Anti abortionists' contraception agenda

[wnylib]

Today on NPR's All Things Considered, Adrian Florido interviewed Carol Tobias, president of the National Right to Life Committee. The program's title was, "After Roe v Wade, What's Next?"

Tobias said their next issue is contraception devices that cause abortion. Asked if they will push to make contraception illegal, Tobias said that their goal is to educate people on the issue.

In other words, contraception is their next target. Does anyone doubt that "educate people on it" means push propaganda that calls for criminalizing contraception?

I have seen threads here warning about this. Today we have it in their own words. The anti abortionists (aka right to life) have contraception next on their agenda.

[Cerridwen]

1. they've been equating birth control methods with abortion for decades that

I can think of.

[wnylib]

2. Yes. In 1968 I heard a Catholic priest

say that IUDs cause abortions because they prevent fertilized eggs from implanting. More recently, they are saying that birth control pills have the same effect. Diaphragms are used with spermicides, so they are "tantamount to murder."

Yes, opposition to these forms of birth control is not new, but now they are trying to make contraception illegal.

[Ray Bruns]

17. That has always been the Catholic line. They fed me the same BS when I was 7th grade

It was BS then and it is BS now.

[wnylib]

18. I know that it has always been the Catholic line.

But now they are trying to make it the law of the land, with help from Evangelicals and the Republican Party.

[RKP5637]

3. Male castration works too!

[notinkansas]

4. I could get behind that if it were applied to just

forced birth male types.

[wnylib]

5. Tsk, tsk. Murdering sperm.

[ymetca]

6. "Every Sperm is Sacred"

a la Monty Python:

[RKP5637]

9. Yep, OMG, killed the sperm machine!!! That, would be a lot of death sentences for the male and

practitioner. I wonder, I guess masturbation could be punishable too!!! Think of all the sperm killed each day!!!

[blueinredohio]

7. Imo, they're going to force white girls to have as many babies

as they can. They're scared whites will be the minority.

[RKP5637]

10. Black babies will be illegal, no black people can have kids. Oh, what about Mexicans, will they

put them on a list too.

[sinkingfeeling]

8. Eliminate all sperm and no contraceptive will ever cause an abortion (which is total nonsense anyway

[deurbano]

21. Yeah, stop the "deaths" at the source! 50% of fertilized eggs (aka "babies") die before the

first period. Who is thinking about THOSE dead "children"?!! It's a massacre every damn day!!

[rurallib]

13. I suspect they will move fast while they have their dream Court

So I guess we will see anti-contraception bills moving through state legislatures pretty quickly.

I would bet they have already been written and approved.

[wnylib]

19. That will be a political mistake.

The majority of Americans want abortion to remain legal. An even greater majority would object to making contraception illegal.

[maxrandb]

29. I keep hearing that

and yet, people go into the ballot box and vote for fucksticks that want to outlaw it.

Same with the folks who will tell me to my face what a decent, generous, great friend and good father I am, but then go vote for Dipshits that want to deny my child a place in society, or deny her employment, or jail, or murder her because she married a girl.

[Lonestarblue]

14. I sent an email today to the head of the FDA asking for birth control pills to become OTC.

Birth control pills can be had without prescription in Oregon and California. Many other countries also allow birth control pills to sold over the counter. I suggested that there are no safety issues and only two possible objections: from religious extremists and from doctors who want to charge for an office call. With the religious extremists, there is also the harassment of unmarried women especially by pharmacists who refuse to fill a prescription because birth control violates their beliefs, thus forcing their beliefs on all women.

If you want to join me and demand that the FDA stop following religious beliefs and instead adhere to medical science, the director is Dr. Robert Califf, and his email is [e-mail].

Many women, and poor people, do not have a primary care physician or indeed access to affordable health insurance, and while they may not be able to afford a doctor’s office call, they might be able to afford an OTC drug to prevent pregnancy, especially since in many red states, real health clinics have been closed to be replaced by fake Christian groups that do nothing but lie about contraception and reproductive choices.

[wnylib]

20. Thanks for the information.

Your post would be a good OP to get more support.

[flying_wahini]

15. I don't give AF about where they wanna go,

They will have to drag women by the hair kicking and screaming all they way.

WE WILL NOT BACK.

[Racygrandma]

16. Thank you for posting this

These guys really think this. I think this information needs to be spread far and wide. I think there are a lot of people in the middle of this issue that we can reach. The people on the far right pro life movement are GONE! But there are people we can reach and need to do so!

[wnylib]

25. There are people in the middle who are not

strongly pro or anti choice on abortion, but who would very strongly object to eliminating birth control. We need to get ahead of the propaganda on messaging about this.

And we need to be factual or we will be discredited. It is true that IUDs do prevent fertilized eggs from implanting in the uterus. At that stage, it is not even an embryo. Only die hard ideologists would call that murdering an unborn child. It is not terminating a pregnancy. Pregnancy begins with implantation of the zygote on the uterine wall.

In fact, I think we need to spread outer own factual information about how birth control works so that people have facts instead of manipulative "information" spread by opponents of birth control and abortion.

[uponit7771]

22. +1,

[maxsolomon]

23. They mean Abortifacients, like Plan B.

They can't/won't be specific.

This is a theological argument. They believe life begins at conception - because that is when Jehovah, the God of Abraham, creates and inserts a soul in to the fertilized egg. Preventing implantation of that egg in the uterine wall is abortion.

That is a religious argument, not a scientific one.

[wnylib]

26. And we need to make that point

very loudly and clearly in order to undercut the attempt to ban contraception before it gets too much traction in the public mind.

The first amendment guarantees freedom of religion so nobody should be allowed to force their religious beliefs onto others as law that science does not support. Dismiss their arguments as a matter of belief, not fact.

But, actually, for people whose religion includes the Biblical book of Genesis, there is a religious argument that can be made for life beginning at birth, when a baby takes its first breath.

Genesis describes God creating Adam out of the same substances that the earth is made of, then breathing life into him. So life begins with the first breath. (I'm just illustrating a religious argument that can be made to people who object to abortion and contraception on religious grounds, not saying what I believe or what people should believe.)

[maxsolomon]

27. I've also learned that Muslims believe in Pre-Existence of Souls

Allah has like attic stock of souls ready to go, and then he puts them in fertilized eggs. That is heresy in Christianity.

The 1st breath definition won't work for Christians; there's already a soul in that unborn egg/zygote/fetus. Too late.

[wnylib]

28. That early soul belief is current among some Christians, but not all.

It is still possible to use the breath of life counter argument with those Christians who believe that a soul exists from the moment of conception. The "breath of God" infusion of life into humans could be argued as the moment of receiving a soul from God.

It will not work with some Christians who hold the belief of a soul from conception, but it will work with some, and with others, it will create some doubt and questioning of what they were taught.

But, is it worth investing energy into such an argument? Maybe. Making it a theological disagreement between different religious sects based on the Bible emphasizes the religious difference nature of anti abortion positions. The emphasis shifts then to religious sect differences instead of religion vs. science. It would make it possible for some people to reconcile being religious with being pro choice. Won't work with all people, but it would also add some freedom of religion legal arguments to pro choice rights by emphasizing that anti abortion beliefs impose some religious sects' views on other religious sects.

[Frances]

24. Barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchem

Is a woman’s place.
A boy actually told me this when we were teens in the late 1950s.