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AverageOldGuy

(3,367 posts)
Fri May 6, 2022, 09:17 AM May 2022

First they came for the women . . . .

The nation is all a-twitter about the Supreme Court's decision to destroy the right of women to manage their own bodies.  Comments on the overturning of Roe are now worried about the likelihood of the Court overturning other rights:  the right to use contraception (Griswold v. Connecticut); same-gender marriage (Obergefell v. Hodges); the right to marry a person of another race (Loving v. Virginia); and every other right not in the Constitution as it was originally approved in 1788. 

This move by the Court to destroy Roe -- buttressed by three "justices" who lied in their confirmation hearings -- makes it clear that many of the rights we take for granted are in danger.

I'm reminded of the words of Reverend Martin Niemöller.

Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany. He emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps. He is perhaps best remembered for his postwar words,

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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First they came for the women . . . . (Original Post) AverageOldGuy May 2022 OP
It's all part of their plan IMO too! The writing is clearly on the wall, and then RKP5637 May 2022 #1
thanks for the reminder - authoritarians must remove their opposition rurallib May 2022 #2
Soon, this will NO LONGER be the United States of America. ProudMNDemocrat May 2022 #3
We are dealing with radical activists masquerading as judges dalton99a May 2022 #4
The MAGA version: malthaussen May 2022 #5
Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2022 #7
I don't think they'll realize what they've done Even them FoxNewsSucks May 2022 #13
Those millions of republicans want an authoritarian gov't but they mistakenly think they will be the keithbvadu2 May 2022 #17
Election night 2016 exboyfil May 2022 #6
Exactly what I was thinking. niyad May 2022 #8
and in amerikkka: llashram May 2022 #9
They will come for all of us eventually. smirkymonkey May 2022 #10
The thing was they had already come for the women and nobody noticed Farmer-Rick May 2022 #11
The JUDGES have now become our politicians. Our Government was NOT designed to be Ziggysmom May 2022 #12
Republicans used to be against judicial activism. keithbvadu2 May 2022 #16
Seems they're over personal freedoms and limited government, too. n/t Harker May 2022 #19
I am curious what the total list would look like, of rights that are in danger because 70sEraVet May 2022 #14
We are in a situation now, IMHO The Grand Illuminist May 2022 #15
The nation has been moving toward wnylib May 2022 #18
Small discrepancy Bear Creek May 2022 #20
They called themselves national socialists since wnylib May 2022 #21
National Socialist Bear Creek May 2022 #22
Article on fascism and Nazism (national socialism) wnylib May 2022 #23
k&r Demovictory9 May 2022 #24

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
1. It's all part of their plan IMO too! The writing is clearly on the wall, and then
Fri May 6, 2022, 09:20 AM
May 2022

some will eventually say, WTF, how did this happen?

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,630 posts)
3. Soon, this will NO LONGER be the United States of America.
Fri May 6, 2022, 09:25 AM
May 2022

Who will want to come here for Freedom, Liberty, and Justice for All?

The moniker of Richest Shithole country will take on a whole new meaning.

malthaussen

(18,412 posts)
5. The MAGA version:
Fri May 6, 2022, 09:46 AM
May 2022

First they came for the LBTQ, and I cheered, because I hate LBTQ.
Then they came for the non-white, and I cheered, because I hate non-whites.
Then they came for the women, and I cheered, because I hate women.
Now they're coming for me, but I don't understand: I voted for Trump!

-- Mal

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
17. Those millions of republicans want an authoritarian gov't but they mistakenly think they will be the
Fri May 6, 2022, 11:54 AM
May 2022

Those millions of republicans want an authoritarian gov't but they mistakenly think they will be the few thousand elites actually in charge.

Those millions are useful tools for those who will actually be in charge.

One poster called it a 'new social feudalism age'.

exboyfil

(18,338 posts)
6. Election night 2016
Fri May 6, 2022, 09:50 AM
May 2022

This is the inevitable outcome, and it is going to get worse before it gets better.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
10. They will come for all of us eventually.
Fri May 6, 2022, 11:05 AM
May 2022

I have predicted this for a long time (past 20 years) and I hope I am wrong, but so far, I haven't been. It has played out exactly the way I said it would and we won't understand until we are "disappeared" in the middle of the night.

Niemöller's words have never carried more weight than they have since WWII, and now they are meaningful again.

Farmer-Rick

(12,490 posts)
11. The thing was they had already come for the women and nobody noticed
Fri May 6, 2022, 11:22 AM
May 2022

Women back then we're kept at home popping out baby after baby. If they took a job for the good of the country, it wasn't to lead to a career and they still had to clean, cook and pop out babies. Women were honored by Nazis and churches alike for being passive incubators who were shunned for having sexual pleasure or desires. Pure little virgins until a man took them and told them what to do.

Just saying this Lutheran pastor probably supported that attitude towards women and it never dawned on him how abusive it was.

Ziggysmom

(4,059 posts)
12. The JUDGES have now become our politicians. Our Government was NOT designed to be
Fri May 6, 2022, 11:33 AM
May 2022

this way. This in itself is unconstitutional.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
16. Republicans used to be against judicial activism.
Fri May 6, 2022, 11:52 AM
May 2022

Republicans used to be against judicial activism.

They've gotten over it.

70sEraVet

(5,252 posts)
14. I am curious what the total list would look like, of rights that are in danger because
Fri May 6, 2022, 11:43 AM
May 2022

they had been decided based on interpretations of the 14th ammendment. For instance, I know that children born in the US are automatically granted US citizenship, even if the parents are in the US illegally, because of an interpretation of the 14th ammendment. Can THAT be overruled, because granting citizenship to the children of undumented parents is not "deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions"??

The Grand Illuminist

(1,989 posts)
15. We are in a situation now, IMHO
Fri May 6, 2022, 11:46 AM
May 2022

Where just speaking alone will not do any good. We are now in extremely unfortunate circumstances.

wnylib

(25,355 posts)
18. The nation has been moving toward
Fri May 6, 2022, 12:18 PM
May 2022

a confrontation for decades. It has intensified since the political and personal attacks on the Clinton administration, like the absurd claims that the Clintons were murdering people, the rise in RW hate groups and arms sales during that time, the Hillary bashing.

The Bush II years were so oppressive that Stephen King based a novel on them with the analogy of a giant dome encasing people. The way that Bush was appointed by the SC was blatantly a judicial/political coup.

The election of a liberal Black president threw the RWers over the top.

As the polarization increased, the RW craziness, fanaticism, and hate increased exponentially. Russian interference and placement of Trump in the White House expedited the direction we were going in, but it started before then.

As we push back, the right wing fanaticism will boil over. A physical confrontation seems almost inevitable at this point. It might begin with a RW attack like J6. It might begin with left wing pushback. But it will take someone with extraordinary ability to head it off right now.

wnylib

(25,355 posts)
21. They called themselves national socialists since
Fri May 6, 2022, 02:55 PM
May 2022

that's the party that Hitler took over. They were fascists.

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
22. National Socialist
Fri May 13, 2022, 01:47 AM
May 2022

It is from fascism. But the line in the poem is communists not socialists. The socialists fought against the communists. Also after wwll the American government brought them over to help fight the red scare. Probably why the Republicans, some of our military and police have fascist tendencies.

wnylib

(25,355 posts)
23. Article on fascism and Nazism (national socialism)
Fri May 13, 2022, 02:00 AM
May 2022
https://www.dictionary.com/e/nazi-fascist/

According to this article, Nazism (national socialism) is a form of fascism.

Regarding the importation of Nazis to the US to fight communism, we also specifically recruited Nazi spies to help in establishing the CIA.
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