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Russian Karen verbally assaults Ukrainian woman in Stockholm. (Original Post) Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 OP
How awful. What a miserable human being. Tanuki Apr 2022 #1
"Why don't you move back to Russia?" dalton99a Apr 2022 #2
Foul, ugly woman mcar Apr 2022 #3
According to the comments, she's been fired from her job in Sweden. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #4
+1 2naSalit Apr 2022 #7
good rockfordfile Apr 2022 #10
YES, yes indeed!! Duppers Apr 2022 #17
I hope they are right that according to the comments she's been fired from her job in Sweden. Biophilic Apr 2022 #5
Poorly veiled attack on women. Attempt to deflect from fact it is Males who are killing us all. delisen Apr 2022 #6
Oh, I can think of... 2naSalit Apr 2022 #8
I'm a not very young woman myself, and I find this behavior vile. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #9
The term Karen is rooted in sexism. American sexism particularly delisen Apr 2022 #15
OK. Thanks for giving my thread a kick. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #16
That's Yekaterina to you Jilly_in_VA Apr 2022 #11
There has been tension between Ukrainians and Russians for a century... WarGamer Apr 2022 #12
She seems nice! peggysue2 Apr 2022 #13
Very classy! Nice handbag! Is she single? LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #14
Is that her name or are you whistler162 Apr 2022 #18

Biophilic

(3,645 posts)
5. I hope they are right that according to the comments she's been fired from her job in Sweden.
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 03:20 PM
Apr 2022

What an amazingly ugly, vile human being. I just can't imagine.

delisen

(6,042 posts)
6. Poorly veiled attack on women. Attempt to deflect from fact it is Males who are killing us all.
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 03:25 PM
Apr 2022

It is males who are trampling on our rights as human beings.

This so called Karen meme (focused on aging and aged women of the generation born when Karen was a popular name for girls) is bs.

Women are victims of violence; .they are far from the main perpetrators.

How many men-Ukraine, Russia, or US have been raped by middle-aged women this year?

A powerless, weak old woman tirades against another woman in the street and all of us old women are once again labeled Karers. This is the latest manifestation of the w word and the b word. Yes, the witch and the bitch.

But of course you have no generic term for males yelling in the streets… they are exempt because in too many mind men expressing opinions, bad as those opinions might be,are exempt. It is women men seek to silence.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
9. I'm a not very young woman myself, and I find this behavior vile.
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 05:03 PM
Apr 2022

Would you be okay if she was a Southern white woman saying those things to a young black woman? Is vile verbal harassment okay because at least it isn't rape? Really?

And I personally find the notion that women can't be considered responsible for their own bad behavior to be incredibly misogynistic in itself. That's just my opinion though. I'm sure you'll explain to me why I'm wrong.

delisen

(6,042 posts)
15. The term Karen is rooted in sexism. American sexism particularly
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 07:29 PM
Apr 2022

There is no equivalent term to “Karen” for a man being verbally rude or abusive or overbearing or dismissive to another person in public.

In the 1950s and 60s unescorted women were not welcome in the finer restaurants in New York and other cities.. If a woman was a business person or a tourist she was expected to utilize room service in her hotel. If you wanted to dine in a upscale restaurant you were expected to have a male escort. Unescorted men were welcomed; unescorted women were discouraged.

If you reserved a table, when you showed up alone you might be told there was a mistake and be denied entry. If you were seated it was likely to be at an undesirable table and you could expect to be ignored. Often a woman without a male escort was regarded as a hooker and treated disrespectfully If you protested and demanded a better table or better service, you became labeled a bitch. It did not matter whether you were white, black, Asian, or from another country. You were female and powe and finer things were not for you.

By the late 60s and early 70s women started fighting back and demanded to be treated as equal to male patrons. Restaurants fought back with the label “Karen.” Karen was the woman who demanded to be treated as equal to male patrons. She demanded the same service and respect accorded the male. She felt entitled to equality.

I now see this term being resurrected just as the hard won victories of women on the path to equality are being attacked and rolled back. Once again we fight for the right to control our own bodies. I don.t think the resurrection of sexist terms is a coincidence.

I know nothing about the woman in the video. I don’t understand the language. She appears to be acting badly, and appears to be verbally attacking someone else, a woman.. I have seen many men behave this way but there is no label for them. I suspect this woman is upholding a patriarchal system that is the real threat to equality to safety, and to life.

Women are not our main problem and I think the use of the label Karen works to misdirect our attention from solving the actual problem

Jilly_in_VA

(9,965 posts)
11. That's Yekaterina to you
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 05:24 PM
Apr 2022

More likely Katya or Katyusha to her friends, if she has any with behavior like that.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
13. She seems nice!
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 06:07 PM
Apr 2022

Took her 70 years to get that hateful. And this is what the Putin lovers want to emulate?

Guess so.

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