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ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:02 PM Oct 2012

NYT Editorial aimed at Mitt: "A Big Storm Requires Big Government"

Most Americans have never heard of the National Response Coordination Center, but they’re lucky it exists on days of lethal winds and flood tides. The center is the war room of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, where officials gather to decide where rescuers should go, where drinking water should be shipped, and how to assist hospitals that have to evacuate.

Disaster coordination is one of the most vital functions of “big government,” which is why Mitt Romney wants to eliminate it. At a Republican primary debate last year, Mr. Romney was asked whether emergency management was a function that should be returned to the states. He not only agreed, he went further.

“Absolutely,” he said. “Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.” Mr. Romney not only believes that states acting independently can handle the response to a vast East Coast storm better than Washington, but that profit-making companies can do an even better job. He said it was “immoral” for the federal government to do all these things if it means increasing the debt.

It’s an absurd notion, but it’s fully in line with decades of Republican resistance to federal emergency planning. FEMA, created by President Jimmy Carter, was elevated to cabinet rank in the Bill Clinton administration, but was then demoted by President George W. Bush, who neglected it, subsumed it into the Department of Homeland Security, and placed it in the control of political hacks. The disaster of Hurricane Katrina was just waiting to happen.


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NYT Editorial aimed at Mitt: "A Big Storm Requires Big Government" (Original Post) ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 OP
Life under Romney - 50 disparate emergency Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #1
How many times we gotta tell these jackasses that Confederacies don't work? johnlucas Oct 2012 #24
Oh, come on--if it's a LEGITIMATE storm, your house has ways to protect itself! It will shut down MADem Oct 2012 #31
I don't think you needed that smiley, but I guess better safe than, you know. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #34
I've seen some people get shut down because their cleverness was not taken! MADem Oct 2012 #35
Right. The sarcasm icon is a prophylactic smiley. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #37
TY! Lucinda Oct 2012 #2
K&R flamingdem Oct 2012 #3
nice short stinger......k&r.... spanone Oct 2012 #4
Telling the truth! We are a huge country. We get more done UNITED than DIVIDED. freshwest Oct 2012 #5
Mitt thinks disaster relief is something young missionaries can do with care packages... reformist2 Oct 2012 #6
Grover Norquist wants to drown government -- but who drowns in the end? Blue Owl Oct 2012 #7
I'd love liberalmike27 Oct 2012 #18
yup.. Historic NY Oct 2012 #23
Turning regulation back to the states volstork Oct 2012 #8
k & r n/t ejbr Oct 2012 #9
I don't understand---WHY is it immoral? young_at_heart Oct 2012 #10
I guess Mitt thinks the poem on the Statue of Liberty is immoral, too. n/t Beartracks Oct 2012 #15
don't understand kardonb Oct 2012 #16
That's it. eyewall Oct 2012 #26
Private sector can't/won't do stuff unless it can make a profit. Beartracks Oct 2012 #11
Well said. nt Chorophyll Oct 2012 #14
It's why Ayn Rand was a pitiful idiot jsmirman Oct 2012 #12
Kick and DU Rec. Chorophyll Oct 2012 #13
Mitt's response to a disaster: "Let [insert state's name here] go bankrupt." Beartracks Oct 2012 #17
What's with the neo-Feudalism, Mitt? Beartracks Oct 2012 #19
And, as President Obama said..he's "not for big government or small government but Cha Oct 2012 #20
But Robbedme will be in Ohio (gee, who'd a thunk Ohio) to raise the $ big gov. shouldn't spend. VPStoltz Oct 2012 #21
And just who would pay the private sector? ohheckyeah Oct 2012 #22
K&R Segami Oct 2012 #25
Can you imagine the California earthquake zentrum Oct 2012 #27
Immoral? pklaz96 Oct 2012 #28
K&R. (nt) Kurovski Oct 2012 #29
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #30
Yup. Up2Late Oct 2012 #32
Another Problem, Not Identified, For Romney DallasNE Oct 2012 #33
A big population requires big government jmondine Oct 2012 #36
 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
24. How many times we gotta tell these jackasses that Confederacies don't work?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:26 AM
Oct 2012

Leave small time stuff to states. Everything else needs to go to the national level.
That argument was proven TWICE.
Time to hang it up.
John Lucas

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Oh, come on--if it's a LEGITIMATE storm, your house has ways to protect itself! It will shut down
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:47 AM
Oct 2012

prevent damage from happening!!! That's all King Mittwit is saying!!!!

(I'm sure I need at least one of these for those who don't get my clever wit!)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. I've seen some people get shut down because their cleverness was not taken!
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:31 AM
Oct 2012

I always whip that thing out, just to be safe!

spanone

(135,838 posts)
4. nice short stinger......k&r....
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:19 PM
Oct 2012

here's the rest of it....


The agency was put back in working order by President Obama, but ideology still blinds Republicans to its value. Many don’t like the idea of free aid for poor people, or they think people should pay for their bad decisions, which this week includes living on the East Coast.

Over the last two years, Congressional Republicans have forced a 43 percent reduction in the primary FEMA grants that pay for disaster preparedness. Representatives Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor and other House Republicans have repeatedly tried to refuse FEMA’s budget requests when disasters are more expensive than predicted, or have demanded that other valuable programs be cut to pay for them. The Ryan budget, which Mr. Romney praised as “an excellent piece of work,” would result in severe cutbacks to the agency, as would the Republican-instigated sequester, which would cut disaster relief by 8.2 percent on top of earlier reductions.

Does Mr. Romney really believe that financially strapped states would do a better job than a properly functioning federal agency? Who would make decisions about where to send federal aid? Or perhaps there would be no federal aid, and every state would bear the burden of billions of dollars in damages. After Mr. Romney’s 2011 remarks recirculated on Monday, his nervous campaign announced that he does not want to abolish FEMA, though he still believes states should be in charge of emergency management. Those in Hurricane Sandy’s path are fortunate that, for now, that ideology has not replaced sound policy.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. Telling the truth! We are a huge country. We get more done UNITED than DIVIDED.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:20 PM
Oct 2012
United we stand, divided we fall...

To be picked over by vultures...

Get a clue, Mittens, or get out of the way
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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
6. Mitt thinks disaster relief is something young missionaries can do with care packages...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:26 PM
Oct 2012

I really don't think he understands the permanent organizational structures and chains of command you need when disasters strike on the scale we're now seeing. Either that, or he simply doesn't care...

volstork

(5,401 posts)
8. Turning regulation back to the states
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:39 PM
Oct 2012

got us the tragedy that is the recent fungal meningitis outbreak. 347 cases and 25 deaths have occurred due to lack of state oversight at the NECC in Massachusetts. Enough said.

young_at_heart

(3,768 posts)
10. I don't understand---WHY is it immoral?
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:46 PM
Oct 2012

'He said it was “immoral” for the federal government to do all these things if it means increasing the debt.'

Increasing military spending also increases the debt!

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
11. Private sector can't/won't do stuff unless it can make a profit.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:46 PM
Oct 2012

And by its very nature, disaster response is not really a profit-making activity. NOT responding is more profitable -- kinda like for-profit health insurance, which makes more money by DENYING care.

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jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
12. It's why Ayn Rand was a pitiful idiot
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:51 PM
Oct 2012

it's sad that people don't realize how dumb her "philosophy" is.

I guess it has an appeal for people who want to call "being an asshole" a type of philosophy.

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
17. Mitt's response to a disaster: "Let [insert state's name here] go bankrupt."
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:01 AM
Oct 2012

We saw how Romney treat's any enterprise on the brink of disaster: "let them fail." It's what he thought of troubled automobile manufacturers, and the entire city of Detroit. Why would he care any more for a state swamped by hurricanes or devastated by late freezes? In his and the Republican party's opinion, it's your own fault for not planning ahead and having vast sums of money set aside for such contingencies; you've obviously failed somewhere.

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Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
19. What's with the neo-Feudalism, Mitt?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:06 AM
Oct 2012

The whole of Western development and democracy left fiefdoms and serfs and warrior-kings far behind.

Forget the 1950s; Mitt Romney is aiming for something much farther back on the timeline of history.

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Cha

(297,257 posts)
20. And, as President Obama said..he's "not for big government or small government but
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:20 AM
Oct 2012
A SMART GOVERNMENT" And, that's what he's Going FOR!

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
22. And just who would pay the private sector?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:23 AM
Oct 2012

The federal government. And who would profit if it was given to the private sector? We all know that answer.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
27. Can you imagine the California earthquake
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:07 AM
Oct 2012

....that's coming, happening under Romney?

Whether it's illegal wars, Katrinas, or lack of safety regulations in industry---huge numbers of people die under Republican rule.

pklaz96

(46 posts)
28. Immoral?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:09 AM
Oct 2012

How is helping communities during a devastating hurricane 'immoral'?
Is that a Mormon concept, or just another Rmoney position? If so, it will change before this post is transmitted.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
33. Another Problem, Not Identified, For Romney
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:17 AM
Oct 2012

Indeed, his comments to privatize FEMA is a problem in spite of him giving his busy Etch-A-Sketch another hard shake. It is still another reminder that Romney has no core principles beyond whatever it takes to get elected.

The other problem is the nature of this storm and how it is a stern reminder about the problems of climate change and just how miserably wrong the science deniers are. This alone should be ample reason for not voting for Romney, piled on top of all of the others.

The choice in this election is the most stark and clear cut since the 1932 election yet there are so many low information and racist voters this time around that they are on the verge of voting wrong on what should be a no-brainer election.

jmondine

(1,649 posts)
36. A big population requires big government
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:36 AM
Oct 2012

I believe in government of, by, and for the people, all 300 million of us. There is no way a small representative government could possibly serve and protect a population of that size from those who would harm and oppress us.

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