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Marius25

(3,213 posts)
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:19 PM Apr 2022

NY Court of Appeals rejects NY redistricting map


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This is insanely unfair. This New York gerrymander would have helped us offset losses in places like Florida due to their gerrymander.

And I believe all the judges on this court are Democrats. 4-3 decided to get rid of the NY redistricting map.

This means that 152 Republican districts are allowed to be gerrymandered, while Dems only get about 30.

It's so ridiculously unfair that Dems are expected to play by the rules, while Republicans get away with anything they want. I freakin hate this country.
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NY Court of Appeals rejects NY redistricting map (Original Post) Marius25 Apr 2022 OP
So, we gerrymander in favor of Democrats in NY to offset Florida g'ming. Hoyt Apr 2022 #1
That's what they did. The Court struck that down Marius25 Apr 2022 #2
Well, good. Gerrymandering ain't right. BTW: Democrats are coming out Hoyt Apr 2022 #3
It's not good. It's unilaterally hurting ourselves, while Republicans Marius25 Apr 2022 #5
See Post #7. I'm against manipulating elections no matter what rationale or outcome. Hoyt Apr 2022 #8
Then you support Republicans winning. Marius25 Apr 2022 #9
Nope. I really think you ought to decide if democracy is right for you. Hoyt Apr 2022 #15
Democracy is already dead in America. Marius25 Apr 2022 #17
Republicons aren't against it. FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #12
Sorry, GOPers aren't my guide. Hoyt Apr 2022 #14
Post removed Post removed Apr 2022 #19
+1 Emile Apr 2022 #31
Good????????? FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #6
You obviously haven't been paying attention, they've been shooting down GOP Hoyt Apr 2022 #7
This is blatantly false. Marius25 Apr 2022 #10
You really ought to do some research before posting stuff like this. Hoyt Apr 2022 #18
Yeah, and I disagree with that. Marius25 Apr 2022 #20
Fine, submit an article to The Economist detailing those 152 districts. Hoyt Apr 2022 #24
Hoyt, your link goes to an old article (February 12). with NY now tossed, atm the Rethugs are back Celerity Apr 2022 #33
+1 bronxiteforever Apr 2022 #35
I do pay attention. FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #11
There's a distinction between "ethical" and "legal" brooklynite Apr 2022 #16
+1 In It to Win It Apr 2022 #22
Yeah, well how do we remove the Democratic appointed judges who made decision. Hoyt Apr 2022 #23
NY is a Blue State with Red House districts. brooklynite Apr 2022 #28
The "Democrats are coming out pretty well" narrative... FBaggins Apr 2022 #13
You do realize that the word gerrymander indicates something undemocratic? Hoyt Apr 2022 #21
One Seldom Sees So Clear An Illustration As You Have Provided Here, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2022 #29
Where did I say that they had gotten it wrong? FBaggins Apr 2022 #34
Asymmetrical warfare will cost us our democracy. W_HAMILTON Apr 2022 #30
Yes because the one and only way gerrymandering will be ended nation wide dsc Apr 2022 #32
Bullshit like this is why I'm disgusted with those who bleat FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #4
I blame the voters of NY in 2014 Polybius Apr 2022 #25
They're only as good as the people willing to enforce them In It to Win It Apr 2022 #26
They won't. SoonerPride Apr 2022 #36
The redistricting commission punted the redrawing of the districts Historic NY Apr 2022 #27
 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
2. That's what they did. The Court struck that down
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:26 PM
Apr 2022

and threw out the NY map. It will cost Dems at least 3 seats.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. Well, good. Gerrymandering ain't right. BTW: Democrats are coming out
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:39 PM
Apr 2022

pretty well nationwide in redistricting this period.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
5. It's not good. It's unilaterally hurting ourselves, while Republicans
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:46 PM
Apr 2022

continue to be allowed to gerrymander.

It's stupid.

And no, we're not doing that great. If Florida and Ohio keep their map, us losing seats in New York means a guaranteed Republican House win.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
15. Nope. I really think you ought to decide if democracy is right for you.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:09 PM
Apr 2022

It’s not like NY is likely to rule unfairly against Democrats.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
17. Democracy is already dead in America.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:10 PM
Apr 2022

If one party is allowed to gerrymander and rig elections, and the other can't, Democracy doesn't exist.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
12. Republicons aren't against it.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:05 PM
Apr 2022

That's why they continue to take offices they lose.

They'll cheat any way possible and exploit anything they can.

Just ask the Democratic candidate who got 3 million MORE votes, but was denied the presidency.

How the fuck ANYONE can be ok with that is beyond my understanding.

Response to Hoyt (Reply #14)

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
6. Good?????????
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:46 PM
Apr 2022

Really??? It's good when something that helps Democrats is shot down?? Yes, gerrymandering ain't right, but until the other side is forced to stop, why the fuck should we continue to shoot ourselves?????

And we can thank a couple Senators with D's after their names when election trickery gives us republicon rule in 2022 and 2024.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. You obviously haven't been paying attention, they've been shooting down GOP
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:52 PM
Apr 2022

gerrymandering a good bit this year.

Besides, unlike some appear to think, “gerrymandering” ain’t right even if it favors Democrats, BECAUSE IT MANIPULATES ELECTIONS. Maybe you ought to check the definition. Look up ethnics, morality, and democracy too.

Give credit to NY for making a tough decision.

Besides, we are coming out ahead this year.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
10. This is blatantly false.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:58 PM
Apr 2022

Dave Wasserman points this out in his tweets.

Republicans were allowed to gerrymander 152 districts. Democrats got about 30.

Democrats are not doing that well on redistricting.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
24. Fine, submit an article to The Economist detailing those 152 districts.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:23 PM
Apr 2022

You have a list of those.

Look, I know gerrymandering happens, I live in South. But that doesn’t mean we have to do it. Appreciate Democrats who stood against it too.

Celerity

(43,349 posts)
33. Hoyt, your link goes to an old article (February 12). with NY now tossed, atm the Rethugs are back
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 07:56 AM
Apr 2022

Last edited Thu Apr 28, 2022, 07:23 PM - Edit history (1)

to a net +9 seats gained, with 4 states including NY now, (40 total districts between the 4 states) to go

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2022/congressional-redistricting-maps-by-state-and-district/












Also the US Supreme Court has been beating us down now too


Democrats’ redistricting gains hit a roadblock: The Supreme Court

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/15/supreme-court-redistricting/

April 15, 2022

Wisconsin Democrats thought they had won the redistricting war. They took over the governor’s office, competed in and won state judicial races and filed lawsuits as early as they could, determined to prevent another cycle of Republican-leaning maps. After a battle between Democratic Gov. Tony Evers and Republican legislators, a conservative judge sided with Evers, rejecting a Republican-drawn legislative map in favor of one that was better for Democrats. But Republicans took their case to the U.S. Supreme Court — and won. “It was a Hail Mary’s Hail Mary, not something we were very focused on,” said Ben Wikler, the chair of Wisconsin’s Democratic Party. “But here we are.”

After a redistricting cycle that initially went better than expected for Democrats, the conservative Supreme Court has bolstered Republican efforts to reverse that trend, with more cases in the wings from GOP attorneys and legislators from multiple states. Alabama Republicans persuaded the Supreme Court to override a lower court’s ruling that would have forced the state to draw two congressional districts with large Black voting blocs. In Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis has laid the groundwork for a legal battle over his desire to eliminate a district with a plurality of Black voters. Ohio Republicans, who have repeatedly lost in the state Supreme Court over gerrymandered maps, is waging a parallel legal fight in a more favorable federal court.

What worries Democrats and voting rights advocates most is the potential that the Supreme Court will validate a legal theory that state legislatures alone must draw political maps — a judgment that would give lawmakers final say over redistricting, stripping out the role that governors, judges and even independent commissions set up by voters have in the process. North Carolina Republicans have asked the court to weigh in; Republicans in other states, such as Pennsylvania and Ohio, have endorsed the idea, known colloquially as the “independent state legislature theory.”

If adopted, Democrats and voting rights advocates say, state legislatures — many of them gerrymandered to maximize control — would obtain unprecedented power. “It would be Defcon 1 to democracy,” said David Pepper, former Democratic state party chairman in Ohio. “They’re coming up with multiple ways to get around the fact that state Supreme Courts have risen as the strongest check on these gerrymandered state legislatures,” Pepper said. “Declaring statehouses beyond judicial review would be devastating to democracy. They basically are already not accountable at the polls, so the only thing we have at this point is courts to hold them into check.”

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FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
11. I do pay attention.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:02 PM
Apr 2022

I'm just among those who are sick of our side playing nice, giving the likes of Moscow Mitch their way and setting things up for future losses.

We cannot win that way.

Since that's OK with you, there's nothing else to be said.

brooklynite

(94,535 posts)
16. There's a distinction between "ethical" and "legal"
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:10 PM
Apr 2022

I'll go with "ethical" as long as Republicans do.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
23. Yeah, well how do we remove the Democratic appointed judges who made decision.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:19 PM
Apr 2022

They did the right thing if the districts were manipulated. It takes something egregious to get redistricting thrown out.

Sorry, what’s right is right. Besides, NY is a blue state and will remain that way.

FBaggins

(26,735 posts)
13. The "Democrats are coming out pretty well" narrative...
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:05 PM
Apr 2022

… was based in large part on this NY gerrymander and the earlier FL plan that looked quite modest.

If both go against us… things are no longer looking favorable.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
21. You do realize that the word gerrymander indicates something undemocratic?
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:14 PM
Apr 2022

In friggin NY of all things.

ALL/MOST THE FRIGGIN JUDGES ARE DEMOCRATS. They did the right thing.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
29. One Seldom Sees So Clear An Illustration As You Have Provided Here, Sir
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 04:19 AM
Apr 2022

Of the old definition of a liberal as a man who won't take his own side in a quarrel....

FBaggins

(26,735 posts)
34. Where did I say that they had gotten it wrong?
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 09:15 AM
Apr 2022

I was merely correcting the notion that redistricting had been working out well this cycle.

That was the perception a month or two ago - but things don't look nearly as promising now (and that's on top of 2010's already challenging lines)

W_HAMILTON

(7,864 posts)
30. Asymmetrical warfare will cost us our democracy.
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 05:49 AM
Apr 2022

And New York was one of the reasons "Democrats are coming out pretty well nationwide."

If this decision is allowed to stand and the Florida changes are allowed to take effect -- which they almost certainly will be, once again, asymmetrical warfare -- Democrats will no longer be "coming out pretty well nationwide."

I am all for outlawing gerrymandering. But gerrymandering is not outlawed. And until it is, we should not unilaterally disarm ourselves while Republicans are using gerrymandering to devastating effect.

dsc

(52,161 posts)
32. Yes because the one and only way gerrymandering will be ended nation wide
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 07:20 AM
Apr 2022

is for us to have large enough majorities in the House and Senate to pass a bill banning it.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
4. Bullshit like this is why I'm disgusted with those who bleat
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:43 PM
Apr 2022

GOTV is "The Answer". It's not. By itself, it's not enough.

Republicons have been working to entrench their cheating, Democrats "play fair".

I wish people would pull their heads out of the sand and see what is going on.



That's what I think every time I read a post that we "just have to GOTV", or "stop saying republicons will win".


Polybius

(15,405 posts)
25. I blame the voters of NY in 2014
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:35 PM
Apr 2022

It was a ballot initiative, and voters voted to ban gerrymandering. The judges had no choice.

In It to Win It

(8,248 posts)
26. They're only as good as the people willing to enforce them
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:49 PM
Apr 2022

Let's hope Florida judges adhere to a similar ballot initiative passed by voters -fingers cross-

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
27. The redistricting commission punted the redrawing of the districts
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:54 PM
Apr 2022

back to the assembly. It was all approved.

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