You don't have to be a lawyer to be able to figure this out.

[fightforfreedom]

There is more than enough evidence for a grand jury to subpoena all of Meadows phone records, text messages. It's going to happen, times have changed people. Trump and his merry band of traitors are no longer in power. They can no longer corruptly end investigations.

Trump was just held in contempt. That was a major break through. This is the first time Trump has been held accountable. It's a small step, a first step towards justice. Many people who believe nothing is going to happen to Trump and his merry band of traitors are basing this belief on what happened when Trump was in power, had a corrupt AG. They had the power to end , block investigations. Those days are over.

Subpoena Meadows, I can only imagine what is in the text messages he refused to turn over. Let's see Meadows defy a grand jury subpoena.

Justice is coming, nail Meadows and watch him sing. Nail Meadows and watch the the investigation bust wide open.

[Achilleaze]

1. .

[Sherman A1]

2. I'll believe it when I see it

Not a moment before.

[sop]

3. Maybe not even then.

[Ilsa]

4. I'm sick of the political and/or rich people

breaking the law and getting away with it.

[gab13by13]

5. Held accountable?

The RNC is paying his legal fees, so I guarantee someone will pay his fine. His son-in-law just got 2 billion from Prince Bone Saw, he can pay the fine if need be.

The Cyber Ninjas are being fined 25k per day, has been going on for 2 months. If the fake Cyber Ninja company isn't paying its fine, what makes anyone think Trump will pay his?

Mark Meadows held back 1,000 emails/texts, and I agree, DOJ could get those communications if it wanted.

I have seen no evidence that DOJ wants to prosecute politicians, or former politicians, I believe those people are "off limits." There is precedence from Watergate to prosecute Meadows and he is the center piece of the coup. Meadows was the guy in the middle of the circle jerk.

Another way to get to the White House inner circle would be for DOJ to prosecute the fake electors, waiting to see if that prosecution happens.

[fightforfreedom]

7. I am confident it's going to happen for this reason.

Garland has two choices. Hold the traitors accountable or end the rule of law in America. That's what it comes down to. If Garland does nothing our democracy ends. Garland knows this.

[gab13by13]

9. 10 Senate Republicans voted to confirm Merrick Garland,

including Ron Johnson. Where else have you seen 10 Republican Senators vote for a Democratic proposal?

Mike Lee wanted Trump to appoint Garland, FBI Director.

[Ohio Joe]

11. Sheesh... So much wrong...

"The Cyber Ninjas are being fined 25k per day, has been going on for 2 months. If the fake Cyber Ninja company isn't paying its fine, what makes anyone think Trump will pay his?"

The ninja's do not have a 25k a day fine, they have a 50k a day fine (total now about 3 million). The court battle continues... They tried to avoid everything by bankrupting the company but the state of Arizona pursued them and about a month ago, were able to have the owners, Doug & Mehgan Logan, added as defendants. This was actually a big win as now the fines cannot go away. Appeals go on but so do the fines. While you may want instant justice, that is not how our legal system works.

"Mark Meadows held back 1,000 emails/texts, and I agree, DOJ could get those communications if it wanted."

Meadows gave up a lot, only a small fraction which we have seen... But we have no idea how much he did not give up. There is the 7th Grand Jury going on now and we do not know much of what they have subpoenaed yet.

"I have seen no evidence that DOJ wants to prosecute politicians, or former politicians, I believe those people are "off limits." There is precedence from Watergate to prosecute Meadows and he is the center piece of the coup. Meadows was the guy in the middle of the circle jerk."

Watergate started in '72 and indictments of Nixons inner circle did not happen until '74, the trials were in late '74 and convictions in '75. Appeals went on until '77 when jail time started being served. It's been 13 months since Garland started his investigation and has a Grand Jury looking at TFG's inner circle now. So far, faster than Watergate and we know for fact Meadows is a target of investigation by DOJ as well as some others on TFG's inner circle... Plus some close allies. One is even on trial already and implicating Kushner and his 2 billion dollar deal.

[gab13by13]

16. There is no Cyber Ninja company,

it was a mail box and our DOJ allowed a bogus company have access to ballots, voter information and election material and equipment that according to Title 52 of the federal code was to remain in the possession of election officials. Because nothing was done to stop the Cyber Ninjas, the Big Lie just grew and the fraudits spread across the country.

DOJ didn't go after the Cyber Ninjas, it was a citizens group and a local media outlet that requested documents under FOIA, DOJ did absolutely nothing to the Cyber Ninjas.

Not looking for indictments, looking for investigations. It takes time to go from investigations to grand jury, to indictment, to trial, to convictions.

What stage is DOJ at right now for Trump's inner circle?

[Ohio Joe]

18. Not true at all...

The ninjas were hired to do an audit by the state… Legal if stupid and blatantly partisan. The DOJ had zero legal ability to do anything.

As I said, the DOJ has it’s 7th 1/6 Grand Jury going now, this one using the seditious conspirators that flipped as well as the evidence they turned over and evidence gathered by other means. My guess… And it is only a guess… Is that we will not hear anything major about it until 30-60 days after the 1/6 committee public hearings.

[Novara]

6. I am in "wait and see" mode

I have fluctuated between complete pessimism that any of these motherfuckers would be held to account to a small bit of optimism based on Raskin's public comments (the man does not exaggerate or lie for public consumption) and based on the fact that at least New York is holding him in contempt. Sure, it's a civil trial, and sure, someone will pay his bills - fuck knows he never does - but the fact is, he is held in contempt. And I do think that's a baby step towards justice.

I am a little more optimistic than I was a month ago, but hope is an emotion I dare not indulge in, so I am waiting and watching.

[lastlib]

8. Well, then, what are we waiting for?

Let's get after it!

[dutch777]

10. Yep, gotta move...time is NOT on the Dems side in any of this or legislating

If the Repugs take the House and, heaven forbid, the Senate in November, the stonewalling will increase and they will launch endless investigations to tie up DOJ and other resources. (Hunter, put on your cast iron underwear). That fact then that the Exec Branch is held by the Dems will become nearly irrelevant. I pray none of this will come to pass...

[Ohio Joe]

12. Not exactly true...

If repugs take control of either/both houses (which I do not believe they will), they can send all the referrals they want to DOJ but that does not cause the DOJ to do anything. The DOJ decides if they want to follow up on any of them and also decides when... Repugs cannot force them to do anything.

[dutch777]

14. I was referring to House based investigations not referrals to DOJ.

Although just deluging DOJ with a million crazyland based requests eats up resources too.

[Ohio Joe]

15. ahhh, Sorry, I got that wrong then...

[gibraltar72]

13. Meadows is piling up

the felonies. I count 5 they've got him on dead bang!!

[Chainfire]

17. What just happened is akin to charging a serial killer with jaywalking and calling it a victory

I am not breaking out the beer and balloons yet.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

19. Meadows is a participant in the coup and so the DOJ is holding off on enforcing Jan 6 subpoena

Jill Winebanks is an amazing lawyer. My debate coach/civics teacher/english teacher got me started in politics by following the Watergate hearings and investigation. I am glad that Winebanks agrees with my belief that Mark Meadows has not be changed with regard to the Jan. 6 investigation because Meadows is a person of interest or possible target

Link to tweet

https://www.rawstory.com/mark-meadows-possible-indictment/

But former Watergate attorney Jill Wine-Banks said on MSNBC later in the day that such crimes could be the reason that the Justice Department isn't acting on the contempt of Congress charge.

"I think that some of what we have seen in the last few days may explain why the Department of Justice has not yet indicted Mark Meadows for contempt. and it may be because these documents show him to be an active participant in a coup," said Wine-Banks. "And maybe they are looking at him more seriously for a substantive part and for obstructing Congress. I think he could be guilty of both and that it is very important to work between the Congress and the prosecutors to make sure of that."

She went on to explain that Congress wouldn't give any kind of immunity to Meadows if the DOJ wants to indict him.

"Where Congress says, we really need his testimony — their role is very different," Wine-Banks continued. "They have to pass laws that will protect us from anything like this happening again. They must do that because this, as you have said, is as close to losing democracy as I hope we ever come. So, I want them to pass the laws. But they can do it without his testimony if he is about to be indicted for a crime."

I want the Jan. 6 committee to get as many facts as possible but not if this endangers the prosecution of a participant in the coup