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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat is the deal with right-wingers and FEMA?
I get they are opposed to it because of "big gubmint" but it somehow seems to run deeper than that. Right wing crazies have been paranoid of specifially FEMA for ages. What is the story there, I just don't get it?
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)That's enough for any right winger to oppose any program.
Sedona
(3,769 posts)I won't link to the myriad loon web sites, Google is your friend if you really must.
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)It is a particulary weird type of conspiracy theory.
randr
(12,412 posts)that would do the job at half the cost.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)I remember listening to fringe RW radio in the early 90's. And to them, FEMA was ALWAYS on the verge of setting up concentration camps to imprison "Americans who dare to be free" (read: guns owners and fundies).
But now the fringe has gone mainstream, taking advantage of the information vacuum that is American media.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)You are right, I think we can trace most of the political insanity that is now passing for RW "mainstream" thought back to the propaganda of hate radio. I'm starting to think the very idea of "fringe" thinking has been used by RW propagandists in every way they can come up with from UFO's to non-mainstream spiritual thought right into FEMA camp paranoia; when you dig very deep into any fringe thought it seems there are a lot of extreme RW guys/ubber-traditionalists/religious extremists lurking around ready to promote their white male gun-slinging superiority. (Not all "outside the box" thinkers, but enough to make me nervous)
MineralMan
(146,313 posts)Misspelling deliberate.
Iterate
(3,020 posts)Plenty of the right wing beliefs and behaviors have their roots in slavery, but this one seems to be a bit more complex. My first suspicion would lead me to look at their own authoritarian impulse. After all, they're quick to identify with the nazis, and equally quick to accuse others (even Obama of all people) of being the same, all without barest knowledge of what actually happened in the 20th century.
Here's an Ngram of the frequency of use of the term from Google:
http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=FEMA%2Cdisaster+relief%2C+federal+relief&year_start=1900&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=
And this is from the Southern Poverty Law Center:
FEMA camp stories have been around a long time. Almost three decades ago, back in 1982, a newsletter of the extreme-right and anti-Semitic Posse Comitatus warned that hardcore Patriots would be imprisoned in FEMA detention camps. Some versions during the militia heyday of the 1990s had urban street gangs like the Bloods and the Crips, rather than domestic or foreign troops, rounding up antigovernment patriots.
Conspiracy theorists often point to a front-page story in The Miami Herald back in 1987 as proof that, in the words of one of them, FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The story reported that between 1982 and 1984, Marine Lt. Col. Oliver North had helped draft a secret contingency plan to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread domestic dissent, or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad. North would later become infamous for his part in the Iran-Contra affair, in which weapons were sold to intermediaries in Iran with the proceeds used to fund antigovernment contra rebels in Nicaragua.
The plan was written for President Ronald Reagan in case he ever wanted to take such action. The newspaper also obtained a copy of a FEMA officials 1982 memo that it reported was similar to a paper then-FEMA director Louis Guiffrida had written 12 years earlier. In the 1970 document, Guiffrida reportedly advocated martial law in case of a national uprising by black militants and the transferring of at least 21 million American Negroes to assembly centers or relocations camps.
During the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987, Texas congressman Jack Brooks asked North about the newspapers findings. But Sen. Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, who chaired the Senate Select Committee on Iran-Contra, rapidly silenced him, telling the Democratic congressman he was getting into a highly sensitive and classified area. That was further proof of their claims, conspiracy buffs contend.
But FEMA and its alleged plans for freedom-loving Americans are not the only government conspiracies that so-called Patriots and their fellow travelers love to hate. In a related vein, they also point to numerous presidential executive orders that they claim will allow the suspension of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Executive Order Angst
Executive orders are nothing new. Presidents have issued them for more than 200 years, usually to direct federal agencies and officials in carrying out established laws or policies. Some have been momentous: Truman signed one that integrated the armed forces. Reagan issued one barring the use of federal money for advocating abortion. FEMA camp aficionados point to another executive order: One signed by Franklin D. Roosevelt that led to Japanese Americans on the West Coast being sent to internment camps for the remainder of World War II. Congress can overturn an executive order, although it requires a supermajority vote to do so. A president can sign an executive order rescinding an executive order of his predecessor. And the courts can overturn an executive order, although they have done so only twice.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/spring/fear-of-fema
reformist2
(9,841 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:45 PM - Edit history (1)
I have a friend who is a DAE (Disaster Assistance Employees, now called "reservists" with FEMA, which means she is one of those who are on call and leave at the drop of a hat for whatever emergency assignment is given.
It's a really rough job, as we can only imagine.
I'm researching things right now because I want to understand what may have changed under Obama.
I know there has been some sort of restructuring -- with DAE's having to reapply to be in the Reservist Program -- and my FEMA friend is NOT happy and regularly (though tactfully) disses Obama because of it.
Reservist employees receive little or no benefits, which seems crazy to me.
Edit to add: I created an OP in GD about this, with a petition, after researching it further:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021669323
https://www.change.org/petitions/president-obama-fema-disaster-assistance-employees-reservists-deserve-federal-health-benefits
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)FEMA is part of the big, evul gubbmint. That means that our tax dollars will more likely go to actually helping people, rather than into corporate profits. It's all about lining one's one pockets with that crowd.