Ok... This old gay man has an idea if Roe vs. Wade is trashed...

[MotorCityBeard]

How about we make the sperm donors responsible for 50% of the cost of the baby?

Hey, it takes two to tango, and there was only one (alleged) virgin birth, and this one isn't likely the second. Put on your big boy pants and take responsibility for your impressively potent sperm, son.

So many times I heard when I was a teenager, some guy knocks his girlfriend up and his first reaction is "How do I know it's mine?" In more than a few cases, because I knew this was true, my response was "BECAUSE SHE LOVES YOU and she isn't sleeping with anyone else".

I know it isn't perfect. There are cases of rape, women being date raped, drugged... The father can't always be identified.

BUT, there are many times where the father can be identified. He needs to suck it up and do his duty. IT SHOULD NOT ONLY BE THE WOMAN'S RESPONSIBILITY.

[SergeStorms]

1. I imagine the discussion would go....

something like this: "I don't have to wear a condom. It's the woman's responsibility to make sure she doesn't get pregnant ".

That is, until they outlaw contraception, then it will be: "She shouldn't have let me have intercourse with her when she knew there wasn't any contraception ".

It's always the woman's fault - even in cases of rape and incest. "She was looking for it wearing those clothes".

In the patriarchal world, it's never the man's fault or responsibility.

I wish I could use the sarcasm emoji, but there's nothing sarcastic about it. It's as close to the truth as it'll ever come.

[AntivaxHunters]

2. No, this harms women who are unable to have kids & want them

[Tickle]

3. ❤️ nt

[smirkymonkey]

4. Hear, hear! And now we have...DNA!

If this goes through, there is no way progressive attorneys are going to let the sperm donors off the hook. They will make sure that these women are taken care of one way or another, if not by the father than by the state that sentenced them to their fate.

I agree with you completely and it makes me sick that the focus is completely on the woman - the responsibility, the criminality, the physical risk.

Oh no. Other people are going to pay for this too, I guarantee it. Fathers, family members of those involved, politicians, vigilantes, petty bureaucrats, LE officers. This is going to be a legal shitshow. There is so much that can and will go wrong with this decision. They will regret the day they ever even considered this.

There will be a lot of tragedy followed by a lot of litigation.

[markie]

5. if only...

but, it is so much more than "the cost of the baby"... we just can't let Roe v Wade be trashed!!

[demigoddess]

6. if men are held responsible with DNA testing they will support Roe V Wade being

reinstated. Cheaper for the guy, and not for 20 years.

[CrackityJones75]

7. How about no?

How about a woman shouldn’t be firced to carry a baby?

How about paying fir 50% overlooks the fact thatt he woman has to have the thing inside her fir 9 fucking months and then birth it and likely care for it… So no. Paying 50% isn’t even fucking close to fair.

How about a large group of women bust into the USSC grab these five fucks by their robes, drag them outside and burn their asses at the stake like the guy Alito uses in his “opinion” and then Biden appoints 5 more justices?

How about that? Too much?

[Scrivener7]

8. THIS!!! What is all this bullshit "It's OK because we can solve it all another way" crap?

There's another thread suggesting jury nullification as a solution. I kid you not.

These suggestions are childish and disrespectful of the problems and horrors that women are facing.

God damn it.

[obamanut2012]

10. I am so enraged

I am so tired if this misogynistic garbage being posted here as a "solution."

[scarletlib]

11. It is not a solution.

But it is better than doing nothing. If you/we can’t stop these states then financial punishment for the fathers and/or compelling the state to take up these expenses/costs is an option. Nothing can change minds faster than money leaving a man’s pockets to support his unwanted children.

Let these states be forced by law to support these unwilling mothers and unwanted children until they reach adulthood. These cheap ass states will be forced to raise taxes on everyone to do this. Punish them.

[Scrivener7]

13. Really? This is better than doing nothing? You want to wait around for

decades hoping for THIS to be passed?

Sure. It'll just slide right through.

And who do you think pays the states? You want to use MY tax money to enslave women and children?

NO!

It is not better than doing nothing because it is navel gazing nonsense that allows people to feel complacent.

While some women die and other women are forced into poverty and servitude, population and crime explode, and YOUR PERSONHOOD and YOUR RIGHTS TO YOUR BODY are trampled.

[scarletlib]

15. No that's not what I am saying.

Also, class action lawsuits, parental support cases don’t take decade but if they do so what. Make them pay. I am saying that if it comes to pass alternate actions can be taken. One is to require those who force these pregnancies to pay for them. It doesn’t mean I support these laws. We should not stop fighting these laws. However, it could take years. In the meantime these women deserve financial compensation for the burdens forced on them. Lawsuits/financial compensation: It’s the American way.

Finally, if all our taxes have to be raised so be it. You don’t like it, then get the government out of the forced birth business and off women’ bodies.

Because right now, these states are passing laws that put all the burden on women. It’s easy for the states. No consequence for them. Make them pay. See how long this goes one when it costs money.

[Scrivener7]

16. "So what." SMDH.

"Get the government out of the forced business" is the damn point. And this nonsense is being put out as the way to do that. And it is moronic.

Parental support cases? Really? So assume pregnant Mary from Bumfuck, Ohio scrapes together the money to hire the lawyer to bring the case. Do you have any idea how few child support awards are actually ever paid? Do you understand that NO ONE enforces this? And you'll tell me, "Well we have to." And I will tell you the reality: "Well, we DON'T!"

And how, exactly, do you get the notion that this is an "alternate action?" Alternate to what? The woman still has to go through the pregnancy. The unwanted kid is born. That's the problem. This does nothing but treat her like a parking meter that needs to be fed coins while she bears and raises the child and lives a life that she has no say in. And no, once again, I will not stand for my taxes being used to enslave women.

Jesus. It's been four days and we've already jumped from "No you can't do that" to "well, OK, but it'll cost ya so we can feel like we're doing something."

Well, forgive me, but I'm still back at "No."

[DLevine]

12. Agreed. Women must have bodily autonomy. End of discussion. nt

[Hortensis]

14. Men already are legally responsible, but some of the laws need to be

toughened up and applied a lot more consistently and firmly. As said, this would only help that out.

I remember when people could create new lives for themselves by abandoning their old connections, moving over the horizon and adopting a new name. The possibility was a reality of life that mostly doesn't exist now.

And of course the #1 old defense, "It's not mine."

No more.

[Scrivener7]

17. There has never been a will to "toughen up" and "consistently and firmly" apply child support laws.

This will not change that.