Despite U.S. ban, Russian ammo is still legally flowing into the (US) market.

[AndyS]

After the poisoning of dissident Alexei Navalny last year, the Biden administration banned imports of Russian ammunition. But because the State Department policy only covered new or pending permits, existing U.S. permits holders for Russian ammo imports were unaffected. USA TODAY reports that since the ban went into effect in September ammo shipments from seven Russian munition plants have come in through 13 American importers, amounting to more than 400 million rounds, nearly equal the rate for all of 2021.

How about that! The uber patriotic gun culture, the one that worships at the alter of the 2nd Amendment of the American Constitution is funding the Russian War with Ukraine.

This has to stop and to stop it we have to outspend the Gun Culture. We CAN do that now because for the first time in 50 years there is a viable anti gun violence movement. Let's all get up off our wallets and do what works!

[Bev54]

1. Just do an outright ban, period.

[former9thward]

9. Can't be done.

It would violate the contracts clause of the Constitution. The federal government can't stop existing contracts.

[Amishman]

15. Yup, the existing permits had to be honored. They will expire over the next year or two.

Might be able to add a tariff, but since these are already approved for import, it might be too late for that too.

From what I'm reading, existing permits are for a specific quantity. Once that amount has come in, the approval is exhausted and a new one would be needed. With Joe's ban, that new permit will be denied.

[AndyS]

20. Please see reply #9. nt

[Amishman]

21. I did, I'm agreeing with it and adding more detail

[AndyS]

22. Sorry, my bad. Typo. Try #19.

or just read it here:

Can be done if the buyer cancel's the P.O. But that would mean giving up profit $$ to help defend a country fighting for it's very existence as a democracy. It would mean depriving Russia of some of the money it uses to bomb civilians and children.

Or, gunz . . .

[AndyS]

19. Can be done if the buyer cancel's the P.O.

But that would mean giving up profit $$ to help defend a country fighting for it's very existence as a democracy. It would mean depriving Russia of some of the money it uses to bomb civilians and children.

Or, gunz . . .

[Bev54]

23. Ok thanks, that was not made clear in the OP.

[ck4829]

2. You know when they find opioids, they say "enough drugs to kill X people"?

So 400 million rounds, enough rounds to kill 400 million people, right?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. What a travesty! We are helping fund the Russian aggression against Ukraine?

I am disgusted. The right hand definitely does not know what the left hand is doing.

And the gun "culture" backers have no problem with this.

Yeah, time to stop this horror. Way past due to stop it.

[Ray Bruns]

4. The obvious question: Given the performance of the RA in Ukraine

and how much equipment they have lost, how can they keep exporting ammo to the US?

[SYFROYH]

5. Slow your roll AndyS. I do not think your link supports your OP.

The ban or restriction is new or pending applications for the permanent importation of firearms and ammo. I think this excludes existing permits to import ammo.

1. Restrictions on the permanent imports of certain Russian firearms. New and pending permit applications for the permanent importation of firearms and ammunition manufactured or located in Russia will be subject to a policy of denial.

If I understand correctly, the current regulations cited in your post are giving existing importers the total market share and restricting competition. This will make existing importers richer.

edited.

[AndyS]

7. That is the whole point of the post.

The gun industry is continuing to import and support the Russian arms industry by apparently EXPEDITING (more in the first six months since the ban than in the 12 months before) shipments of existing orders. The RIGHT and Patriotic thing to do would be to cancel the existing orders. It seems that $$ is more important to the gun industry than human lives.

BUT OH! That's the whole point of guns . . .

[SYFROYH]

11. My point is that the new regulations don't ban the importation of ammo by existing permit holders.

I have to assume that was intentional at some level.

[AndyS]

12. Or could it be an oversight that the gun sellers are exploiting??

It is, after all the prerogative of the buyer to cancel orders for product that is banned in the country---or exploit it for profit.

I just want it on record how fucking patriotic and loyal to the country the gun culture and the gunners who support it are.

Thanks for helping with that . . .

[AndyS]

8. This may be a violation of TOS:

If I understand correctly, Biden is giving existing importers the total market share and restricting competition. This will make existing importers richer.

Is this a slam on the Biden administration? Are you accusing the Biden administration of intentionally supporting the gun industry in importing Russian ammo?

Consider re-wording please.

[SYFROYH]

10. Ok, I'll remove our president's name from the post.

[AndyS]

13. As long as we know where your loyalties are . . .

[sarisataka]

16. That's rich

TOS says to support Democratic candidates

Don't vote party, vote gun violence. That's why Gabby Gifford's has endorsed two Republicans for senate. The two have consistently voted against the NRA and for her that's the most important issue for the short term.

Even if it is for only one or two election cycles, if the NRA's mythological omnipotence can be defeated and shown for being a mile deep and an inch wide it is worth it.

-circa August 2016

Was it worth it?

[AndyS]

17. Excuse the hell out of me but what

Last edited Fri May 6, 2022, 05:53 PM - Edit history (1)

has that to do with supporting the Russian war effort by continuing to support the Russian arms industry?

[Hoyt]

6. About what we should expect from gun-humpers and ammosexuals.

[bottomofthehill]

14. Make a massive purchase, get as much Russian Ammo as humanly possible

Then do a Trump. Stiff them on the bill. Send the Ammo to the Ukraine to help them fight for Democracy.........

[AndyS]

18. Oh, if only . . .