Is there any way to get to a ceasefire in Ukraine?

[kentuck]

Or have we already gone beyond that point?

Can there be any sort of "ceasefire" with Russia pulling all of their tanks and troops out of Ukraine?

Would the Russian people ever demand that Vladimir Putin step down? Or would they stick with him in the same way the Germans stuck with Hitler, almost to the last man?

Is there any way to avoid escalating this war to a grander scale?

It is very depressing.

[Lovie777]

1. Yes, but it would be one-sided . . . .

[BeyondGeography]

2. The solution is going to have to come from inside Russia

Both sides are dug in. Ukraine because its existence is at stake. Putin because he has oversold this war and will be toast if he comes away with anything less than Novorossiya (which Ukraine can never accept).

Russia’s existing forces in Ukraine will soon be spent. Maybe Putin going to full mobilization and martial law combined with a dwindling economy will do the trick.

[H2O Man]

11. +1

[Ray Bruns]

3. I think were past that point. The Ukrainians are not giving up their

sovereignty and I don't see Putin backing down.

[Walleye]

4. They can't make any deals with Putin because he's such a liar

[2naSalit]

5. Not until...

pooptin is dead.

[Amishman]

8. yup, literally over Putin's dead body

And the Russian government as it exists today must be destroyed.

A cease fire or any sort of de-escalation is not in the world's best interests.

Russia has their foot in a bear trap. Everyone else is better off if they stay trapped and bleed out.

[Wounded Bear]

6. It is always easier to start a war than to end one...

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Always. If they reach some kind of a stalemate, where neither side is advancing or retreating, maybe. Otherwise, any cease fire is extremely unlikely. After all, why quit when you're on a roll?

Putin has a pre-Cold War mindset and fancies himself as some kind of modern day Peter the Great, rebuilding the Greater Russian Empire. Hard to imagine anything changing while he remains in power and Russian politics have evolved to where he's the boss and it's difficult to see where the opposition would arise that could depose him. The Russian people have been fully propagandized to where most of them can't see the reality of their situation.

Escalation to a "grander" scale is pretty much on Putin. If he succeeds in Ukraine he will likely continue, as such authoritarians have throughout history. NATO is a defensive alliance and won't attack Russia unless provoked by him. Allowing Putin free rein in Ukraine endangers them all individually and for the most part they know it, with some exceptions - the notable ones being Orban and the le Pen faction in France and others that are, thankfully, still minorities that don't have control of their governments.

Scary times, not unlike the late 30's, but with a more unified Europe than Hitler faced. Thankfully, Biden has managed to keep it that way.

[dutch777]

7. Well stated. Short of Ukraine giving up the east of their country...ceasefire is unlikely

and probably more of a North/South Korea situation where there is a highly militarized standoff forever. They may fight themselves to that stalemate anyway when RU is spent as far as launching conventional attack operations and Ukraine can hold but not meaningfully counterattack to take lost ground.

[Initech]

9. I think the only solution would be if Putin died.

And honestly I wouldn't miss him.

[moondust]

10. Even if they agreed to one,

Putin and Lavrov could just make up more ridiculous bullshit excuses to break it whenever they wanted. Nazis!!!! Fake bodies in the streets!!! Enemy staging attacks on itself to make us look bad!!!! Etc.

[Igirl]

12. An end to fighting with Russia

Pulling out is also called “ Russia admits defeat”.
Not going to happen quickly.

[egduj]

13. Not while fear rules the day.

[brooklynite]

14. Apparently Jeremy Corbyn is on the job.....

Jeremy Corbyn: Now, let us talk peace

With Russian shells raining down on Ukrainian cities, an uneasy ceasefire in Yemen, the attack on Palestinians at prayer in Jerusalem and many other conflicts around the world, it might seem to some to be inappropriate to talk about peace.

When a war is going on, though, it is absolutely the time to talk about peace. How else can we prevent even further loss of life or yet more millions forced into refuge somewhere else in the world? It is welcome that at last the United Nations has taken an initiative with the welcome request by Secretary General António Guterres for face-to-face meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

There must be an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine followed by a Russian troop withdrawal and agreement between Russia and Ukraine on future security arrangements.

All wars end in a negotiation of some sort – so why not now?

https://asiatimes.com/2022/04/jeremy-corbyn-now-let-us-talk-peace/

[relayerbob]

15. Yes, drive Russia out of Ukraine and overthrow Putin

The next few weeks will tell the first part of the story and that will lead directly to the second