan went down, taking absentee ballots with it. There's no telling how many ballots were lost (sad for the loss of the crew as well). Many servicemen/women may be disenfranchised because of this plane being lost.

It's not a bad idea though, given that most airplanes don't crash.

2Design

(9,099 posts)
10. Need to be postage paid envelopes - since they make the ballots bigger and bigger and some won't
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:15 PM
Oct 2012

have stamps

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
12. In OH, none of the absentee ballots were pre-paid. People had to put more than one stamp on them.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:18 PM
Oct 2012

Poor people might not want to spend money on stamps to mail their ballots in.

hogwyld

(3,436 posts)
35. Is voting in Oregon freaking awesome or what?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:06 PM
Oct 2012

There's a drop box about a mile from my house. I've lived in 10 of the 50 states, and this is by far the best system I've encountered. It's really nice to have the ballot in front of you and being able to take the time to research the local candidates, especially the judges that go to the state supreme court.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
36. Yep--you can sit at the kitchen table and google the
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:09 PM
Oct 2012

various amendments and candidates that you might not be familiar with, rather than being confronted with making an uninformed sudden decision in the voting booth.

Qutzupalotl

(14,311 posts)
37. I love it. I voted from my recliner, voter guide in one hand, coffee in the other.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:11 PM
Oct 2012

MUCH better than when I felt I had to rush due to people waiting in line behind me.

Oh, and I voted to legalize pot.

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
13. Middle class luxury, but bad for low income urban areas
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:19 PM
Oct 2012

Areas with high mobility rates, etc

There's nothing wrong with people voting absentee if they wish, but it should remain optional. Also, vote by mailers need to find out their state guidelines for opting out of elections. Some people are shocked to find they aren't mailed a current ballot because they missed a few elections.


Meh. There should be polling places on election day.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
14. I really like early voting in person
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:22 PM
Oct 2012

I've voted by mail for many years, but this time we went together (me, Hubby and daughter) to early in-person and I prefer the personal touch...and getting the "I voted" sticker! I will continue to do that as long as it is an option.

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Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
17. Seems much easier to steal than paper punch card
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:24 PM
Oct 2012

I would bet the Repuke authorities would lose most of the votes for D's

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
23. No problem with vote by mail as an option
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:41 PM
Oct 2012

But I don't want it to be mandated, at either the state level where I live or nationally.

Upton

(9,709 posts)
28. I'm in Washington state and I love it too..
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:05 PM
Oct 2012

I always put our ballots in the drop box in town....which I did last week.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
30. Oregon Right wingers want to get rid of Vote-By Mail
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:48 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:13 PM - Edit history (1)

I have read a few things saying they want to get rid of vote-by mail because they say it has lots of voter fraud. But the REAL reason is because it increases voter turnout so much more which makes it harder for them to win.
Knute Beuhler will try to get rid of it I think if he's elected.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
31. Mail in ballots are great for people who have no means of getting to the polls or
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:18 PM
Oct 2012

are unable to walk, bedridden, etc. Why not have both polling place and mail ins. Every effort should be made to insure that people can vote.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
32. Nah, I think I'd rather vote in person.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:21 PM
Oct 2012

I'd be scared my vote would get lost in the mail(accidentally or otherwise).

I'd stand in line all day if I had to. At least then I'd know my vote got counted.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
33. Only with adequate safeguards on signature validation
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 07:18 AM
Oct 2012

In WA, after the statewide hand recount of the 2004 governor's race, a law was passed requiring elections departments to contact people whose signatures didn't match once by mail and twice by phone. Also, you can check online to see if your signature has been validated.

Seniors whose writing changes with age are at a disadvantage, and also non-English speakers who may have trouble understanding what the signature notifications are all about. Some data indicates that people whose first language is not in a Roman alphabet have a higher than average rate of signature rejection.

IMO, even with most ballots mail-in, there should be a poll option for voting in person. In King County you can only do this by going to the elections department.

Hiring and training enough signature validators is a non-trivial problem. It is this step, not tabulation by optical scanning, which is the slow step. Also slowing the process is ballot duplication, necessary when a person corrects a ballot by lining through their mistake, causing it not to be machine readable. Also ballots getting damaged in the mail--not limited to shredding. Ink can transfer from a valid mark to other parts of folded paper, making random marks that cause machine rejection, due to storage conditions.

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